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EDIT: Disclaimer: I only put here permanent modifiers, so no advisors, curia controler etc. Decisions aren't here, due to general level of difficulty of finding every one of them in order to properly compare hwich gives the biggest modifier. Too many countries have their own, unique decisions, so each of them would have to be checked. Sorry for that.
So, what are the theoretical limits of in-game bonuses? I decided to count most of them, only the ones that can be done permanently (aka no temporary effects, things like piety etc.), and without decisions (it's quite difficult to find all fo them, especially these country-specific). Shortly: using only ideas (both national and idea groups), traditions, ambitions, full idea group bonuses, policies, religions and government typess
Army Tradition: permanent 100 as Brandenburg with defensive and innovative ideas and war college, or any country with said ideas and building and quantity+humanist and quality+espionage policies.

Agressive expansion impact: -110%, as Hindu (with Shiva as PD) Rykyu with Influence ideas, Dip+eco policy and any 4 of these 5 policies: Dip+offensive, Espionage+expansion, influence+innovative, Aristocratic + Administrative, offensive+expansion

Accepted culture treshold: -110% England, with humanist ideas' plutocratic + humanist and humanist + diplomatic policies, and enlightened despotism gov type, trading with silk.

Advisors cost: - 98%, as colonial nation, with innovative ideas, influence+innovative, innovative+dip and innovative+plutocratic policies trading with tea.

Possible advisors: +4, as Vijayanagar, Palatinate, Shawnee, Krakow, Ajuuraan, Pskov, Chimu, Chachapoya, Client State, West African country or Aymar with adm and economic ideas being reformed.

Artillery combat ability: + 40% as Smolensk with Quality ideas and offensive+economy policy

Blockade Efficiency: +133%, as Oman with maritime ideas and naval+maritime policy

Building cost: -70% As Hindu (with Ganga as PD) Portugal, with economic ideas, aristocratic+expansion policy.

Building power cost: -450% as Hausa with quantity ideas trading with tropical wood.

Base Attrition for Enemies: +3: Dai Viet, Assam, Najd, Chickasaw, Shawnee, Afghan, Bosnia, Montenegro, Romania, Finland, Polotsk, Mapuche, Chachapoya, Armenia, Welsh, Charrua, Khiva, Berber, Divine, Central India or Siberia, Defensive (idea group), Quantity+Influence (policy).

Cavalry cost: -65% as Poland with Aristocratic and quantity ideas and expansion+defensive policy.

Cavalry combat ability: +73%, as Poland with aristocratic and quality ideas and Aristocratic+espionage policy

Colonists: +5, as Spain, Muscovy, Norway, USA, Inca or Maya with Exploration, Expansion and Quantity+expansion policy

Core-Creation cost: -68% as Hindu (with Shiva a PD) Ottomanns with administrative ideas (sidenote: tribal despotism gives another -10%, but I don't know if it's possible to change Ottos gov type to it. DDRJake only knows...)

Culture conversion cost: -75%, as Muscovy, with religious ideas, influence+religious policy and being an administrative republic.

Fort Defense: +143%, as Coptic France with defensive ideas and espionage+defensive, innovative+defensive, innovative+quantity, influence+defensive and influence+quantity policies trading with cofee.

Diplomatic annexion cost: -70%, as Naxos with inluence ideas, Influence+administrative and plutocratic+influence policies.

Diplomatic reputation: +14, as Austria, with diplomatic and influence ideas, being member of HRE (but not the emperor!) after the sixth reform and with 5 of these polices: innovative+diplomatic, aristocratic+exploartion, diplomatic+expansion, diplomatic+plutocratic, diplomatic+quality, humanist+influence, diplomatic+quantity or diplomatic+offensive trading with Ivory.

Diplomatic relations: +7 as any Shoguante (practically onyl Japan) with diplomatic, expansion and influence ideas. (sidenote: Not sure if it's possible, but Provence has a potential to move to Japan, form this country after culture shift, and get +9)

Diplomats: +8, as: Venice, Vijaynagara, Ayutthaya, Ragusa, Assam, Iroquis, Cherokee, Shawnee, Trebizod, Krakow, Bosnia, Karaman, Mapuche, Haussa, Circassia, Siddon, West African counries, with aristocratic, espionage and diplomatic ideas, embassy building, administrative+diplomatic, espionage+offensive and aristocratic+exploration polices.

Discipline: +37,5% as Hindu (with shakti as PD) Japan with Quality and offensive ideas, being absolute monarchy and having economic+quality and quality+religious policy.

