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We should give France and Spain some really heavy edits to get them both in gear for nappy wars. I'd say we should let them both cash in their current treasuries for soldiers, ships, and give them both nice big infusions to top it off.
Nice session, but it seems that everybody wants to destroy Sweden economically, first Drake (I still don't know why - Drake didn't answer any time I asked 'why do you embargoing me' - we had TA and then out of nowhere - cancelled TA and embargo- i didn't have any French monopolies) and now Russia( price of war with Russia I suppose. Soon poor Sweden will be drown in debts.
But Sweden will Prevail!
But Sweden will Prevail!
HALNY (HAL) said:
We could solve the land thing by giving them both 1000 extra manpower, and that would probably be the better way to go, but we still ought to do something about their ships, or we'll be writing off a naval war altogether.
Not that it would make a huge difference with Nelson in town, unless I keep him tucked away for the wars. Not a terrible idea, just to make it interesting. Either way, doesn't matter. If we can just get a full crew, there's gonna be a lot of stuff happening in Europe.
Fun session guys, and a good war for Prussia although the constant manpower deficit limits the length of war.
I wouldnt't mind giving Spain and France a leg up for next session if it means a better round for them.
I wouldnt't mind giving Spain and France a leg up for next session if it means a better round for them.
King John said:
Cash for navy (full support?) should do the thing
EDIT: Martmol, please put up stats.
Varyar said:
Your war would end in 2 years if not Russia help
But yes, manpower is the main Prussia problem.
ObviouslyHALNY (HAL) said:Your war would end in 2 years if not Russia help
I do think I did rather good concerning the circumstances though.
You were ghosted for the entire session, and Spain was ghosted for the latter 2/3. Martmol's got the save
BurningEGO said:
Taken directly over from the 1545 save. Sweden was already building a FA and the other 2 refineries, which you said you built, were inherited from Denmark. So you wasted 0 money in manus on 1545-1572. Congrats on inaugurating buildings that you basically didnt pay for.
well ok i didn't pay it that session, i stil send a ton of gifts the week before
thus i did pay for atleast 1 of them and pretty sure the other was funded by me to but cba to go trough any more saves to proof that since i doubt ill find any as only host log is saved, but you know all about that don't you
constantly violating the hosts log to chek despite being told not to do it again
BurningEGO said:
ok so i payed arround 8000d total to ships and over 3500 or so to build the 3shipyards
now stop being a idiot and realize your wrong ego
11500 gold while my total census was at most arround 10k(without maintenance) so clearly some minting happend just for that already
BurningEGO said:
Again i was not ghosting,get your damn facts right for a change, you keep sayng i ghosted while i never left the screen and was working on sweden constantly
BurningEGO said:
if you chek the slider properly you notice i minted for a few years then deflated again then minted a bit again, so obviously i minted a bit to build that fleet ect and i barely minted for kj his loan wich also shows
now stop pulling numbers out of your ass and shut the hell up about this subject ego, how can sweden with 100-150a month and 300ish census get 5000-10000gold left ?
sweden spend arround 15k total+2k to england and maintenance asfar as i remember, tho i dunno howmuch merchants ect costed
BurningEGO said:
Yes, positive WS, with St Helena (COT) about to fall, plus the COT of Ayutaya about to be taken, and the Royal Fleet totaly afraid of getting out of London and unable to reinforce his colonies or make any kind of positive outcome, and i was definetely loosing.
And frankly if John was winning that big time why did you have to resort to such kind of gameplay?
