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[commanderx]

I'm already said that i'm can not add West army and Freikors because Baltic region on current map too small.
I do not know how to add new provinces. Truth for truth. But I plan to learn these skills this year.

Ah yea true, something that I want to learn too about how to redrawn provinces. I just need to sit down and go through the tutorial, but never have found the time. The tutorial if anyone is interested -
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...apeditting-tutorial-discussion-thread.529566/

 

[Nesic8693]

Yes, i'm know, i'm said that i'll show you my last diaries about Red Hungary and Spain. I'll show you them, but, you also asked me to show the internal conflict in Austria-Hungary




I found the historical reason for the revolution - hunger and hyperinflation in Austria-Hungary in the last years of the war.

Yes, you may be lucky and you'll have soft outcome.
No uprisings, only re-integration of your territories ( Restore national cores )

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If Austria-Hungary fell apart during Bread Revolution, German Empire will have opportunity to annex it in 1920s


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If bread revolution failed, uprisings were suppresed and crow regions were re-integrated, you will have opportunity to form United States of Austria.

No, I did not go mad. It was reall Austrian project. The project failed due to the First World War.

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Do not look at Franz Joseph. This is just a test, the USA cannot be formed until the mid-20s.

Interesting new ideas about Austro-Hungary, I have some ideas of mine that I wish to add:
1. I presume that this event-chains are only for the case of CP victory in WW1. Then, about Hungarian rebellion I propose two event-chains:
- In first (If RCW is ongoing or Reds have won), Hungarian Soviet Republic starts a revolution and independence war supported only by Soviet Russia.
- In second (If Whites have won in RCW), Hungarian nationalists proclaim independent republic and start independence war (like in 1848.). In this case all major European powers have option to chose to aid Austrians of Hungarians, depending of their strategic goals.
2. About Czech uprising, this will most likely provoke German annexation of Sudetenland.
3. Creation of Galicia-Lodomeria would most likely lead to takeover sponsored by Poles or Ukrainians. Ukraine will also most likely sieze Odessa region. Then Poland and Ukraine could start war between each other. Germany could intervene, side with one and attack the other country. German attack on Ukraine could lead to Soviet intervention in Eastern Ukraine (Artyom Sergeyev and Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic) and Crimea.
4. South Slavic nations of Austro-Hungary (Slovenes, Croats and Serbs) could start their independence war and unite with Serbia into Yugoslavia. This, however, is totally different state than OTL Yugoslavia since Serbia is defeated and razed in WW1 and could not lead unification like in OTL (In OTL victorious Serbia lost massive number of population). Zagreb is the capital city and Croats dominate in this "South Slavic Federal Republic" - this is the historical idea about unification planned by some of Croatian politicians pre-WW1.
5. Name United states of Austria is maybe not the best solution, since Austria is only one "crown land" of the country.
I propose one of these names: Imperial Habsburg United States, Central European Imperial States, Danubian Imperial Federation, Habsburg Imperial Federation.

 

[commanderx]

Well name was United States of Greater Austria ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Greater_Austria ) , though Danube Federation seems better option as it removes any nationality feeling dominated and could have similar progress of new national identity creation like it was in Yugoslavia ( Crotian, Slovenian, Serbian nationalism was frowned upon or outright banned from being taught, and instead unified identity of Yugoslav was being promoted ) only with much greater difficulty in Danubian case

 

[J_Master]

I'm already said that i'm can not add West army and Freikors because Baltic region on current map too small.
I do not know how to add new provinces. Truth for truth. But I plan to learn these skills this year.

Instead of adding in provinces, perhaps converting to the E3 map is an option?

 

[commanderx]

Instead of adding in provinces, perhaps converting to the E3 map is an option?

Thats a huge work, been doing it myself for my mod + you need to rework AI. Rather if you just add few provinces at the time, you know where they are and you can adjust ai and events accordingly, rather than bog down reworking all of the event triggers and ai behavior. Also E3 map adds ton of provinces in regions like central and south Africa where at the time nothing much happened compared to the cauldron of chaos and war that was Europe, also more provinces increase the load and calculations.

 

[Nesic8693]

Well name was United States of Greater Austria ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Greater_Austria ) , though Danube Federation seems better option as it removes any nationality feeling dominated and could have similar progress of new national identity creation like it was in Yugoslavia ( Crotian, Slovenian, Serbian nationalism was frowned upon or outright banned from being taught, and instead unified identity of Yugoslav was being promoted ) only with much greater difficulty in Danubian case

Well that was name from early stage of that plan, who says that they won't change it. As for Yugoslavia, we see that in USoGA state members would have names based on, in most cases, geographical term - similar to Yugoslav banovinas from 1929. I don't think it would go more difficult for Danubian Fed. instead of Yugoslavia. In Yugoslavia common Yugoslav "nationality" was never fully accepted by the most of people.