Hostile core-creation cost: +260%, by Bohemia with aristocratic ideas, and diplomatic+defensive policy and embassy.

Envoy travel time: -100%, anyone with influence ideas and naval+diplomatic, administrative+diplomatic and diplomatic+quality policies.

Fabricate claim time: -53% as Papal state, Provence, Cyprus, Yaroslav, Polotsk or Naxos with influence ideas.

Leaders without an upkeep: +5, as England, Hungary, Ryukyu, Croatia, Kanem Bornu, Bosnia, Inca or Colonial Nation with Aristocratic an Innovative ideas, war college and admirality.

Galley combat ability: +75%, as Venice with naval ideas and maritime+quantity ideas.

Global Colonial growth: +105, as Spain or Native country, with exploration, expansion and these policies: administrative+exploration; expansion+exploration; exploration+plutocratic; Humanist+exploration; quanity+expansion.

Trade power abroad: +55%, as Venice, Genoa or Kurland with naval+trade and plutocratic+trade policies.

Missionary strenght against heretics (note: it's purely against heretic, without general missionary stranght): +7%, as Finland or Bulgaria with religious ideas and religious-offensive policy.

Missionary strenght against heretics (with global missionary stranght modifiers): +19% as Hindu (with Wishnu as PD) Najd with religious ideas, and policies: religious+espionage, religious+aristocratic, religious+diplomatic, religious+trade and religious+offensive.

Global manpower modifier: +210% as Russia or Ming with Quantity and aristocratic ideas and quantity+exploration and revolutionary empire government

Missionary strenght: +14%, as Hindu (with Wishnu as PD) Najd with religious ideas, and policies: religious+espionage, religious+aristocratic, religious+diplomatic, religious+trade.

Global regiment cost: -35% as Poland, Armenia or Colonial Nation with quantity idea, and expansion+defensive policy trading with iron.

Shipbuilding time: -40%, as Netherlands, Genoea, Oman, Raguse or Kurland with expansion ideas and maritime+economic and maritime+defensive policies

Global ship repair: +60%, as anyone, with maritime ideas and naval+administrative and naval+expansion policies

National spy defense: + 14560% as Venice or Dahomey with espionage ideas and any 5 of these polcies: Innovative+espionage, espionage+administrative, defensive+administrative, religious+espionage, espionage+plutocratic, espionage+expansion or exploration+defensive trading with tobacco.

Global tariffs: +110%, as Portugal with exploration ideas, and following policies: economic+exploration, influence+expansion, naval+expansion, exploration+religious and expansion+plutocratic trading with slaves.

National tax modifier: +60% as Protestant or hindu (with Surya as PD) England with Economic ideas, plutocratic+economic and administrative+plutocratic policies, being an oligarchic republic.

Goods produced nationally: +90%, as Pskov with Plutocratic and administrative ideas, and espionage+administrative, naval+economic, trade+quantity and religious+trade policies.

Natioanl trade income modifier: +95%, as Hindu (with Surya as PD) Netherlands with trade ideas, being a dutch republic, with these polcies: maritime+offensive, trade+administrative, innovative+trade, offensive+trade

Global Trade power: +80%, as Aragon, Italy or Gujarat with Expansion and trade ideas and exploration+innovative and diplomatic+expansion policies and merchant republic with traders faction.

National unrest: -12 as: Japan, Manchu, Lithuania, USA, The knights, Pskov, Client states, Ireland or Natives, plutocratic and humanist ideas and 5 of these policies: espionage+defensive; dfensive+religious; defensive+economic; humanist+offensive; humanist+espionage; plutocratic+influence trading with fish.

Heavy ship combat ability: +30% as England, Spain or Pomerania with naval ideas and innovative+maritime policy

Idea cost: -40% as: Milan, Ming, Mughals, Korea, Savoy, Granada, Cheerokee, Shawnee, Trebizod, Javan nations, Navarra, Aztecs, Polotsk, Inca, Wales, Bahmanis, Hamburg, Colonial Nations, Daimyos, Mesoamerican nations, Tibet, Aymar, Natives; while being protestant, having humanist ideas and humanist+trade policy.

Improve relations: +130%, as Yaroslav with diplomatic ideas and naval+diplomatic, diplomatic+plutocratic and humanist+influence policies.

Infantry combat ability: +50%, as Sweden or Prussia with quality ideas and innovative+quality policy

Interest per annum: -54, as Hindu (with Ganga as PD) Austria, Hansa, Tuscany, Gotland or Hamburg with economic and administrative ideas and innovative+trade policy.

