Question about Japan and the Pacific theater?

[alex 9344]

So first of all I'm surprised paradox is even acknowledging Japan's use of kamikaze attacks and that it will be an option for us to use
I say good job paradox in not shying away from that part of the war

Now my main question will island's be multiple sections or just one?
How hard Will they be to take?
Can we put concealed bunkers ect on them to give troops a defense bonus?

Or just have Japan have a natural defensive bonus when on island's?

I hope we can make them super hard to take just like in the actual war
I really want to make the allies work to take over the island chains I don't want them over quickly

if I remember right Okinawa took 2 months

Hell the entire Pacific was a freaking slog fest for America

so I really hope we can replicate that

 

[Mac Lazer]

For the most part, small islands in the Pacific will be just 1 province. Some islands that are a bit larger may be 2 or 3, but I woulent expect to see any islands of that size in the Pacific theatre. And you can also put forts on islands, probably.
As for how hard the islands are to take, there are a few different factors. The fact that its an amphibious landing will certainly cause a negative modifier to the attacker, and so could things like weather. Ultimately, though, it really depends on what you do to defend them, or what the AI does to defend them, such as stationing more troops or building forts.

 

[alex 9344]

For the most part, small islands in the Pacific will be just 1 province. Some islands that are a bit larger may be 2 or 3, but I woulent expect to see any islands of that size in the Pacific theatre. And you can also put forts on islands, probably.
As for how hard the islands are to take, there are a few different factors. The fact that its an amphibious landing will certainly cause a negative modifier to the attacker, and so could things like weather. Ultimately, though, it really depends on what you do to defend them, or what the AI does to defend them, such as stationing more troops or building forts.

Hey thanks well guess I'll have to stack troops then I also like the fact Japanese troops get a moral bonus and a resistance to bombing

 

[Number 7]

i would imagine if you garrisoned okinawa as heavily as the japanese did, it would take the allies quite a while to crack your island in hearts of iron 4 too. If i am reading my facts correctly there was some 77,000 troops on okinawa. or as many as eight full hearts of iron 3 divisions essentially.

the morale bonus will also probably mean your units will fight on for longer without shattering. i'm not 100% on what morale does exactly as opposed to ORG.

 

[Axe99]

i would imagine if you garrisoned okinawa as heavily as the japanese did, it would take the allies quite a while to crack your island in hearts of iron 4 too. If i am reading my facts correctly there was some 77,000 troops on okinawa. or as many as eight full hearts of iron 3 divisions essentially.

the morale bonus will also probably mean your units will fight on for longer without shattering. i'm not 100% on what morale does exactly as opposed to ORG.

Keep in mind that a HoI division only includes (by and large) combat personnel, so of the 77K, you might find 'only' 50K are fighting troops, or five HoI divisions. It'd still be a monster garrison for an island though, and I could imagine would take a fair bit of work to beat .

 

[alex 9344]

Keep in mind that a HoI division only includes (by and large) combat personnel, so of the 77K, you might find 'only' 50K are fighting troops, or five HoI divisions. It'd still be a monster garrison for an island though, and I could imagine would take a fair bit of work to beat .

We'll I doubt I be able to beat America as Japan in single player so I'm going to give em a bloody mouth and nose if they want to beat me and they'll have to go with operation downfall this time!

As for multiplayer I may team up with fascist America and take out Britain

Team up with Britain and rule Asia and Europe
Or just say. Fucka youuu ww2 history and make my own faction

 

[CharlieFox]

the morale bonus will also probably mean your units will fight on for longer without shattering. i'm not 100% on what morale does exactly as opposed to ORG.

In Hoi3 organization determined how long a unit could fight (basically like "morale" in EUIV or CKII) and morale determined the rate of Org regain outside combat. If it is the same in HoiIV this will not help Japan defend its islands better

Edit: Perhaps a more realistic bonus for Japan would have been to allow units that cannot retreat (like islands garrisons ) to fight to the last man instead of surrendering in mass when they run out of org

 

[Number 7]

In Hoi3 organization determined how long a unit could fight (basically like "morale" in EUIV or CKII) and morale determined the rate of Org regain outside combat. If it is the same in HoiIV this will not help Japan defend its islands better

Edit: Perhaps a more realistic bonus for Japan would have been to allow units that cannot retreat (like islands garrisons ) to fight to the last man instead of surrendering in mass when they run out of org

that would be quite a nice bonus, very fitting for the pacific theatre japanese garrisons too

 

[FarEast]

In the Pacific theater we have to remember thing, supply. If supply line would cut off, earch island's troops will be ruin. Then large troops will not be necessarily good.

 

[Daddl]

Coastal forts are your friend if you want to play like that. If you maxed out a coastal fort in HoI3, that was like attacking the Maginot line over the Rhine, or maybe even worse. No chance without massive bomber support, and even then it takes weeks.

Even without coastal forts, a full garrison (3x4) was enough to withstand an assault long enough to gather your fleet, move it through half of the Pacific and sink the attackers, whether you are USA or Japan, as the AI never was very good with its fleets. The introduction of air and sea zones might change this completely however, so lets wait for the DD on amphibious assaults on Friday

 

[Number 7]

i wonder how "search and destroy" works when they are preforming an amphibious invasion. does your fleet immediately know where they are and beeline for them or do they actually have to go through the process of searching for the enemy fleet

does knowing where they are mean they come in a fairly tight formation compared to normal search and destroy? (which is already far tighter than say, patrol)

 

[Axe99]

In the Pacific theater we have to remember thing, supply. If supply line would cut off, earch island's troops will be ruin. Then large troops will not be necessarily good.

If the Island is a victory point, there'll be at least some supply (and somewhere like Okinawa or Guadalcanal might qualify - we'll find out in due course), so depending in the size of the garrison (where, for supply, smaller is better), it may not actually be possible to completely starve them a la HoI3.

 

[FarEast]

If the Island is a victory point, there'll be at least some supply (and somewhere like Okinawa or Guadalcanal might qualify - we'll find out in due course), so depending in the size of the garrison (where, for supply, smaller is better), it may not actually be possible to completely starve them a la HoI3.

Of course, Islands are importtamt. That is the reason why some air-wings couldk be in there and attack to enemy fleets. So In pacific theater we will protect for the supply line.

 

[CrasherZZ]

In Hoi3 organization determined how long a unit could fight (basically like "morale" in EUIV or CKII) and morale determined the rate of Org regain outside combat. If it is the same in HoiIV this will not help Japan defend its islands better

Edit: Perhaps a more realistic bonus for Japan would have been to allow units that cannot retreat (like islands garrisons ) to fight to the last man instead of surrendering in mass when they run out of org

I'm in agreement on that bonus. In Total War, a unit that was completely surrounded or trapped would get a morale boost and fight to the death. So it gave the attacker an interesting choice - should I let them have an escape route so that they will run and I have to chase them or should I trap them and wipe them out even though it means that they will fight harder and cause more casualties.

Given the chance, the IJA would evacuate or retreat from hopeless positions such as Guadalcanal and Burma. When retreat was not an option then Tarawa, Peleliu, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa fights to the deaths resulted.

 

[Invictus5966]

Keep in mind that a HoI division only includes (by and large) combat personnel, so of the 77K, you might find 'only' 50K are fighting troops, or five HoI divisions. It'd still be a monster garrison for an island though, and I could imagine would take a fair bit of work to beat .

if it can be supplied. Supply Issues will need to be watched from watching the problems they had in the WWW