 

[REDrake]

One of the biggest opponents to the idea of federalization of Austro-Hungarian empire, was Hungary. It was also one of the main reasons it failed to materialize.
If an event shows up with a go ahead for a united states of Austria, perhaps we should have a secessionist Hungary or a very high revolt risk in Hungarian provinces.

 

[Ericafaq]

Interesting new ideas about Austro-Hungary, I have some ideas of mine that I wish to add:
1. I presume that this event-chains are only for the case of CP victory in WW1. Then, about Hungarian rebellion I propose two event-chains:
- In first (If RCW is ongoing or Reds have won), Hungarian Soviet Republic starts a revolution and independence war supported only by Soviet Russia.
- In second (If Whites have won in RCW), Hungarian nationalists proclaim independent republic and start independence war (like in 1848.). In this case all major European powers have option to chose to aid Austrians of Hungarians, depending of their strategic goals.
2. About Czech uprising, this will most likely provoke German annexation of Sudetenland.
3. Creation of Galicia-Lodomeria would most likely lead to takeover sponsored by Poles or Ukrainians. Ukraine will also most likely sieze Odessa region. Then Poland and Ukraine could start war between each other. Germany could intervene, side with one and attack the other country. German attack on Ukraine could lead to Soviet intervention in Eastern Ukraine (Artyom Sergeyev and Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Soviet Republic) and Crimea.
4. South Slavic nations of Austro-Hungary (Slovenes, Croats and Serbs) could start their independence war and unite with Serbia into Yugoslavia. This, however, is totally different state than OTL Yugoslavia since Serbia is defeated and razed in WW1 and could not lead unification like in OTL (In OTL victorious Serbia lost massive number of population). Zagreb is the capital city and Croats dominate in this "South Slavic Federal Republic" - this is the historical idea about unification planned by some of Croatian politicians pre-WW1.
5. Name United states of Austria is maybe not the best solution, since Austria is only one "crown land" of the country.
I propose one of these names: Imperial Habsburg United States, Central European Imperial States, Danubian Imperial Federation, Habsburg Imperial Federation.

Thanks for your ideas, always glad to see you. Point 2 - As i'm said in previous posts, German Empire will have opportunity to demand Sudetlands (Somewhere in 1920s, if Czech state alone)
Point 3 - Well, i'll think about military conflicts between CP minors. But, as i'm said, will added specific events where CP minors will ask uncle Willy to review and change their borders

Instead of adding in provinces, perhaps converting to the E3 map is an option?

There were two votings, and always the players were against E3 Map.

Once, one hysterical and apparently very young player demanded from me to integrate E3 map. In general, his message gained a record number of disslikes....

One of the biggest opponents to the idea of federalization of Austro-Hungarian empire, was Hungary. It was also one of the main reasons it failed to materialize.
If an event shows up with a go ahead for a united states of Austria, perhaps we should have a secessionist Hungary or a very high revolt risk in Hungarian provinces.

Decision can not be activated If the Hungarian uprisings were not suppressed. I'm dont want to show DESC trigger because it's beta
The words “empire went through all the circles of hell” were written for a reason.

 

[commanderx]

Yugoslav nationality wasnt accepted aye, but that was the goal, at least in early 1930s as I have only read about that time, dont know about the Cold War Yugoslavia, but in 30s government tried to remove what they perceived as tribal squabbles and tribalism, and replace it by this one nationality that would make the nation strong.

''The term "Yugoslavs" was used to refer to all of its inhabitants, but particularly to those of South Slavic ethnicity. Some Croatian nationalists viewed the Serb plurality and Serbian royal family as hegemonic. Eventually, a conflict of interest sparked among the Yugoslav peoples. In 1929, King Alexander sought to resolve a deep political crisis brought on by ethnic tensions by assuming dictatorial powers in the 6 January Dictatorship, renaming the country "Kingdom of Yugoslavia", and officially pronouncing that there is one single Yugoslav nation with three tribes. The Yugoslav ethnic designation was thus imposed for a period of time on all South Slavs in Yugoslavia. Changes in Yugoslav politics after King Alexander's death in 1934 brought an end to this policy, but the designation continued to be used by some people.''