Reduce inflation cost: -43% as Aragon with economic ideas.

Yearly inflation reduction: -0,25 as Netherlands, Colonial nations or Andeans, with economic ideas and Tax assessor building.

Land Attrition: -95% as Kongo or Horde (with horde ideas, not gov type), defensive ideas and quality+exploration and humanist+defensive ideas

Land forcelimit modifier: +198%, as Muscovy or Daimyo, with quantity and offensive, and diplomatic+offensive policy and economic+quantity and grain depot trading with grain.

Land maintenance modifier: -95% as Scotland, with defensive, economic and quantity ideas, and administrative+quantity policy and grain depot with merchan republic government with aristocratic faction trading with salt.

Morale of armies: +90%, as Shiite France or Brandenburg, with defensive and plutocratic ideas, quality+religious and religious+quantity plicies, and noble republic, dictatorship, merchant republic with aristocrats faction or revolutionary republic governments being a defender of the faith.

Land leader fire: +3, as Bohemia, Smolensk or Rajput with offensive ideas and expansion+quality policies.

Land leader maneuver: +4, as Shawnee with defensive ideas and quantity+exploration policy

Land leader shock: +4, as Sweden, Scotland, Manchu, Lithuania, Walachia, Ajuuraan, Air, Arawak, Mapuche, Charra, Hordes, Arabs or Tibet with Offensive and Aristocratic ideas and humanist+quantity policy.

Naval leader fire: +4, as Dutch with naval ideas and naval+innovative policy

Naval leader maneuver: +4 as Oman, Mogadishu or Suahili with maritime ideas and innovative+maritime policy.

Naval leader shock: +3, as anyone, with naval ideas and naval+religious policy

Leader siege: +2, as Nepal with innovative+offensive policy

Light ship cost: -35% as Hansa, norway, Oman, Novgorod, Mogadishu, Navarra, Sidon, Gujarat or Suahili with Maritime+plutocratic policy

Light ship combat ability: +35%, as Norway with maritime+plutocratic policy

Manpower recovery speed: +75%, as Sweden, Ottomans, Manchu, Iroquis, Georgia, Wallachia, Karaman, Romania, Hordes, Anatolia with Quantity ideas, constitutional monarchy and administrative+quantity and quality+exploration policies trading with cocoa.

Mercenary maintenance: -78% as Sweden, Burgundy, Wallachia, Smolensk, or Daimyo with administrative ideas trading with cloths.

Mercenary cost: -115%, as Huron with innovative and administrative ideas and espionage+quantity policy.

Merchants steering towards inland: + 95, as Air, Songhai, Persia, Hause with trade ideas, defensive+trade and naval+influence policies, being a merchant republic

Naval attrition: -85%, as Venice with quality ideas and humanist+maritime policy.

Naval Forcelimit modifier: +168%, as Netherlands, Denmark, Knights with Quantity, maritime and exploration ideas, and maritime+expansion policy trading with naval supplies.

Naval maintenance modifier: -63%, as Genoa with naval ideas and maritime+economic policy being a merchant republic with traders faction.

Naval morale: +55%, as Ibadi England, Norway, Genoa, Malaya with quality and naval ideas being a defender of the faith.

Available mercenaries: +225%, as Burgundy, Gotland or Vijayanagara with administrative and plutocratic ideas, and expionage+quantity policy.

Privateers efficiency: +53% as Naxos or knights wtih espionage

Production efficiency: +85% as Punjab with economic ideas, Aristocratic+innovative, humanist+aristocratic, naval+economic and trade+economic policies beind an administrative monarchy

Colonial range: +123% as Norway with exploration ideas and exploration+plutocratic and naval+exploration policies

Rebel support efficiency: +150%, as ireland with espionage ideas and espionage+econimic and espionage+humanist policies

Recovery army morale speed: +40%, as Pskov with quality ideas, and quality+administrative, religious+quantity, expansion+defensive and humanist+defensive policies

Recovery navy morale speed: +35%, as Naxos or Neapol, with quality ideas and religious+maritime, naval+espionage, naval+innovative, naval+religious and humanist+naval policies

Better relations over time: +143%, as hindu (with Ganesha as PD) Italy or Iroquis with humanist ideas and humanist+diplomatic and administrative+aristocratic policies

Religious unity: +175%, as Jaunpur, Bengal, Gujarat or indian sultanate, with humanist ideas and these policies: defensive+religious, religious+diplomatic, humanist+aristocratic, exploration+religious and religious+offensive.