kj was loosing, you stil couldn't push for the victory tho and you started sayng you would quit not long after you complained about england having a huge cavalry army in mainland england, thats when you started to look for a excuse in my opinion
eitherway you where all powerful at the time yet had trouble beating kj with 2-3times his numbers ect
so sue me if i felt sorry and send him some cash,
oh my i send cash to egos enemy wich is a huge exploit
when before that you where fine about using tradepost exploit to help both of our bb go down wich seems far worse then this tbh (and ye i know i'm not a saint at exploiting either
, but atleast i don't pretend to be)BurningEGO said:
asfar as i know any exploit in your advantage always seem to be acceptable, any exploit against it however is oh so evil to the point you start accusing people of cheating
last time i chekked neither you and kj refused that offer to use tradeposts, the only issue was that i had to colonise brazil to do it at the time
kj refused after you quit cause you left specificle so seems to me kj knew you where a exploiting bitch to
edit : actually you may be right about 1 thing, daniel a was the biggest exploiter ever not you asfar as i know, he was constantly looking at every single loophole in the rules to his advantage when i played with him
BurningEGO said:
last 3years or so i heard nothing but complains about you and plenty of people refuse to play with you
you get ganged half the games you play in for good reason ussually
and you often quit after that
i seen several games where you where simply kicked to or not alowed to join in the passed years
you send me plenty of messages on icq during the years about discussions where you got ganged, kicked or got involved in a flamewars tryng to proof your right
BurningEGO said:
80% mistakes, your accusing us of cheating based on false facts so wich side has the right to be pissed here ?
SWEDEN DID NOT SEND MORE THEN 2K ish to england, get it in your head
Sweden did not send gold to france, austria or anybody related to France
(well xept bb i gave him 1tiny gift at some point of 200ish gold but can't remember what year that was)
at the time you quit the gm didn't even know why you quit so that point is moot none of us knew till like 2weeks later after you had 2weeks to examine the saves tryng to proof your right, your obsessed with being right to the point youll insult others cause you can't find proper proof
england repayed sweden after so in the end the "mistake" i made was very small at best anyway
besides you keep forgetting the simple fact
There was no perm for sweden
(even tho mulli was the official 1 i don't consider a person playng 1session then gone missing the entire game a perm)
i played sweden the entire first half of the game till you quit practicle, so i don't recognize that i had no right to send gold to nobody well ofcourse not to france but stil i don't see why i couldn't spam gifts to ottos, england or russia ect
and you should really stop calling me a ghost, the laptop i played sweden on was right next to me at all times, at the same desc as my main computer, i was able to see both screens at all time
typing and warring was merely annoyng since i couldn't do those2things at the same time and the keyboard of my laptop was 20cm max further then this 1
and again chek the ledger ego, france clearly had a exceptional year that session and just finished minting for governors ect the session before
so france was at -0.25 all session yet only deflated by 0.8 not including the event ? no offense but get over it
does anybody else think it isn't a bit weird about egos assumptions ?
sweden minted 0.5inflation max arround the period of the war yet it must have funded england 10 000 gold! sounds more like you couldn't cope with not being able to crush kj stil despite 3vs1 odds
and there is a difference between loaning some gold and being a retart ego, why in hell would i give kj 10k gold when the country has 150gold income, i could see it happening after 1700 with 500+income but in 1550 ish ? common seriously its offended now you think i'm either a idiot or a cheater tbh
you simply can't seem to grasp the fact that there might be a third option
a hes a idiot and sends kj all the gold just to spite ego
b hes a cheater and does it just to spite ego
c i didn't do what you think i did, i'm not as crazy as you ego
so france was at -0.25 all session yet only deflated by 0.8 not including the event ? no offense but get over it
does anybody else think it isn't a bit weird about egos assumptions ?
sweden minted 0.5inflation max arround the period of the war yet it must have funded england 10 000 gold! sounds more like you couldn't cope with not being able to crush kj stil despite 3vs1 odds
and there is a difference between loaning some gold and being a retart ego, why in hell would i give kj 10k gold when the country has 150gold income, i could see it happening after 1700 with 500+income but in 1550 ish ? common seriously its offended now you think i'm either a idiot or a cheater tbh
you simply can't seem to grasp the fact that there might be a third option
a hes a idiot and sends kj all the gold just to spite ego
b hes a cheater and does it just to spite ego
c i didn't do what you think i did, i'm not as crazy as you ego
Well if they were built the week before they do not matter to the discussion... do they? Or are you going to include what Sweden did 1st session in the game into 1545-1572 Swedish expenses?
As for the logs, YOU forbid me to do such - but you werent the GM and as such powerless to bitch about it. The logs started being deleted after my departure: but not before. And since rules didnt forbid me to look into them, i did such without any problems, as did people before me.