I could see same approach with Danube nation, trying to resolve ethnic tensions, the government is pushing for new ethnic designation to be imposed on everyone.

 

[Nesic8693]

Yugoslav nationality wasnt accepted aye, but that was the goal, at least in early 1930s as I have only read about that time, dont know about the Cold War Yugoslavia, but in 30s government tried to remove what they perceived as tribal squabbles and tribalism, and replace it by this one nationality that would make the nation strong.

''The term "Yugoslavs" was used to refer to all of its inhabitants, but particularly to those of South Slavic ethnicity. Some Croatian nationalists viewed the Serb plurality and Serbian royal family as hegemonic. Eventually, a conflict of interest sparked among the Yugoslav peoples. In 1929, King Alexander sought to resolve a deep political crisis brought on by ethnic tensions by assuming dictatorial powers in the 6 January Dictatorship, renaming the country "Kingdom of Yugoslavia", and officially pronouncing that there is one single Yugoslav nation with three tribes. The Yugoslav ethnic designation was thus imposed for a period of time on all South Slavs in Yugoslavia. Changes in Yugoslav politics after King Alexander's death in 1934 brought an end to this policy, but the designation continued to be used by some people.''



I could see same approach with Danube nation, trying to resolve ethnic tensions, the government is pushing for new ethnic designation to be imposed on everyone.

Since that is part of my national history, I know very much of that stuff.
Over-simplified:
"...but the designation continued to be used by some people.'' Yeah, but, that was close political acosiates of late king Alexander, that wanted to gain power by following his legacy, there was no massive popular support for the idea. People followed party leaders and most influential of them followed the idea of cooperation among nationalities - like coalition of JZR, JMO and SLS. In Cold War Yugoslavia there was the policy of "brotherhood and unity of all nations and nationalities". Yugoslav identity was mostly promoted by high-ranking SKJ members - they wanted to show that they threat equally all the population no matter the nationalities or republics that are members of the federation. In common life it was promoted by people born in mixed marriages.

 

[commanderx]

Since that is part of my national history, I know very much of that stuff.
Over-simplified:
"...but the designation continued to be used by some people.'' Yeah, but, that was close political acosiates of late king Alexander, that wanted to gain power by following his legacy, there was no massive popular support for the idea. People followed party leaders and most influential of them followed the idea of cooperation among nationalities - like coalition of JZR, JMO and SLS. In Cold War Yugoslavia there was the policy of "brotherhood and unity of all nations and nationalities". Yugoslav identity was mostly promoted by high-ranking SKJ members - they wanted to show that they threat equally all the population no matter the nationalities or republics that are members of the federation. In common life it was promoted by people born in mixed marriages.

Ah thanks for insight, I only know little bits and pieces of that nation.

 

[Khor]

I wonder, if Poland is not in the game and if it didn't form under any rule, than will Galicia-Lodomeria have a chance, to transform to Poland?
Bukovina is quite interesting. Will Moldova have a chance to anney it?

 

[Filsofo]

I see you have been talking of the possibility of Austria survival. I have an idea about that, although I think is not the first time I post it here. Esperanto.
Hear me out:

One of the biggest problems the empire had was the diversity of languages. It made a neccesity to have divisions of the same subnationality just to work. That also defeats one of the purposes of military service, that is to create a bond between the different people that has to attend it, strengthening the national bond. So I propose an alternative, to make it long term, in the 1920 Austria revival scenario. Mandatory esperanto courses for the army, as part of the academy training. The idea would be:
-First five years period, for all officers, from field marshal to lieutenant. All have to be capable of speaking and understanding Esperanto, as a common language. It helps it's artificial, with only regular verbs, and designed to be simple. It should be easy enough to learn.
-Second five years period. All subofficers. With the officers already knowing it, there should be enough infraestructure (teachers, academies, grammar and vocabulary quick-lists, etc) for the sargents and caporals to be able to learnt it quickly.
-Third five year period: the soldiers themselves. In double capacity: both the proffesional soldiers, and the new recruits. That means that the soldiers are going to have to learn the language, and that is going to be a part of the training in the military service. It's going to be the hardest of the three, but they have the previos ten year teaching experience, and the benefits of such a measure (a common language for the whole army) slould not be underestimated.

As an additional possibility, after the fifteen years period, it could studied to start teaching it in schools. The final idea, tweenty or thirty years in the future, would be to make esperanto the official language of the empire, with all the others languages as co-officials.