Ship durability: +25%, as England, Denamrk or Korea, with naval ideas and maritime+offensive and humanist+naval policies.

Siege ability: +45%, as Hindu (with Shakti) Netherlands or Smolensk, with offensive ideas and innovative+offensive policies.

Spy offense: +85%, as Trebizod or Aztecs with espionage ideas and innovative+espionage, offensive+expansion and espionage+offensive policies trading with spices.

Stability cost modifier: -145%, as orthodox wales with religious ideas and defensive+economic, defensive+administrative, humanist+plutocratic and influeance+quality polcies, being bureaucratic despotism and fine arts academy trading with wine.

Technology cost: -37%, as Muscovy, France, Bohemia, Manchu, Cherokee or Lan Xang with plutocratic and innovative ideas, being the member of HRE after the first reform, with at least 25 members of HRE and with university.

Tolerance of heathens: +9: Buddist or Confucian Ottomans, Mughals, Granada, Bahmanias, Siddon, Jaunpur, Bengal, Gujarat, idian sultanate, wit humanist ideas, humanist+exploration policy and dictatorship government.

Tolerance of Heretics: +11: Reformed, Buddist or Confucian Lithuania, with humanist ideas, religious+plutocratic policy and revolutionary republic government.

Tolerance of true faith: +8. Coptic Byzantium, being a theocracy, with religious ideas.

Trade efficiency: +90%, Many countries
Venice, Genoa, Mamluks, Neapol, Hansa, Ragusa, Ryukyu, Mali, Javan nations, Navarra, Theodoro, Silesia, Danzig, Tarasca, Polotsk, Perm, Pommerania, Circassia, Bengal, Anatolia, Ireland, Suahili, Sumatra
, with trade ideas, being a constitutional republic, with trade+quality policy and 4 of these 5 policies: naval+administrative, trade+economic, trade+expansion, naval+trade, offensive+trade.

Trade range: +78%, Ryukyu with trade ideas and naval+exploration policies.

Trade steering: +103%, Oman with trade ideas, Trade+expansion and defensive+trade policies.

Unjustified demands: -85% as Creek or Siberians with influence ideas, being a despotic monarchy.

Subject forcelimit contribution: +175%, as Bosnia with Influence, influence+offensive, influence+economic and influence+aristocratic policies.

Income from vassals: +218%, by Persia, Timurids, Ayyuthaya, Kanem Bornu, Bosnia, Ashanti, Mesoamericans with influence and irostocratic ideas, offensive+administrative, influence+economic, influence+expansion and influence+quality policies being an iqta.

War exhaustion: -0.125: siberian with innovative being the Defender of The faith.

Cost of reducing war exhaustion: -116%, as Iroquis or Shawnee, with diplomatic and aristocratic ideas and influence+defensive ideas trading with sugar.

Years of nationalism: -25 as Timurids, Tarasca, Ashantim, Horde or Ruthenia with humanist ideas, humanist+offensive policy and constitional monarchy or administrative republic government.

Yearly republican tradition: +0,9 as Novgorod, USA, Hamburg, Colonial Nation or italy with plutocratic+economic and diplomatic+aristocratic.


Ok, that's all I did, for sure there are a few more, but I don't have the nerve for some of them/some are too general and low (like legitimacy, which is at max +2,2 but for a lot of countries, with only other modifiers being 2 polcies and being the member of HRE after the 3rd reform). Some of these limits are harder to get that WC, also I don't know the caps. But this list can be used for testing (I.e. rebel support efficiency to test how exactly does it work). Some I like pretty much since they require very strange combination (Shiite France, anyone? Maybe Ibadi England? So maybe Coptic, theocratic Bizantium?). on a side note: why does Byzantium has higher tolerance of true faith than Papal state?!

Ok, I know it's very long, but I hope it's worth reading, or at least checking some statistics. Anyhow, I'm open to You for pointing any mistakes I made.

EDITS: Mistakes pointed out in comments are put here ASAP.
 
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+1

+1444 in fact

this should be sticky thread or something like that


Also the only wrong stuff I have noticed:

+540% infantry combat ability? :D
 

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+1

+1444 in fact

this should be sticky thread or something like that


Also the only wrong stuff I have noticed:

+540% infantry combat ability? :D
Haha, thanks, fixed. A simple typo ofc :)
 

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Cool list!

Grain depot takes away another 10% :)
Thanks, also fixed. And it gives -10% land maintence, which I also oversaw.
 

