Question about Surfing in USA

[Lykus Cerebros]

i am currently in a quick run trying to get the surfing in USA achievement (Form USA starting as Hawaii). I have some questions and I hope someone can help me.

1. I moved my capital to San Francisco and am on the gulf of Mexico planning on jumping from.there to the East Coast. Can I then move my capital directly to the east coast or do I need a continuous line?

2. Form the Wiki IT seems I only need my capital there (and be independent). That seems really easy is there anything I am missing ?

3. Can I form California in between our does that block me form forming USA?

3.a. if I form California it says I loose land outside of California. As I have never done that I am not sure what will happen. Am i going to loose all Mexican land and Hawaii if I form California?

 

[Nostalgium]

1: I'm pretty sure you can just move it directly, but not 100% sure., so don't quote me on that. Best advice I can give is to get the territory first, and if you need contingent territory, conquer it after.

2: You also need admin tech 10, but yes, it's not a hard formable so long as you can easily move your capital to NA - which Hawaii can.

3: From what I can see in the formation requirements, California can indeed form the US. It seems like all the formables which are today states in the US (Cali, , Florida, Vermont, Illonois, Alaska, Lousianna and Texas) can form it, while other colonial states (Canada, Mexico etc.) cannot, so you should be safe forming California.

3a: AFAIK, you lose land outside colonial regions - or, on the continent which they are, though I'm unsure on that point.

EDIT: Corrected the safe formable from Canada > California.

 

[Lykus Cerebros]

1: I'm pretty sure you can just move it directly, but not 100% sure., so don't quote me on that. Best advice I can give is to get the territory first, and if you need contingent territory, conquer it after.

2: You also need admin tech 10, but yes, it's not a hard formable so long as you can easily move your capital to NA - which Hawaii can.

3: From what I can see in the formation requirements, California can indeed form the US. It seems like all the formables which are today states in the US (Cali, , Florida, Vermont, Illonois, Alaska, Lousianna and Texas) can form it, while other colonial states (Canada, Mexico etc.) cannot, so you should be safe forming Canada.

3a: AFAIK, you lose land outside colonial regions - or, on the continent which they are, though I'm unsure on that point.

Thanks!

I don't think I will try to form California. Can't risk loosing all those juicy Mexican goldmines xD

 

[bokorthedust]

Thanks!

I don't think I will try to form California. Can't risk loosing all those juicy Mexican goldmines xD

You shouldn't lose anything in the New World. I did a couple custom nation achievements starting in Miami and I formed the USA just for the permaclaims on the East Coast, but I didn't lose any Mexican or even South American land I held at that point. California should be the same in my opinion.

 

[Nostalgium]

Thanks!

I don't think I will try to form California. Can't risk loosing all those juicy Mexican goldmines xD

You shouldn't lose anything in the New World. I did a couple custom nation achievements starting in Miami and I formed the USA just for the permaclaims on the East Coast, but I didn't lose any Mexican or even South American land I held at that point. California should be the same in my opinion.

An easy way to test it should be creating a custom nation with enough land to form Cali, and console tech to Adm. 10 and annex some Mexican land. Form Cali, and see if you lose the Mexican turf. If you don't, it's safe to do it in your Ironman save too.

 

[Atlanteax]

Or just create a backup save of your Ironman, try the decision, and if it does not work as intended, resume playing from the backup save

 

[Nostalgium]

. . .

Or that, yeah.

 

[LukasYork]

okay so I ran a quick test and results are as follows:

Upon forming any colonial nation you lose all provinces in Europe, Asia and Africa
You keep all provinces in the Americas, Australia and Oceania

This means you will keep Hawaii but if you for example colonized Siberia or Indonesia these provinces will be lost


Every province you lose in that way stays with your previous tag - if you form California as Hawaii while holding land in Asia you will become California and land in Asia will stay as Hawaii

 

[Lykus Cerebros]

okay so I ran a quick test and results are as follows:

Upon forming any colonial nation you lose all provinces in Europe, Asia and Africa
You keep all provinces in the Americas, Australia and Oceania

This means you will keep Hawaii but if you for example colonized Siberia or Indonesia these provinces will be lost


Every province you lose in that way stays with your previous tag - if you form California as Hawaii while holding land in Asia you will become California and land in Asia will stay as Hawaii

Thanks that's really nice!
Great then I can actually form them once I hit admin 10

 

[ianchen12345]

Hi all, first of all thanks for Lykus Cerebros for suggesting the achievement. I dont wanna start a new thread because this is related to this thread. But can I start as Quizquiz > culture switch to Pueblo > get achievement > culture switch to Hawaii > form Hawaii > form USA > get Anjou? so I get 3 achievements in 1 go?

 

[LukasYork]

Hi all, first of all thanks for Lykus Cerebros for suggesting the achievement. I dont wanna start a new thread because this is related to this thread. But can I start as Quizquiz > culture switch to Pueblo > get achievement > culture switch to Hawaii > form Hawaii > form USA > get Anjou? so I get 3 achievements in 1 go?

Unfortunately no, you need to start as one of the 4 Hawaiian nations to get Surfin USA achievement

 

[cuendillar]

Hi all, first of all thanks for Lykus Cerebros for suggesting the achievement. I dont wanna start a new thread because this is related to this thread. But can I start as Quizquiz > culture switch to Pueblo > get achievement > culture switch to Hawaii > form Hawaii > form USA > get Anjou? so I get 3 achievements in 1 go?

In addition to what LukasYork wrote, you also have to start with a Pueblo-cultured nation to get that achievement so neither is possible to combine with the others. Amusingly, however, you could actually get Napoleon's ambition by forming France no matter your starting country (unlike all other France achievements, go figure) and taking Anjou most likely requires breaking them anyway.