Question about empires across similar nationalities

[Adonnus]

Say I was, as Columbia, to annex Venezuela, would this be giving me a much larger % of Venezuela's IC and manpower and other things than if for example Japan were to annex Australia? Same with Sweden - Norway etc. I think that nations which have similar nationalities/cultures should give bigger benefits to the annexing nation than if the annexed nations are very different.

This is pretty important in my view especially if you are trying to create a larger "national base" by expanding your borders. Besides being sensible in itself I would say that I hope this is included for no other reason than it'll be hard for smaller nations - South American, for example, or Scandinavian, to get anywhere unless they can fully utilise the power of other nations as well.

 

[neusaap]

I think that once you annex a nation, you'll get all the manpower and IC, and that those limitations are for occupying (which isn't the case anymore after you demanded the whole country in a peace conference), but I'm not sure....

 

[aruon]

i'd like to see this. it could even be useful to the main point of the leadup to WWII (less world tension) with the annexation of other country's ethnic majority areas like austria, the sudetenland, danzig, transylvania, etc. or a small exploit to allow for more wackiness (like the aforementioned colombia > venezuela) in ahistorical mode.

 

[LordOfWar16]

Once you annex a country you get all its benefits anyway and it will effectively be your own land. Occupation is what limits the amount of resources, manpower and factories you get from an occupied nation, depending on your occupation policies.

 

[Vidkjaer]

Once you annex a country you get all its benefits anyway and it will effectively be your own land. Occupation is what limits the amount of resources, manpower and factories you get from an occupied nation, depending on your occupation policies.

Unless you dont have cores on the annexed land. HOI3 had a 50% penalty to annexed none core provinces.

 

[LordOfWar16]

@Vidkjaer I guess that would be an perfect quetion for todays World War Wednesday then.

 

[Adonnus]

I think that once you annex a nation, you'll get all the manpower and IC, and that those limitations are for occupying (which isn't the case anymore after you demanded the whole country in a peace conference), but I'm not sure....

In that case, the occupation should give better (not by a huge margin, but significant) effects for regions of the same culture and language group. It makes sense, no?

 

[Victor Cortez]

I think it makes sense.

 

[theJ]

I dunno guys... would YOU refrain from resisting foreign occupation just cuz' the invading asshats happen to be your neighbour...?
..'cuz I'm pretty sure I wouldn't.

 

[Victor Cortez]

I dunno guys... would YOU refrain from resisting foreign occupation just cuz' the invading asshats happen to be your neighbour...?
..'cuz I'm pretty sure I wouldn't.

I don't know what I would personally do, but a whole country, a whole system, would probably adapt better to an invasion from a similar culture.
I think that if Canada were invaded by the US, most Canadian workers would find it easier to adapt to American bosses rather than, say, Chinese.

 

[Adonnus]

I dunno guys... would YOU refrain from resisting foreign occupation just cuz' the invading asshats happen to be your neighbour...?
..'cuz I'm pretty sure I wouldn't.

I'm not saying they wouldn't resist at all, they certainly would, I'm saying, if New Zealand and China invaded us here in Australia tomorrow I'm pretty sure who I and most people would be happier with. As goes for the rest of the world, WW2 included. It's not about total absence of resistance, it's about the degree to which a population would be motivated to resist.

Added to this, propaganda would be easier, much easier, to use by an occupying nation if the conquered could be called "their brothers".

-If there are language and cultural similarities it should be easier to find foreign recruits and assimilate them into your empire/national sphere or whatever.
-Foreign workers in their factories owned by you would not produce so much less as otherwise.
-There would be a lower motivation for sabotage and other acts of resistance.

Another thought: nations which have similar ideologies should also have an easier time occupying one another, since the population of that nation are used to/agree with the ideology more. The differences in real life were clear enough, Germany had a very easy time in nations like Denmark and Norway, and a very tough time in Belorussia and Ukraine. Of course the old Weimar system which Germans still remembered was a lot closer to Denmark etc than the total destruction of the old society that communist nations veered further towards.

Cultural differences are perhaps even sharper. The partisan war in Yugoslavia and the USSR was many times more brutal than in Western Europe, where they shared common Christian faiths, not Orthodox, the same alphabet and generally closer cultural heritages, all making the occupiers seem a little less "alien".

 

[Vidkjaer]

I'm not saying they wouldn't resist at all, they certainly would, I'm saying, if New Zealand and China invaded us here in Australia tomorrow I'm pretty sure who I and most people would be happier with. As goes for the rest of the world, WW2 included. It's not about total absence of resistance, it's about the degree to which a population would be motivated to resist.

Added to this, propaganda would be easier, much easier, to use by an occupying nation if the conquered could be called "their brothers".

-If there are language and cultural similarities it should be easier to find foreign recruits and assimilate them into your empire/national sphere or whatever.
-Foreign workers in their factories owned by you would not produce so much less as otherwise.
-There would be a lower motivation for sabotage and other acts of resistance.

Another thought: nations which have similar ideologies should also have an easier time occupying one another, since the population of that nation are used to/agree with the ideology more. The differences in real life were clear enough, Germany had a very easy time in nations like Denmark and Norway, and a very tough time in Belorussia and Ukraine. Of course the old Weimar system which Germans still remembered was a lot closer to Denmark etc than the

Cultural differences are perhaps even sharper. The partisan war in Yugoslavia and the USSR was many times more brutal than in Western Europe, where they shared common Christian faiths, not Orthodox, the same alphabet and generally closer cultural heritages, all making the occupiers seem a little less "alien".

Germany had a collaboration policy in Denmark and Norway. That meant that the resistance was not so harsch. In Ukraine the policy was quite of another character (which not is to be discussed by forum rules) and therefor the resistance was greater. Just like the occupation laws you can set in HOI4.

 

[Adonnus]

Germany had a collaboration policy in Denmark and Norway. That meant that the resistance was not so harsch. In Ukraine the policy was quite of another character (which not is to be discussed by forum rules) and therefor the resistance was greater. Just like the occupation laws you can set in HOI4.

It's no doubt occupation policy was one major factor, but it may not have been the only one. I would say the resistance in France was greater for example than in Denmark or the Netherlands, though I could be wrong.

In a way, though, Ukraine was "used" to totalitarianism in a way that democratic countries were not, and I suspect that had they not been not so many would have joined the Axis as did.

 

[theJ]

I don't know what I would personally do, but a whole country, a whole system, would probably adapt better to an invasion from a similar culture.
I think that if Canada were invaded by the US, most Canadian workers would find it easier to adapt to American bosses rather than, say, Chinese.

True enough, although that only applies if/when the population as a whole is integrated enough for them to accept adapting the the invaders' ways, which is unlikely to happen in the short timespan that HoI covers - we're still stuck with "just" the initial invasion->occupation->exploitation phases, possibly edging in on the "repression" phase, but nowhere near the reconciliation, integration or assimilation phases, which is where political, cultural and philosophical similarities would be helpful.

Hence, such bonuses would make no sense in Hearts of Iron - or at least not til' we get a timeline extention mod or expansion.