Put under personal Union under Russia...

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I formed Italy and Royal Marriage/Allied with Russia to help me with defensive wars against France and Austria. I really didn't need them, but they were willing so I sent the diplomats and went at it. I was playing on 5 speed and all of the sudden I get a pop-up telling me I have an independence war casus belli. Sure enough I was under personal union.

I have about 100k troops and the strongest Mediterranean fleet in the world. I am confident I can take on a fighting force double my size and win with my terrain advantage. I DOW Russia and lose...handily.

I'm in truce and Russia is allied with the Ottomans (WHO THEY DECLARED A CRUSADE AGAINST LIKE 4 YEARS EARLIER!!!!) and Russia is sitting pretty with 100 army tradition generals that are taking away my terrain advantage (that's why I lost the first independence war).

So, any input out there...or is it time to call it quits fire up another EU4 playthrough.

 

[anubisfike]

Is there no chance you can wait for the PU to end by ruining your relations?

 

[Trickrs]

Is there no chance you can wait for the PU to end by ruining your relations?

They improve the relations, this way is nearly impossible.

@OP: Do you border Russia? There is anyone that can beat Russia and is hostile to it?

 

[DPM128]

That is some tough luck. The only real way to stand a chance is for russia to get in a war with someone else and be to preoccupied to deal with you. However, russia tends to stay out of western affairs and go east, so that is unlikely. Besides that, wait for russia to declare war in the east and move most of her troops there. It is a long march across siberia. Maybe you can handle half of russias troops?

 

[TingJonKi]

use advisors and abuse the fact no one will DoW you to build a ton of buildings to improve your power over 10 years before you Dow them?

 

[Korashy]

You could try trapping their forces in sicily.

 

[Shanok]

Or Venice. You seem to be pretty adept at the game. I'm sure you'll find a way.

I just played a game as Portugal and early on got in a damn PU under France of all people. Thought I was doomed. I tried an initial independence war and lost handily also. Then, as an earlier poster suggested, I waited till she was banged up a bit in another war and tried once again with better tactics...and won.

 

[unmerged(804580)]

Others gave good suggestions, and I'd wait until Russia is in trouble as well. Though just one more bit: I wonder what year it is in your game. But if it's pretty late and you get an event to change to Bureaucratic Despotism, TAKE IT. Congratulations, you're a republic and independent.

Though just one thing. Make sure you (that is, Russia) don't have a regency council when it happens. I switched to Bureaucratic Despotism in my Perm campaign while I had a regency. The result? The Regency Council now rules until death. It doesn't have an age and it can't die. And I still can't declare wars. One stupid click and the game was over.

 

[unmerged(475475)]

That is some tough luck. The only real way to stand a chance is for russia to get in a war with someone else and be to preoccupied to deal with you. However, russia tends to stay out of western affairs and go east, so that is unlikely. Besides that, wait for russia to declare war in the east and move most of her troops there. It is a long march across siberia. Maybe you can handle half of russias troops?

The problem is that if the Russians are at war he will be allied to them in that war, therefore he can't declare his own independence war.

 

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The problem is that if the Russians are at war he will be allied to them in that war, therefore he can't declare his own independence war.

Yeah, exactly. On top of this, Russia is always at war somewhere so I am always dragged in and a target so it prevents me from really building myself up to fight them.