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Fnuco said:
hey guys. what happened?

Austria DOWed Venice. Austria demanded MA from me (to get to Modena, Venice's vassal), and i refused to grant it. He kept spamming me with MA proposals, and i kept rejecting. He then, refused to honour an agreement we had signed, stating i was "breaking the agreement for not cooperating with him". Well, giving MA wasnt part of the deal tbh.

He must had thought i would give him the MA in the end, by continually threatning me that he was not going to honour the previous agreement with me, but i do crave in to petty demands. So i just told Sorelus to bugger off. I was so anoyed at his atitude (and his previous arrogant atitude in ICQ always asking me to be his bitch), that i even spammed pirates (as did someone else, hehe) to blockade Frunds in Veneto. Austria didnt like this, and DOWed me. Even without LT 9, he couldnt do crap and couldnt even invade me, and since the game didnt go his way, and basically he had no allies due to his atitudes and lies, he started crying and DOWed pretty much everyone in order to ruin his nation.
 

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BurningEGO said:
Austria DOWed Venice. Austria demanded MA from me (to get to Modena, Venice's vassal), and i refused to grant it. He kept spamming me with MA proposals, and i kept rejecting. He then, refused to honour an agreement we had signed, stating i was "breaking the agreement for not cooperating with him". Well, giving MA wasnt part of the deal tbh.

He must had thought i would give him the MA in the end, by continually threatning me that he was not going to honour the previous agreement with me, but i do crave in to petty demands. So i just told Sorelus to bugger off. I was so anoyed at his atitude (and his previous arrogant atitude in ICQ always asking me to be his bitch), that i even spammed pirates (as did someone else, hehe) to blockade Frunds in Veneto. Austria didnt like this, and DOWed me. Even without LT 9, he couldnt do crap and couldnt even invade me, and since the game didnt go his way, and basically he had no allies due to his atitudes and lies, he started crying and DOWed pretty much everyone in order to ruin his nation.


well it was me that put pirates in the venice strait when i saw frundsberg in venice :)
 

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its to quiete aftera session like that, who will take over austria, any candidates yet ?

what edits will be made ? if austria gets wp all arround i demand compensation to
 

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austria got 15k army left i doubt people will like that :rolleyes:
especially considering that 15k is stuck in venice with frundsberg
 
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Maybe as a last case i might play Austria and Spain all together. :cool:

That would be... Cute.
 

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rather see fnuco unite germany then :eek:
 

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reasons for my DOWs

1st EGO and Drake actively cooperated and supported each other against me. Not by direct military actions but by economical cooperation, exchanging informations about Austria's strategic situation and preparing a common strategy. This violated the agreement I made with EGO wich included
-cooperation against common enemys
-financial support for Austria
-support against England
-support against France to defend the Netherlands and the Palatinate untill Charles abdication

2nd
As soon as France had managed to get Frundsberg contained within Venice he build up a large army on the borders wich made clear that he was going to ignore the NAP. The state of his armed forces made also clear that he was only months away from his actual dow. As my economy was clearly inferior to France's I waiting for Drake's declaration of war would not have helped me in any way no matter wether it would have happened in 1528 or 1516 furthermore it became clear that EGO who was well informed about all this was not going to change his stance.

3rd
John playing England also had threatened with war since the last session as well an was cooperating with France as well. While he might have come into conflict with EGO over the spoils of the war he showed little motivation to support Austria against France or Spain.


This unbearable situation left me with little choice. I could only try to wage an successfull preemptive war before France would be fully ready for war or at least stirring up Central Europe so that at least ONE of the nations sorrounding central Europe would be forced to pay attention and finaly start acting against the obvious Franco-Spainish coalition so that even if Austria itself looses the game won't end like the previous two QFCs with a few nations assuming virtual hegemony within the first 2 centurys due to beeing unopposes for the majority of the game.
 