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Embassy adds an often overlooked 10% hostile core-creation cost :D
Thanks again. I checked again buildings, and added moodifiers from fine art academy and university.
 

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The coring-cost minimum is actually -83% for the Ottomans, if the provinces being cored have Ottoman claims at the time of their being cored.

Likewise France's maximum fort defence would actually be +98% if a Fort Defence advisor is used. (It'd actually be +108% if Lucky, and presumably even more with Power Projection and other modifiers.) Alternatively, ignoring advisers, Luck and modifiers in general, a Fully Pious Muslim France with Defensive ideas would have +83% Fort Defence, no?

Quibbles aside, this is a ridiculously impressive list.
 

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Poland can into Stability -143% Stability Modifier

Nihil Nov 10
Declare Statute in Restraint of Appeals 10
Pass Suffragan Bishop Act 8
Muslim 0
Unify Islam 20
Imperial Integrity 10
The Nieszawa Privileges 20
Church Attendance Duty 25
Policies: Def+Economics, Def+ Quality 20
Bureaucratic Despotism 20
A couple others... 00
 
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The coring-cost minimum is actually -83% for the Ottomans, if the provinces being cored have Ottoman claims at the time of their being cored.

Likewise France's maximum fort defence would actually be +108% if a Fort Defence advisor is used. (It'd actually be +118% if Lucky, and presumably even more with Power Projection.) Alternatively, ignoring advisers and Luck, a Fully Pious Muslim France with Defensive ideas would have +83% Fort Defence, no?

Quibbles aside, this is a ridiculously impressive list.
As I stated at the begining, it's only permanent modifiers (they can be lost, like HRE things or loosing building, but they are not otherwise ended). Piety resets on every ruler, claims are "gone" after the province is conquered/after 25 years, advisors die. And luck is only for AI, maybe I should have written that it's only what player can theoretically get. Anyway, thanks :)
 

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Very fun list, though it seems like you missed a few things:

1) Trading-in bonuses don't appear to have made it in
2) Land Maintenance is missing -20% from War Taxes (If i correctly understand that it stacks with other maintenance modifiers
3) Technology cost doesn't include curia controller for an additional -5%
4) Stability cost modifier should be Poland only, with Nieszawa Privileges.
5) Religious based decisions appear to be missing in some places (like national tax modifier and stability cost modifier)


Edit:
Apparently I got too excited reading the list to notice that you explicitly didn't include any "temporary" effects, though many of these can be quite easily be made at least fairly permanent by the player.
 

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Very fun list, though it seems like you missed a few things:

1) Trading-in bonuses don't appear to have made it in
2) Land Maintenance is missing -20% from War Taxes (If i correctly understand that it stacks with other maintenance modifiers
3) Technology cost doesn't include curia controller for an additional -5%
4) Stability cost modifier should be Poland only, with Nieszawa Privileges.
5) Religious based decisions appear to be missing in some places (like national tax modifier and stability cost modifier)
It's only permanent bonuses, or semi-permanent (possible to loose/revoke, but very stable if the player is willing (keeping policies, haveing at least 25 members in HRE etc)). War taxes and curia controler are non-permanents, decisions are not in there in general (too hard for me to check every countries decisions, and if they are permanent).
 

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Shouldn't Milan be on the ideas cost list? They get a 10% discount on monarch points for that.
 

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I believe the minimum culture acceptance threshold is at 1%, which was changed after a guy got it to 0% as england. Might be wrong.
 

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War Exhaustion? Ryazan + Innovative + Defender of the Faith probably.
 

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War Exhaustion? Ryazan + Innovative + Defender of the Faith probably.
Thats good idea to add. Actually, it's siberian nations, they get -0,05, while ryazan only -0,02. Anyway, I'm also addin few other modifiers.
 

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Wow, great work.

Mercenary cost: -115%, as Huron with innovative and administrative ideas and espionage+quantity policy.
If you pull this off as Huron you can have free standing armies for all I care :rofl:

Income from vassals: +218%, by Persia, Timurids, Ayyuthaya, Kanem Bornu, Bosnia, Ashanti, Mesoamericans with influence and irostocratic ideas, offensive+administrative, influence+economic, influence+expansion and influence+quality policies being an iqta.
The nation that vassalizes these nations sure is lucky.
 

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You missed out on interest per annum, and inflation reduction.

Ipa- Tuscany, Austria, Gotland, Hamburg, The Hansa, Israel

Inflation Reduction- Knights Templar, Netherlands, Colonial