Ok drake, lets see what you did... You sent a couple of merchants here and there... You moved some DP sliders. You built a fleet. Some shipyards. And DA-ed Denmark. You received a conquistador and an explorer and did no exploration. You could have got embroiled in an war with BB or Russia while the war against OE was up but did nothing. What you did, tbh, is pretty similar to a ghost. Making ocasion clicks every 6 months to build a fleet, and every 10 years to move a slide, or, yearly to trade, or once to DA Denmark, isnt much tbh.
name = "August 22, 1562 : We won a battle against Rebel Scum in Poitou."
name = "EGO (Spain) :well i will not keep playing after today i am afraid"
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name = "June 16, 1566 : Spain declared war upon England."
I said i was going to leave before i even attacked England. 4 years before to be precise. And oh my 100k cavalry are absurdly strong for the spain i had. I didnt even had to invade mainland England and, god, KJ was loosing. Why should i waste extra resources fighting a war i could win, by atrition, easily. I took his colonies one by one and since KJ lacked a bigger warship fleet he was easy prey. It would take extra time, which obviously did, but the end would be obvious.
Sometimes it is better to take the stairs instead of taking the elevator. You might have a power shortage all of a sudden.
Well... In POD France+England+Venice+OE couldnt beat me all in a row (well England did indirectly), so i frankly dont know whos the worse.
Ok i have to admit i acted like a jackass at the start of the war but that seems to happen to me in every single war. In POD when KJ was playing France i kept hiting my head in the same mountain/forest province (across river!), but then i woke up and went through languedoc and made easy meat of him. In that session where i fought England in this game (QFC5), i also commited some serious extremely bad errors like attacking mainland england early on the war. But again, when i noticed that i was being a newbie by doing so i stopped imediately. Didnt take much time to start winning afterwards. Anyway, i could easily afford the cash when England couldnt. This case is very similar to the old story of Phyrus of Epirus. He did win a battle, but he couldnt afford loosing so many men as he did, while the romans could. With the Spain i had, i could afford loosing about 3x times the resources england had. But even so i chose not to after seeing my error.
Lol, dont come speak crap to me. I havent ever used such exploit, and no one on this forum can state otherwise. I repeat: only exploits i use, which for some arent even exploits, are: exploration with more then 100 ships, pillaging (which, tbh, hurts population and thus manpower-income longterm), and pirate spamming. I believe i am not missing any, and if you know about any other exploit i use, state so in the forums and give proof. (oh, actually i do also spam mercenaries sometimes during a battle - not really an exploit but whatever)
I have no problem if people do the same if they are allowed per rules, but frankly, sending cash from a ghosted nation (or whatever you want to call it, doesnt really matter), to another player, without a damned authorization from the PERM (in this case there was no perm, which makes matters even worse - you didnt know if he would turn to be a real enemy of england or not) is, something similar to cheating. When Daniel did all the stuff (or exploits like you decide to call em) he did, i never bitched. When Gamla mimicated Daniel, i didnt bitch either. When you also did the same, i never complained about it. The same applies to everyone else.
Only time i bitched was when i was a noob, and when i saw someone pillaging countless provinces at the same time. I believe the guy that did it was Nagel. Back in those days i didnt really knew how the stuff worked. Opinion also changed drastically when i saw a lot of other people, which were considerated as the best players in EU2, doing it.
And also, in all these years of playing i have only accused one guy of outright cheating: Chief_of_Troy. The guy edited refineries, and monopolies in every COT for himself, and still had leaders from 1500 awaken by 1650 (amongst other stuff). As for what you did, i said that what you did was pretty similar to cheating, since there was little diference between pressing F12 and writing montezuma. Stating that you cheat, or that you are "semi-cheating" is diferent. It is actually an expression of defining your extremely bad conduct.
And IMO, there is only one kind of cheating in EU2 and that is by editing the save. Which neither of you did.
Again, i dont know what several games you are speaking since i wasnt allowed to join only 3 games. 3 games, for pathetic reasons.
And actually in most games i played i got ganged. And can only remember of leaving 2 if memory serves properly. Offensive Fire, which i was fed up since the first game when i was onlimited when i CTDed (and back in those times i did CTD pretty much). You also left that game - because frankly, it was everyone against you, me and cheech. Sufice to say that the game ended right there (if it had continued i bet it would be a "NATO" kind of game, frankly). The other game was battlelords or warlords (cant really remember the name), where i agreed to become the new perm of venice by 1700 and got ganged by almost all of the game roster with a very sick nation after being 3 years inside the game. Venice had no fleet, less then 150d of monthly income, and extremely bad DP sliders (like full defensive, lol), and i received no edits once i joined. After such a gang there was basically really nothing to do as Venice so i just gave up.
