Question about Rommel

[goliard20]

Its a short question about something that was nearly impossible in Hoi2 and Hoi3.
Can we send our dessert fox to lybia???
In the early games it was pretty hard to get transporters into the mediteranian sea with a closed Gibraltar. Also we could never use italian ships for it. In mods there were events that give germany a transport fleet in italy, but not in the original game. So how does it work with the actual system?

 

[GsusNSV]

Actually that is a very good question.
Transports will be done by your convoys, who are off map. So we don't really know, where they are at a given time. If you order troops to move by ship, the automatically take some of your convoys and ship themself to the destination.
But if they can magically move through the blocked Gibralta is questionable. Could led to gamey situations, where Italy has no convoys left (sunk, while shipping supply to North Africa) and Germany is still moving its troops around, as it pleased.

Also maybe change the titel, as it is not primarely about Rommel, but troop transport in 'blocked' areas.

 

[scroggin]

As I understand it the convoys will be auto assigned to an invasion or transport to port. regardless of the straits of gibraltar being closed. However you do need control of the sea zones to carry out an invasion so you either need warships in the med or maybe naval bombers to control the sea zones. Im not sure how effective naval bombers will be at giving control of sea zones. I dont know if naval bombers give control of a sea zone directly or just help get rid of enemy ships so your ships can take control

 

[Secret Master]

Shouldn't Rommel be busy doing something else? Like leading Sea Lion or a 1940 Barbarossa?

 

[potski]

As I understand it the convoys will be auto assigned to an invasion or transport to port. regardless of the straits of gibraltar being closed. However you do need control of the sea zones to carry out an invasion so you either need warships in the med or maybe naval bombers to control the sea zones. Im not sure how effective naval bombers will be at giving control of sea zones. I dont know if naval bombers give control of a sea zone directly or just help get rid of enemy ships so your ships can take control

There was no invasion of Libya by the DAK. Italy still controlled the western part when they arrived, and specifically the port at Tripoli. The DAK can be moved by normal overseas transportation, which does not require any naval superiority. Though you would be foolish to send unescorted transports through naval regions controlled by your enemy.

 

[scroggin]

There was no invasion of Libya by the DAK. Italy still controlled the western part when they arrived, and specifically the port at Tripoli. The DAK can be moved by normal overseas transportation, which does not require any naval superiority. Though you would be foolish to send unescorted transports through naval regions controlled by your enemy.

Yes but the mechanism to transport between ports works in a similar way and has similar requirements for control of sea zones

 

[paranoidsteve]

Naples to Tripoli takes less then 24 hours by ship, and control of 1 sea zone should be possible by even the Italians.

 

[Sotahullu]

Naples to Tripoli takes less then 24 hours by ship, and control of 1 sea zone should be possible by even the Italians.

Easily. Italian navy was the 4th largest navy in the world.

 

[Katarian]

Yes but the mechanism to transport between ports works in a similar way and has similar requirements for control of sea zones

podcat answered in another thread here that 'normal' transportation of troops between friendly ports has no requirements.

 

[Victor Cortez]

There was no invasion of Libya by the DAK. Italy still controlled the western part when they arrived, and specifically the port at Tripoli. The DAK can be moved by normal overseas transportation, which does not require any naval superiority. Though you would be foolish to send unescorted transports through naval regions controlled by your enemy.

This.
You should be able to move from Sicily to Africa, especially if Italy is still in control of the coast, regardless of convoys (well, as long as you have some).
The problem is the Royal Navy. You probably won't be able to get your ships there and relying on the Italians to secure the sea is some wishful thinking.
If the UK has built some radar in Malta and have some airforce there, then you need to be careful.

 

[goliard20]

the german africa war was nearly impossible to do in the original time cause of the lack of transporters. I really hope its possible now, maybe some dev can clear it up.

 

[Rubwen]

you can send him and the DAK as expeditionary forces and let italy do the transport.

 

[potski]

Easily. Italian navy was the 4th largest navy in the world.

To control a naval region you have to come out of your base

The area is more likely contested, than controlled by either side. There would be Italian subs and Italian and German planes, up against the UK Mediterranean Fleet in Alexandria and Gibraltar, and some UK planes in Malta.

But as @paranoidsteve says the distance is short. So it should be possible to make a dash across, it was IRL in 1941-42. I don't remember any troop ships being sunk.

But IRL by 1943 UK was sinking over 80% of the supply convoys from intelligence gained by Enigma. That's the time to worry, if Malta has good radar and UK has researched ahead on decryption. Then there should be high attrition loss of convoys, including those carrying reinforcements.

 

[potski]

the german africa war was nearly impossible to do in the original time cause of the lack of transporters. I really hope its possible now, maybe some dev can clear it up.

I assume you mean impossible in the earlier versions of the game. There are no transport ships any more, as a specific unit that you move on the map, and that could therefore be blocked from moving through Gibraltar to reach Italy once war starts. This is gone. You use the pool of convoy ships to move your troops, carry supplies to troops and move resources.

 

[AOW]

I wonder if you could just assign him to an airborne division and avoid the whole naval superiority issue altogether. I could see Rommel jumping out of a transport plane. Of course giving him some German armored units to play with would be subject to the naval concerns already mentioned.

 

[Opanashc]

What religion prevents players from pre-positioning German transports in allied territory (Italy) pre-war, and using them to transport Afrika Corps after hostilities began, in HoI3?

 

[wright1331]

the german africa war was nearly impossible to do in the original time cause of the lack of transporters. I really hope its possible now, maybe some dev can clear it up.

It was extremely easy to do. You just had to send transports to Italian ports, anytime after you ally them and before you go to war with the allies. This gives you close to a year to do it.


and then i see the post above me, lol... emu'd

 

[Sotahullu]

To control a naval region you have to come out of your base

Same thing for Brits. But instead Italians disabled they're battleships at they're harbor with men in frog suits and not by sneaky air attack with obsolete aircraft. And those 2 battleships were in the harbor because Brits were afraid losing them after losing carrier to Italian air attack in Malta resupply mission. And several other smaller vessels by Italian cruisers and destroyers.

Don't mock Italian as it will bite back

 

[Opanashc]

Don't mock Italian as it will bite back

Too bad that your bark is worse then your bite.

 

[goliard20]

It was extremely easy to do. You just had to send transports to Italian ports, anytime after you ally them and before you go to war with the allies. This gives you close to a year to do it.


and then i see the post above me, lol... emu'd

Yea i did it with having transporters in stockpile and set them in the conquered yugoslavian harbours, but this is just a runarround and is pretty stupid, cause when you forget to do things like this you have to load a year old save (when you have one)