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admiral drake said:
its to quiete aftera session like that, who will take over austria, any candidates yet ?

what edits will be made ? if austria gets wp all arround i demand compensation to

the best is to give hab some edits, like peace with all nations and frundsberg moved back to vienna. and ofcourse find a new player
 

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SorelusImperion said:
reasons for my DOWs

1st EGO and Drake actively cooperated and supported each other against me. Not by direct military actions but by economical cooperation, exchanging informations about Austria's strategic situation and preparing a common strategy. This violated the agreement I made with EGO wich included
-cooperation against common enemys
-financial support for Austria
-support against England
-support against France to defend the Netherlands and the Palatinate untill Charles abdication

2nd
As soon as France had managed to get Frundsberg contained within Venice he build up a large army on the borders wich made clear that he was going to ignore the NAP. The state of his armed forces made also clear that he was only months away from his actual dow. As my economy was clearly inferior to France's I waiting for Drake's declaration of war would not have helped me in any way no matter wether it would have happened in 1528 or 1516 furthermore it became clear that EGO who was well informed about all this was not going to change his stance.

3rd
John playing England also had threatened with war since the last session as well an was cooperating with France as well. While he might have come into conflict with EGO over the spoils of the war he showed little motivation to support Austria against France or Spain.


This unbearable situation left me with little choice. I could only try to wage an successfull preemptive war before France would be fully ready for war or at least stirring up Central Europe so that at least ONE of the nations sorrounding central Europe would be forced to pay attention and finaly start acting against the obvious Franco-Spainish coalition so that even if Austria itself looses the game won't end like the previous two QFCs with a few nations assuming virtual hegemony within the first 2 centurys due to beeing unopposes for the majority of the game.

Well, one thing, it would've ended with Austria annexed. What were you thinking, pissing everybody off and still expecting some kind of help from anyone? You started off having a pretty solid ally in England. Blew that away totally. France, well, he was your natural enemy. Nothing unusual about that, but Spain, hah, that was your last chance, and you blew it, trying to order him around instead of working with him, and then DOWing. You forgot that in this game, diplomacy is as important as economy or war, to the frustration of anyone who tried to help you.
 

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Good sirs and sires!

The old Archduke is no more. He succumbed to a most vile form of crazed dementia and after declaring war on just about everyone in Europe was ousted in a shall we say a most fitting fashion:

Ampoliros23


Long live the new Archduke:

Ampoliros23


Please feel free to contact him in order to discuss the new order in Europe.
Spain especialy is most politely requested to grant the new and most humble archduke an audience.
 

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Oh noes... This mean Ampo is the new substitute?
 

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BurningEGO said:
Oh noes... This mean Ampo is the new substitute?

What a polite way to welcome our new Austria :rolleyes:
 

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SorelusImperion said:
reasons for my DOWs

1st EGO and Drake actively cooperated and supported each other against me. Not by direct military actions but by economical cooperation, exchanging informations about Austria's strategic situation and preparing a common strategy. This violated the agreement I made with EGO wich included
-cooperation against common enemys
-financial support for Austria
-support against England
-support against France to defend the Netherlands and the Palatinate untill Charles abdication

2nd
As soon as France had managed to get Frundsberg contained within Venice he build up a large army on the borders wich made clear that he was going to ignore the NAP. The state of his armed forces made also clear that he was only months away from his actual dow. As my economy was clearly inferior to France's I waiting for Drake's declaration of war would not have helped me in any way no matter wether it would have happened in 1528 or 1516 furthermore it became clear that EGO who was well informed about all this was not going to change his stance.

3rd
John playing England also had threatened with war since the last session as well an was cooperating with France as well. While he might have come into conflict with EGO over the spoils of the war he showed little motivation to support Austria against France or Spain.


This unbearable situation left me with little choice. I could only try to wage an successfull preemptive war before France would be fully ready for war or at least stirring up Central Europe so that at least ONE of the nations sorrounding central Europe would be forced to pay attention and finaly start acting against the obvious Franco-Spainish coalition so that even if Austria itself looses the game won't end like the previous two QFCs with a few nations assuming virtual hegemony within the first 2 centurys due to beeing unopposes for the majority of the game.