But just for your information, the most fun i had in EU2 was when i got ganged (except in those 2 cases stated below, for obvious reasons). In "Last Huzzah!" - where i fought for over 20 years a gang composed of 7 nations, and in the end i lost half of norway, holstein, and all of france. CQS where i kept hapilly engaging myself in wars against KJ and Lifford and always loosing to them. Or even in CC3 where me and lyko were faced with major problems (either England+NL+Poland or Poland+Austria+OE, ah)
There are more but these were the most intense (or funnier) i had. And i kept playing in all of them despite the major problems i was faced with (specially in Last Huzzah - where i minted, to conquer, and hold the provinces that i ended loosing big time).
As for being kicked from games - i can remember only of being "almost" kicked in one game in EU2. CC3 where i complained about Engel's Laziness as a GM to edit my cookies and he forced me to apologize him for that. Initially i refused but then i apologized when i didnt want to leave Lyko like that. There is also another, that took place years ago and wasnt even on this forum but it is rather irrelevant (unless you consider adequate kicking someone when he is receiving a kick assing general some years afterward when he is kicking butt already without one). I was even accused of cheating because these folks couldnt make a proper assault on maximum forts with about 100k infantry.
This isnt true. Martin actually told me something like "Omfg ego he sent only 2000d to england and england will repay it soon ffs". You were also notified on ICQ very well. I believe i told John something as well but cant really remember what.
As for insulting others - well, you are the one trying to change the subject. You keep saying i left because i was getting owned when i was in fact winning. And now you keep insisting that i leave games when i am ganged and that i am not even allowed to join 75% of the games that take place in these forums. If someone is lying here that someone certainly isnt me.
This only makes matters worse. How can you give cash to England when sweden needs the cash for itself? How can you do such without any kind of authorization, from the GM (since there was no perm) and without notifying anyone? How can you go as far as minting (!!!) in order to give cash to England?
Following your thoughts, it would also be within your rights to give England ALL of Norway just like that.
Again - we played 27 years, and Sweden was deflationing 0.25 per year. Acordingly to the stats sweden did indeed mint 0.6 only, and following your simple thoughts its impossible to amass such a large quantity of cash with so low inflation. But what about the 0.25 deflation anually, over the 27 years... 0.25 over 27 years is the same as 6.75 inflation.
0.25x150x12x27=12150
Thats just a rough estimative. Add the census over the 27 years... 380x27=10260 plus the 0.6 extra deflation 0.6x150x12=1080.
12150+10260+1080=23490
Subtract the ships, the shipyards and the navy-army maint... and you are left with about 7000-8000d. Of course that is just a rough estimative. Still, pretty far away from the 2000d you spoke of.
I ask that myself everyday i think about it. Maybe because you were a close friend of KJ and wanted to help him... Maybe you wanted to see Spain in ruins... Only God knows.
well ego tnx for just proving you didn't quit over the gold i send to england
i send the gold to england during the war and since you quit before that it can't be because of that
and i never sayd you left cause you got ganged, keep your facts right, you get ganged alot and often quit but you did not get ganged this game unles you consider funding 1side of a 1vs1 a gang these days
and martin is right, england did pay back the gold to the new perm so no dmg done xept you messing up the campaign
i send the gold to england during the war and since you quit before that it can't be because of that
and i never sayd you left cause you got ganged, keep your facts right, you get ganged alot and often quit but you did not get ganged this game unles you consider funding 1side of a 1vs1 a gang these days
and martin is right, england did pay back the gold to the new perm so no dmg done xept you messing up the campaign
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since when is minting 0.3-4 inflation going asfar as giving norway to england ?
i think it would be in swedish advantage if neither of you where dominant at sea, wich would have been the case if you didn't quit
your making insane comparising here ego,
norway vs 0.3-0.4 inflation
i think it would be in swedish advantage if neither of you where dominant at sea, wich would have been the case if you didn't quit
your making insane comparising here ego,
norway vs 0.3-0.4 inflation
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