Put a new ribbon around the portraits of viceroys and tribes and the temples.

[klopkr]

This suggestion has now been implemented!

Known implemented changes:
Doge - Silver with jewels and a red ribbon
King - Gold with a blue ribbon
Muslim King - Gold with a green ribbon
Prince Bishop - Silver with a white ribbon
Bishop - Bronze with a white ribbon
Mayor - Bronze with a pink ribbon
Count - Silver with a blue ribbon
Tribal count - Silver with a brown ribbon

Unknown/Unimplemented changes:
Viceroys
Religious heads
Rebels
Great Dukes
Patricians - Likely already implemented
Cardinals
Mercenaries
Holy orders

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Put new ribbons around the portraits of viceroys, tribes, temples, and rebels.

For all the other kinds of of rulers it's easy to tell what rank they are or if they're a republic. So I suggest pdox should add ribbons around the portraits of other kinds of rulers similar to the republic ones.

Rebels can be black.
Tribes can be red.
Viceroys can be green.
The pope can be white.
Or any other colour combo.

 

[Rags17]

plus very much ONE !

 

[Czert]

hehehe, soom we wil have DLC callled visual effects .

 

[Rags17]

Remember that you can have multiple types of ribbons: Look at an Emperor-tier doge, with both blue and purple. A caliph could have white and purple, for example.

This is a great general idea, but I'd like to expand our horizons a little more: Don't restrict the ideas to just different colors for ribbons. Take tribal. Why not just have their 'ribbons' be a sort of wicker looking effect, or something similarly organic?

if you made the various ribbons appear at different parts of the ring you could make a "layering" effect, eg white ribbon on odd segments to show the characters clerical position, purple on the even segments to show that he is also a king etc.

 

[klopkr]

if you made the various ribbons appear at different parts of the ring you could make a "layering" effect, eg white ribbon on odd segments to show the characters clerical position, purple on the even segments to show that he is also a king etc.

That was the idea.

 

[klopkr]

It doesn't have to be ribbons. Any extra visual cues on the UI would do the jobs.

Here's some ideas for some alternatives
1. Crown/religious hat over the character ring
2. A second differently coloured character ring
3. An emblem or a medal
4. A small symbol to the side of it (pope hat or a crown or a tribal village)
5. Swords/axes/paple maces/boats crossed under the portrait
6. Their type of government written above their head

 

[klopkr]

This suggestion has now been implemented!

So far it looks like kings, doges, dukes, priests, and mayors all have new ribbons and rings and there's a new government type icon! It's not clear yet but hopefully viceroys and tribes will also have new ribbons and rings.

 

[AchedTeacher]

I was looking for it!

 

[DeathBurst]

+1 to this thread, just to be a friendly remember for the devs to not stop halfway through

Things mentioned in this thread that we didn't see in the dev diary (but that may be already implemented, who knows...):
-- visual cue for rebels
-- visual cue for viceroyal titles
-- visual cue for head of religion (same as government type = clergy? What about Caliph/Filkyr?)
-- distinguish Patricians from other people with government type = merchant ?
EDIT: -- what about mercenaries and holy orders?

 

[AchedTeacher]

+1 to this thread, just to be a friendly remember for the devs to not stop halfway through

Things mentioned in this thread that we didn't see in the dev diary (but that may be already implemented, who knows...):
-- visual cue for rebels
-- visual cue for viceroyal titles
-- visual cue for head of religion (same as government type = clergy? What about Caliph/Filkyr?)
-- distinguish Patricians from other people with government type = merchant ?
EDIT: -- what about mercenaries and holy orders?

I think the viceroyal one is the most important one for clarity's sake.

 

[Dirt McStain]

If you have a count with a duke level viceroyalty, which one would make better sense:
1) Count border with a special viceroy decoration
2) Duke border with a special viceroy decoration
3) Some kind of intermediate border like a more spruced up count border or a pared down duke border

 

[AchedTeacher]

If you have a count with a duke level viceroyalty, which one would make better sense:
1) Count border with a special viceroy decoration
2) Duke border with a special viceroy decoration
3) Some kind of intermediate border like a more spruced up count border or a pared down duke border

An icon would be the clearest.

 

[Dirt McStain]

Will that icon only be visible on the character screen only, though? Where would you place it? What about the various character search screens, character interaction screens, battle, and war commander screens?

 

[klopkr]

What do you guys think the unimplemented/unknown rings/ribbons should be? I'm thinking something like this:

Viceroys - An unused colour like orange for a secondary ribbon next to the duke/doge/king one
Religious heads - A religious symbol (the keys and hat for the pope) at the top of the ring where the new dukal diamonds are
Rebels - Black ribbons
Great Dukes - Different fancier diamonds where the diamonds are
Patricians - The red patrician ribbon on the bronze ring
Cardinals - A red ribbon enveloping the white one
Mercenaries - A golden/yellow ribbon
Holy orders - A gold and a white ribbon

 

[DeathBurst]

Well, I don't mind the specifics, but I have nothing against the above proposition, except maybe one detail:
Is Tribal a property that is either true or false, or is it a kind of "government type" like feudal/theocracy/merchant/iqta/etc.?

If it is a government type, it shouldn't be a modification of a "regular" ribbon, it should be a full regular ribbon in itself.

 

[AchedTeacher]

Well, I don't mind the specifics, but I have nothing against the above proposition, except maybe one detail:
Is Tribal a property that is either true or false, or is it a kind of "government type" like feudal/theocracy/merchant/iqta/etc.?

If it is a government type, it shouldn't be a modification of a "regular" ribbon, it should be a full regular ribbon in itself.

It's a government type, at least for now. Not sure what the patch'll change.

 

[Lemont Elwood]

Maybe have it be that:
Ring color = Rank (bronze, silver, gold, engraved gold)
Ribbon color = Religion (by group)
Decoration = Government type

This is pretty similar to what you suggested and what Paradox is implementing, but should be a bit more versatile. The decoration would exist at the four ends of the ring, and could be:
Crown for feudalism
Diamonds for merchant republic
Scroll for inland republic
Sickle for peasant republic
Religious symbol for theocracy
Crossed swords for military order