Question about Bohemia/Czechoslovakia

[Athalcor]

At first I have to say that I am very intrigued by this game and I am very surprised that the game spans 50 years that you can play hour by hour.

When I saw the map of Bohemia, I was at first shocked by the system of provinces but then I realized that you divided the provs in the way that Moldau/Vltava river can be used as a defense. Good.

Anyway:
1. Will there be an option that Galicia joins Czechoslovakia after WW1 - Entente victory?
2. Will Nazi Germany be able to attack Poland/France without creating the Protectorate?
3. Could Czechoslovakia/Bohemia claim Lausitz/Silesia (Stalin even offered it to the CSSR after WW2)?
4. I assume that the Treaty of Munich, refused by Czechoslovakia could trigger earlier WW2, if Soviet Union and thus France backs Czechoslovakia?
5. What are the industrial benefits of gaining Sudetenland by Germany? In OTL, the weapons seized from the Czech fortresses made enough equipment to create another division.

 

[Akaki]

Why on earth would Galicia want to join Czechoslovakia? We're talking about poles and ukrainians here, no Czech or Slovak population there (excluding Cieszyn, but it was mostly polish anyway).

 

[Athalcor]

I have not stated it well - if Russia does not fell to communists and retains control over their parts of Poland, the Galicians (the people living in the Austro-Hungarian Galicia) would IMHO either create an independent state or they could through some sort of referendum (like the Carpathian Ruthenia did) decide to join Czechoslovakia and thus create some sort of 'big' federation. (if they do not get eaten by Mother Russia)

 

[littlekubo]

and what about Czechoslovak colonies? Island in Adriatic sea, Adriatic corridor, etc... Czechoslovak Togo, New Guinea, Togo or Brazil are very fantastic, but I love idea with Adriatic island, but now I cant remember what was his name...

 

[Amallric]

In fact the interwar will not be in the game.

 

[Athalcor]

and what about Czechoslovak colonies? Island in Adriatic sea, Adriatic corridor, etc... Czechoslovak Togo, New Guinea, Togo or Brazil are very fantastic, but I love idea with Adriatic island, but now I cant remember what was his name...

No need for ridiculing my ideas, please. What I presented is IMO a possible variant of the breakup of the A-H empire if Russian Empire does not fall into civil war, but what you wrote is just a load of nonsense.

 

[JRHINDO]

and what about Czechoslovak colonies? Island in Adriatic sea, Adriatic corridor, etc... Czechoslovak Togo, New Guinea, Togo or Brazil are very fantastic, but I love idea with Adriatic island, but now I cant remember what was his name...

Nice trolling.

 

[LodovicoAriosto]

It would be nice if there was a possibility of Galizien joining CZE.

But I am modest so I hope that at least surrender events of Austria-Hungary will work and lead to historically plausible outcome in case of Austrian defeat.

 

[Amallric]

4. I assume that the Treaty of Munich, refused by Czechoslovakia could trigger earlier WW2, if Soviet Union and thus France backs Czechoslovakia?

It didn't work that way.

 

[tuore]

It didn't work that way.

Fall Grün could have triggered the war, unless the Allies betrayed Czechoslovakia like they did at Munich.

 

[LodovicoAriosto]

SU was obliged to help CZE if France did, not the other way.

SU declared it was prepared to assist CZE against Germany even if France betrayed but Poland and Romania did not want to give military access to SU and UK pushed CZE not to ask for help from SU. So basically WWII did not start between Anschluss and Munich Agreement because UK wanted to feed German appetite with CZE, the Balkans and Ukraine and simultaneously push GER to destroy the achdevil SU which people around lady Astor feared so much.

I would like to see this chain of events better modelled in the game.

 

[Athalcor]

SU was obliged to help CZE if France did, not the other way.

SU declared it was prepared to assist CZE against Germany even if France betrayed but Poland and Romania did not want to give military access to SU and UK pushed CZE not to ask for help from SU. So basically WWII did not start between Anschluss and Munich Agreement because UK wanted to feed German appetite with CZE, the Balkans and Ukraine and simultaneously push GER to destroy the achdevil SU which people around lady Astor feared so much.