1 ego stopped me from dowing you over palatinate

2 you betrayed england wich saved burgundy for you last week so no suprise he turned on you :)

3 the army you saw was my normal standing army, if i really prepared for war it would have been 50% larger :rolleyes:

4 i didn't plan to break the nap but after all the provoking you did it was pretty tempting, i moved 1army to your border hoping you would wp spain and drop modena that aint that bad
 

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There is some stuff that i would like to clarify anyway... And drake can confirm it.

SorelusImperion said:
reasons for my DOWs

1st EGO and Drake actively cooperated and supported each other against me. Not by direct military actions but by economical cooperation, exchanging informations about Austria's strategic situation and preparing a common strategy. This violated the agreement I made with EGO wich included
-cooperation against common enemys
-financial support for Austria
-support against England
-support against France to defend the Netherlands and the Palatinate untill Charles abdication

I made some deals with drake - that is true. I havent played one Spain without hyperteching at start, except when my enemies started teching LT as well. I made some deals with drake, like accepting his presence in the north of italy, and allowing him to expand without attacking him. He promised not to attack me in the meanwhile and accept me in what was left of Italy (basically what i got). And since Drake is trustworthy, unlike someone i could mention (haha?), i had no problems accepting that. He did, in fact, ask me for some loans, but i had barely any cash by the time he asked it (i only minted at the end of last session because of events - i had the fuggers and did a lot of deflation, and by the time he asked cash i had only 800d). So i didnt give him a single gold coin. If you doubt that, ask him. You might as well check relations between France-Spain if you doubt me. About the "cooperation against common enemies", that is very vague, and it was not what was agreed. I agreed to help you vs a possible English incursion, vs the OE and vs France. All on defensive purposes. Also, i NEVER spoke about your "strategic situation" with anyone else. I never knew anything about it anyway. You never spoke with me, we never had a RM (thus i couldnt spy), so i dont really know what "strategic situation" you are speaking about.

Even if i did all of what you state, i dont see that as a reason to do all the crap you did, in order to ruin Austria.


2nd
As soon as France had managed to get Frundsberg contained within Venice he build up a large army on the borders wich made clear that he was going to ignore the NAP. The state of his armed forces made also clear that he was only months away from his actual dow. As my economy was clearly inferior to France's I waiting for Drake's declaration of war would not have helped me in any way no matter wether it would have happened in 1528 or 1516 furthermore it became clear that EGO who was well informed about all this was not going to change his stance.

Drake always kept a huge army around (do you know that the French suport limit is huge?). He kept whispering me that you were preparing something since you were massing men on the borders. And when you said "EGO, if you dont give me MA you can forgive our agreement", in a very arrogant way, i allowed Drake to go to war against you without putting my nose into the conflict.


This unbearable situation left me with little choice. I could only try to wage an successfull preemptive war before France would be fully ready for war or at least stirring up Central Europe so that at least ONE of the nations sorrounding central Europe would be forced to pay attention and finaly start acting against the obvious Franco-Spainish coalition so that even if Austria itself looses the game won't end like the previous two QFCs with a few nations assuming virtual hegemony within the first 2 centurys due to beeing unopposes for the majority of the game.

Do you know, that loosing a war once in life is a normal thing? It does not mean that you will end annexed, anyway.
 

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martmol said:
the best is to give hab some edits, like peace with all nations and frundsberg moved back to vienna. and ofcourse find a new player

I am fine with this, but i do ask one thing: DO NOT create a "truce" between these countries.
 

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One thing:

I have been told that Austria has not changed any domestic sliders yet. Would it be ok if I changed some? I don´t know how long this campaign has been going on....but basically....for every 10 years one change.

What do you think?
 

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i don't mind

game started 1453 btw
 

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me neither