Q&A: Counciousness, taxes & tech.

[Tormodius]

Now there must be certain issues in which the taxation is affected by (also in which taxation affects) ... e.g. how is the tax-rate gonna affect the population-variables(pops) , technology level, revolts, etc. ?


When all pops has concioussness (con) = 10 it's good according to this AAR-pic below, because then you can set taxes to 100%. Is this a maximum con value? Anyway, this con value must also affect some stuff, perhaps the political system, ideologies, militancy, and such things will affect con, or the other way around?


I found a screenie in this AAR:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/images/aar/ebbesen/btta_1842_03_17.jpg

 

[Gwalcmai]

I think the idea in that screenshot is that your population at con = 10 is already so rebellious you might as well milk them for all they're worth.

 

[TheFlemishDuck]

I think the idea in that screenshot is that your population at con = 10 is already so rebellious you might as well milk them for all they're worth.

I got the same inpression ,and somehow you probably won't be able to use this tactic anymore because Prof. Ebbesen has shown it to be somewhat "exploitive".

 

[Icecold]

I think the idea in that screenshot is that your population at con = 10 is already so rebellious you might as well milk them for all they're worth.

That's my understanding as well.

Cheers, Ice

 

[Tormodius]

So it's an exploit... guess it will be patched if it's a huge one then.
Well, I don't knew anything about consciousness, so what is the scale, 1 - 100 ?

 

[unmerged(2567)]

Originally posted by DoctorPlague
So it's an exploit... guess it will be patched if it's a huge one then.
Well, I don't knew anything about consciousness, so what is the scale, 1 - 100 ?

My guess is 1 to 10.

 

[Alexander Seil]

I'd guess political consciousness has to do with population's sensitivity to taxes and political change - militancy defines "rebeliousness".

 

[unmerged(3168)]

Yeah that's my take on it too, people are so well educated that they think that the government is being reasonable in taking all their money Then the revolts only came about because they didn't have any money left with which to buy food and the like.

 

[Darkrenown]

Originally posted by DoctorPlague
So it's an exploit... guess it will be patched if it's a huge one then.
Well, I don't knew anything about consciousness, so what is the scale, 1 - 100 ?

He mentions some (all?) of his exploits were fixed during the course of his AAR.

 

[Dunderdon]

Originally posted by Kiith
Yeah that's my take on it too, people are so well educated that they think that the government is being reasonable in taking all their money Then the revolts only came about because they didn't have any money left with which to buy food and the like.

i suppose its because they are well educated socialists and want to overthrow the burgeois state anyway, so taxing them 100% won't make them more ambitious about it, because they are already at 10.

 

[Derek Pullem]

Originally posted by Darkrenown
He mentions some (all?) of his exploits were fixed during the course of his AAR.

All the ones Peter owned up to............... He is an Evil Overlord (TM) you know

I imagine he'll be on the Crusader Kings torture rack one day to get the others out of him before he completes the first Victoria WC

(and I'm not talking about Mr Crapper here)

 

[Tormodius]

Originally posted by weyoun
i suppose its because they are well educated socialists and want to overthrow the burgeois state anyway, so taxing them 100% won't make them more ambitious about it, because they are already at 10.

Hmm, well educated socialists are not the kinda people you wanna mess with... Hey, there were three seperate sliders one for each social class. Wonder if those classes may have different cons too? Or does con apply to the whole population?

 

[Darkrenown]

I think con can be different for different types of pops, but all your pops of the same type have the same con. E.g all your farmers have a con of 3 and your workers all have a con of 2.

 

[unmerged(6766)]

I think so too, because in the old screenshot about a creation of museum event, it said raise the con for x POP by 1 and for z pop by 1. It doesn't seem to allow for provincial or racial differences.

 

[Dievs]

I would fix this exploit by simply not allowing you to rise taxes beyond the level that will make militancy at 10.

Think of it - if the people are already so rebellious, then the tax increase will be only on paper - you won't be able to cash in those taxes anyway, because they would refuse to pay.

So, in the AAR's example, although you want to set 100% for all, you would get 0% for those who already are completely rebellious, and some amount inbetween from those who have yet some patience remaining...

 

[Tormodius]

What Dievs says sounds reasonably realistic. I think tax collection in that epoch, could be quite troublesome, depending on the strength of the administration, local influence, and the militancy of the masses. But education level, whats it gotta do with it?

As compared to the EU2 state stability-system where stability and political sliders depicted the young born states, and their weaker administrations.
In the epoch from 1820 an onward most counties had much more stable and strong administration. Lots of new options for the government. I think it is depicted well in Victoria, according to that screenie.