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I was wondering if you could lose a title if you didn't hold the neccesary counties.

France exploded in civil war, and now the King of France still exists with only 1 province.
Why isn't he reduced to a count ?
 

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I was wondering if you could lose a title if you didn't hold the neccesary counties.

France exploded in civil war, and now the King of France still exists with only 1 province.
Why isn't he reduced to a count ?

No you don't automatically lose your titles if you lose the land. You can only lose titles in peace-talks.

What the counts/dukes can do is usurp your title if they have the required land, which just gives them a cheap claim on the title. They still need to back up that claim with force though.
 

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Okay, is there a way to 'make' them lose their title of King of France ?

Also, how do I edit the name of my character ?

Both things can be done in save game file I believe :)

Since I have never fiddled around with title changes much, I can't say that this would work 100%:

Code:
title = { 
    tag = FRAN 
    tier = kingdom 
    liege = ---- 
    holder = { character = { type = 4712 id = 314672 } startdate = { year = 1139 month = july day = 25 } } 
    claim = { id = { type = 4712 id = 163957 } character = { type = 4712 id = 265289 } date = { year = 1090 month = july day = 1 } } 
    claim = { id = { type = 4712 id = 274166 } character = { type = 4712 id = 203879 } date = { year = 1108 month = march day = 18 } } 
    claim = { id = { type = 4712 id = 274167 } character = { type = 4712 id = 212328 } date = { year = 1108 month = march day = 18 } } 
    claim = { id = { type = 4712 id = 301666 } character = { type = 4712 id = 142119 } date = { year = 1112 month = february day = 1 } } 
    claim = { id = { type = 4712 id = 413149 } character = { type = 4712 id = 107338 } date = { year = 1129 month = january day = 5 } } 
    claim = { id = { type = 4712 id = 492812 } character = { type = 4712 id = 472164 } date = { year = 1139 month = july day = 25 } } 
    claim = { id = { type = 4712 id = 492813 } character = { type = 4712 id = 456553 } date = { year = 1139 month = july day = 25 } } 
    claim = { id = { type = 4712 id = 492814 } character = { type = 4712 id = 332283 } date = { year = 1139 month = july day = 25 } } 
    claim = { id = { type = 4712 id = 492815 } character = { type = 4712 id = 482132 } date = { year = 1139 month = july day = 25 } } 
    }

If you remove the Holder-line, I think the title will be free to be created by anyone else.

Problem is, that I am not sure what happens to all the vassals (if any) of France once you do this.

As for the name, you need to find your character first.

If it is your current ruler, open the save game file:

Search for your TAG at the top. If you don't know what the TAG of your realm is, you can find it at the very top of the file:

Code:
name = "Hastings (1066)" header = { 
    name = "NAME_1066" 
    tutorial = no 
    startyear = 1066 
    endyear = 1452 
   [COLOR="Yellow"] saved = ARAG[/COLOR] 
    optionmode = 0 
    set_ai_aggresive = 0 
    set_difficulty = 2 
    set_gamespeed = 3 
    optionfile = "scenarios\save games\Kingdom of Aragon_1139Last.eug.cfg" 
    id = { type = 4712 id = 493838 }


F.x. in my game as Aragon, I look for ARAG (use CTRL+F in NotePad) ... remember to set 'Match Case'. The first long list of TAGs are the current playable realms. Find ARAG there, and you will see the DNA of the current ruler.

Code:
    ARAG = { 
        gender = male 
        type = kingdom 
        [COLOR="Yellow"]dna = "89246234084171"[/COLOR] 
        title = { ARAG CAST CORD VALE DCAS TOLE C172 C177 C178 C181 C184 C196 C197 C204 C173 } 
        }

If you then search for the DNA, you will find the character information, where you can change his first name.

Code:
character = { 
    id = { type = 4712 id = 245825 } 
    dyn = 394 
    tag = ARAG 
    name = "Jaume" 
    home = 201 
    status = yes 
    date = "11030410" 
    gender = male 
    religion = catholic 
    culture = "catalan" 
    score = { gold = 9020.786 prestige = 2119.473 piety = 844.418 } 
    attributes = "10.7.12.10.1.8.470794768" 
    traits = { 
        chaste = yes 
        just = yes 
        modest = yes 
        zealous = yes 
        trusting = yes 
        coward = yes 
        fortune_builder = yes 
        crusader = yes 
        stubborn = yes 
        romantic = yes 
        } 
    father = { type = 4712 id = 84013 } 
    mother = { type = 4712 id = 102121 } 
    loyalty = 1.000 
    [COLOR="Yellow"]dna = "89246234084171" [/COLOR]
    }

If it is the name of a courtier you wish to change, you will need to search through all the characters with 'tag = ARAG' until you find the one you wish to rename/change.
 
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I was wondering if you could lose a title if you didn't hold the neccesary counties.

France exploded in civil war, and now the King of France still exists with only 1 province.
Why isn't he reduced to a count ?

Keeping titles is not dependent on land. In a historical sense, it depends far more upon one's family than what one actually controls. Legitimacy counts for more than might makes right.

There are historical examples of men retaining titles long after they had effectivly lost them. In the last CK senerio the King of Naples is also the King of Jeruselem, despite not owning any land anywhere near the Holy City. And the Kings of England/Great Britain called themselves the Kings of France until 1801
 

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Okay, is there a way to 'make' them lose their title of King of France ?
It should be amazingly cheap to claim. King and Duke-title prestige costs are based on the total number of titles in a realm. If he's really just one County, with one King-title, no Duke-titles, and no vassals, his realm only has two titles. That's 250 prestige on Normal.

If you want to be King of France act fast. Even if the AI doesn't beat you to the punch it's entirely possible the next King of France to re-vassalize the entire country.

The situation is not ahistorical. The HRE retained the titles King of Germany, Burgundy, and Italy throughout this period, but by 1453 had no power in the latter two. And very little power in Germany. Many other Kings pissed off their vassals, who then refused to pay taxes or fight for the King. In CK terms those vassals were independent.

Heck in some places it was pretty much tradition that when the old King died the country fell apart, and only came back together after the new King proved himself.

Nick