This coul give boost to the army efficience. Better moral and organization ( 5% more firts level, 5% second level, 10% third level) It also, in the third level, start offering a boost to industrial and building efficience, symbolizing the low level industry and workshops opened by licensed soldiers after completing their term. Of course, this could be bigger after the Esperanto starts being taught in schools. and bigger still if its becomes the empire's official language.

I apologize for the bad english. I am an spaniardn and lack practice.

 

[Pioniere]

Posting a picture for industry event for Italy and a early army event for Japan pic.

 

[rwglaub]

1918 scenario will not load because North Rus needs a TAG.

 

[MKKusti74]

Dunno if there are events for it as I havent checked, but if there isnt , some ideas in regards to Greater Finland, dont know about coring Ingria, but I could see Estonians being semi-integrated in the union, as languages are somewhat similar and during the turbulent time, a ideology of Pan- Finno-Ugric union was shared among some of the soldiers.

Could have some dictator arise there who would seek to conquer and cause trouble in the region.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimosodat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Finland

One big problem there is how Russian react such troublemaker, even russians has it weak moments in history it easily could defeats Finns in any case.

 

[Ericafaq]

I wonder, if Poland is not in the game and if it didn't form under any rule, than will Galicia-Lodomeria have a chance, to transform to Poland?
Bukovina is quite interesting. Will Moldova have a chance to anney it?

Hello.
I'm think yes. Most probably GAL-LOD will have opportunity to fom Poland

Not Bukovina, BuGovina ( Bug river in Ukraine ). This is the raft of my imagination. The name was coined in honor of the river. This state never existed.
Bugovina is potential target for Ukraine. If uprising was successful

I see you have been talking of the possibility of Austria survival. I have an idea about that, although I think is not the first time I post it here. Esperanto.
Hear me out:

One of the biggest problems the empire had was the diversity of languages. It made a neccesity to have divisions of the same subnationality just to work. That also defeats one of the purposes of military service, that is to create a bond between the different people that has to attend it, strengthening the national bond. So I propose an alternative, to make it long term, in the 1920 Austria revival scenario. Mandatory esperanto courses for the army, as part of the academy training. The idea would be:
-First five years period, for all officers, from field marshal to lieutenant. All have to be capable of speaking and understanding Esperanto, as a common language. It helps it's artificial, with only regular verbs, and designed to be simple. It should be easy enough to learn.
-Second five years period. All subofficers. With the officers already knowing it, there should be enough infraestructure (teachers, academies, grammar and vocabulary quick-lists, etc) for the sargents and caporals to be able to learnt it quickly.
-Third five year period: the soldiers themselves. In double capacity: both the proffesional soldiers, and the new recruits. That means that the soldiers are going to have to learn the language, and that is going to be a part of the training in the military service. It's going to be the hardest of the three, but they have the previos ten year teaching experience, and the benefits of such a measure (a common language for the whole army) slould not be underestimated.

As an additional possibility, after the fifteen years period, it could studied to start teaching it in schools. The final idea, tweenty or thirty years in the future, would be to make esperanto the official language of the empire, with all the others languages as co-officials.

This coul give boost to the army efficience. Better moral and organization ( 5% more firts level, 5% second level, 10% third level) It also, in the third level, start offering a boost to industrial and building efficience, symbolizing the low level industry and workshops opened by licensed soldiers after completing their term. Of course, this could be bigger after the Esperanto starts being taught in schools. and bigger still if its becomes the empire's official language.

I apologize for the bad english. I am an spaniardn and lack practice.

Great. Just great. Thanks a lot, it will be definitely implemented

Posting a picture for industry event for Italy and a early army event for Japan pic.

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[Ericafaq]

One big problem there is how Russian react such troublemaker, even russians has it weak moments in history it easily could defeats Finns in any case.

Finns will successfully expand it's territory in Karelia under patronage of German Empire ( Of course, if the Germans won the first world war ), it was already realized for coming version

 

[commanderx]

One big problem there is how Russian react such troublemaker, even russians has it weak moments in history it easily could defeats Finns in any case.

Russia in early years was a volatile pot with Poles,Ukrainians, Balts, Russians of various factions themselves and a lot of other nationalities and groups carving up the old empire. I wouldnt think it would be a far stretch for Fins to move in Kerelia and other places, another question would be if they could hold it after the dust has settled.

 

[grubyzpszowa]

bro add nation Silesia silesian have option to join poland stay with germany or create own nation .Lot of silesian in uprising fight for freedom