I would like to see this chain of events better modelled in the game.

I am quite bad at post-1900 history, I stopped reading the German history in 1848. But it would be interesting to see if the forces of SU managed to get to Czechoslovakia in time during the Czechoslovakian organized withdrawal to Slovakia.

 

[unmerged(75409)]

No need for ridiculing my ideas, please. What I presented is IMO a possible variant of the breakup of the A-H empire if Russian Empire does not fall into civil war, but what you wrote is just a load of nonsense.

Galicia would go to the czar. If there's no Czar any more, it'll go to Poland.

No way the Entente would hand out territory to some upstart little democracy when the Czar of m*****-f***ing Russia has a claim on it.

No Russian collapse = no Wilsonian peace. Britain, Russia and France will reshape the map of Europe 100% in the spirit of European imperialism. No room for funky little democracies unless (a) the French REALLY want it for strategic reasons (like Czechoslovakia), (b) the British think giving a small nation a country would be helpful in holding down other, bigger countries, or (c) the Czar gets to be monarch of the new country in personal union. The US will likely not get involved in this at all, and if they do, they will easily get sidelined and Wilson will have to be content with token concessions like plebiscites in various parts of Germany.

 

[Athalcor]

Galicia would go to the czar. If there's no Czar any more, it'll go to Poland.

No way the Entente would hand out territory to some upstart little democracy when the Czar of m*****-f***ing Russia has a claim on it.

No Russian collapse = no Wilsonian peace. Britain, Russia and France will reshape the map of Europe 100% in the spirit of European imperialism. No room for funky little democracies unless (a) the French REALLY want it for strategic reasons (like Czechoslovakia), (b) the British think giving a small nation a country would be helpful in holding down other, bigger countries, or (c) the Czar gets to be monarch of the new country in personal union. The US will likely not get involved in this at all, and if they do, they will easily get sidelined and Wilson will have to be content with token concessions like plebiscites in various parts of Germany.

Yes, the entire 'Czechoslovakia' could become a puppet in the Russian hands.
OTOH, the realistic demands of the Russian Empire should be Prussia, Silesia, German Poland, Galicia. But even if Russia survives 1917, it will still not be very stable so some sort of puppet nations could take place.

 

[Akaki]

Leviathan07 made a good point. If Russia remains in the Great War winning team, it'll unify Poland under the rule of Tsar. That means Galicia & Wielkopolska (Poznań). If Central Powers win, Galicia remains under the rule of Vienna, while Germany sets up an "independent" Poland minus it's northern and western parts, annexed by Germany. The only other option (excluding ASB cases) is rebirth of Poland, and in that case Galicia (at least Małopolska to be precise) joins Poland.

 

[It'satrap!]

Leviathan07 made a good point. If Russia remains in the Great War winning team, it'll unify Poland under the rule of Tsar. That means Galicia & Wielkopolska (Poznań). If Central Powers win, Galicia remains under the rule of Vienna, while Germany sets up an "independent" Poland minus it's northern and western parts, annexed by Germany. The only other option (excluding ASB cases) is rebirth of Poland, and in that case Galicia (at least Małopolska to be precise) joins Poland.

Ah good point. I wonder if Germany or Russia "win" WW1 they will have a decision or event which determines the issue of Polish independence.

It would be also interesting to have a dynamic treaty of Versailles, where negotiations are made between the winning powers. For instance how some of Wilson's 14 points were were allowed to occur in Eastern Europe, but no in the Middle East; war debts; territorial rewards etc.

 

[unmerged(227777)]

A pretty good treatment of a 1938-started war is Harry Turtledove's the War that Came Early.

Especially important is that the Wehrmacht was planning a coup d'etat in the case of a Sudeten war (led by Franz Halder, Ludwig Beck, etc.) in the belief that such a war would be suicidal for Germany. They were supported by Nationalist China in the goal of restoring the traditional Sino-German pact (though I do not think this support was very significant.) The plans fell through as Hitler was vindicated by Munich, and the Prussian military commanders were very much in favor of a war with Poland to regain the 'lost' eastern territories. Such a coup would not necessarily succeed, but at the very least should cause considerable dissent and kill off military commanders.