Puritan Pilgrim Colonist icon is Reformed but America historically painted Protestant?

[mplayerd]

I got 1,000 hours on EU4 or CK2. I love the game. Does anyone figure whether or not Paradox Interactive got told what to do "HIstorically" even concerning the Reformed Christians that settled America? Its a historical cover up to punish the Reformed Religion. Have people looked up that it was in Fact Dutch , Scottish, Reformed English, at the outset and America is colored Reformed historically, but we are subscribing to a very broad theory of relativism to undercut Reformed religion in America? The English Church no longer the Reformed extreme of the English called Puritan and left for AMerica for Liberty? Just Curious!
We know that the Civil War involved Religious issues and also the Dwight Eisenhower's first address attacked slavery and indigenous religious groups. Still, being a history game, mixed protestantism involves the Anglicans which got changed, or Lutherans?

To rephrase, the Puritan Pilgrims wanted to complete the Reformation of the Church of England and left for America and are Reformed Distinctly not Protestant just like the Puritan Pilgrim icon when they leave for America.

Oops! Edit. I misspoke. It seems they Do note the Puritan Pilgrims of Massachussettes of course, and most people know the Dutch settlement south of that, I don't have much reason to be upset. A Very Strictly Speaking placement of the Reformed settlement, of course!

 

[Aragtago]

Are you suggesting an anti-reform conspiracy in a broad general imperfect game we play? That surely can't be it. That would just be ridiculous, and you wouldn't make a topic so ridiculous, right?

I don't think this is very helpful at anything other than trying to stir up a controversy where there isn't and shouldn't be one. Seriously. Believe what you want to believe. No one is trying to convert or diminish your religion in a game.

Edit: Huh? Dude. Kinda creepy with that reply.

 

[mplayerd]

Are you suggesting an anti-reform conspiracy in a broad general imperfect game we play? That surely can't be it. That would just be ridiculous, and you wouldn't make a topic so ridiculous, right?

I don't think this is very helpful at anything other than trying to stir up a controversy where there isn't and shouldn't be one. Seriously. Believe what you want to believe. No one is trying to convert or diminish your religion in a game.

Very good way to put it aragtago. Love Paradox, I heard they're out of Sweden, the historian generally feels British on my version. We could play marbles for all I care. I noticed on Tropico 5 the Colonial era settlers are dressed in the Puritan era dress, black with white collars. The Colonist icon being a Puritan Pilgrim would be typical.
I am Also a historian to have read Reformed reverends in many of the states heading toward the US Civil War in which you notice the American date of 1652 of a colonial US under Reformed law with Oliver Cromwell, in league with Scotland, America shares with the Church of England and Church of Scotland in a Westminster Confession. We're under dire persecution and censorship in the States, you understand what Censorship is, don't you? Its silence, its 8 million presbyterians in 1950 and 2 million in 2000 silence.

 

[deathbypie]

This is very hard follow, and I am not convinced this thread was created by a human. It seems various phrases determined by some algorithm to be related and then mashed together into paragraphs. Mostly drawn from conspiracy theories, I guess?

There is another recently created thread that also makes me doubt a human wrote it, so I am a bit confused today.

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[Don_Quigleone]

This is a troll, don't feed it. The lack of any coherent sentences should have clued you in.

Mods should lock the thread.

 

[Blk82]

The base game of EUIV confounds Lutheranism and Anglicanism (mainly because Anglicanism would be, by definition, confined to England/Great Britain.) All of the state churches in the 13 colonies outside of New England had Anglican state-churches, or no state church at all, such as in Pennsylvania. Historically, much of the back country of the 13 colonies has Reformed, but "Protestantism" would probably constitute a majority anywhere outside of New England and the Hudson valley.

 

[mplayerd]

No, I'm not retarded. you see Korean Presbyterians coming to America and the National Thanksgiving is relatable to National Chuseok, or National Foundation Day, and look it was separated with original definitions of Nationality like any of them, with Westminster Confession and descriptive equivalent National histories. That's the Church of Korea confirmed by all the world in the Reformation... Now tell them to watch Aretha Franklin and we're all an old English Oliver Cromwellian? We all verily thee ol' country of the Puritan Pilgrims? They are "natives" of America, the first Korean is here in 1901? They identify no homeland but the United States? The citizenship doesn't change homeland, so they told me.
They got a very retarded government, if you read the lies all day there's no way to even survive the encounter.

The 1st moderator John Witherspoon is a good read. The Religious Character of the Revolution is unquestionable, especially next to a French Revolution, a Oliver Cromwellian Revolution. The Anglicans fled, swam across the pond, back to England, obviously. Obviously it is a direct challenge to the head of their Church, the Monarch. They factually had no leadership here, George Washington factually was opposed by that priesthood. Presbyterians factually were the Minister of Continental Congress. Most officers required to be confirmed Anglicans in the British Empire.

"Protestantism" and "Reformationism" fun with words, Anglican is not a Theology, search this, its the compromise enforcing the Reformed and Catholic position to Monarch's Supremacy, its a "Bridge Church", its a "holding cell" I'll say. So thats how some left later, the Puritans on Reformed theology.

They need to be heading Toward the Orthodox not away from them, that'd be very Calvinist of them. Woodrow Wilson and the free Balkans and the League of Nations, Wilsonian Pontus. The Big News story here is that someone ascended the Pentarchy to Pope and the Whole Nicene Church requires Reformation, what else is it to be? Its inalienable.

 

[Blk82]

Are you a native English speaker? I have the feeling that this is translated by a computer, and I am barely even able to understand what you are saying.

With regards to how EUIV shows religion in the USA, it does have some issues. I would grant that the back country probably should have some Reformed provinces. However, this is not due to a conspiracy by Semi-Papist Lutherans to deny that the Reformed religion existed.

America always had a high level of religious diversity, and more so after the American Revolution. Determining which provinces should be which religion is a difficult task. Due to Lutherans, Anglicans, Reformed, Catholics and others (such as Quakers) living in the same area, many of the provinces would have no religious majority. Depending on how "Protestantism" is defined, rather or it it includes Anglicanism, could affect the plurality religion in any given province.

The base game considers Anglicans, Hussites, Methodists, and the like the to "protestant" along the Lutherans. The Anglican religion is a poorly implemented afterthought that is locked behind DLC. Even with it enabled, the game history shows England as being protestant. With that definition, most American provinces would have a Protestant plurality.

 

[Chazb5046]

FYI Anglicanism is still the official state religion of one of the original 13 colonies

 

[newtlord]

Note that Anglicanism does not appear at all in the history files. Since Anglicanism is only playable with a DLC, and the history files are not designed to allow multiple setups for different DLCs, provinces and nations that historically followed the Church of England are coded as Protestant so as to be playable for everyone.

 

[gigau]

You may want to discuss the religious setup in the game, especially the different branches of Protestantism and Reformation. Please avoid waving words like conspiracy. This is a game, not a political board.

 

[mplayerd]

My only native language is English, certainly. The question isn't necessary. Unless I start using the word Bonnie to mean pretty, which is very Scottish. I've learned Bonnie is Scottish for pretty, which makes me multilingual, a renaissance man, cosmopolitan, and egalitarian.
People do their ancestors religion without question, you say? Presbyterian Americans is often a conversion, public wide conversion, whats wrong with that? History is History and no other substitute, I found Presbyterianism!
What state is that chasb, I couldn't find it? Anglicanism? Like gigau said, yes hours are in political discussions.
I had a simple spot where I said the Clergy Leadership of the Continental Congress was John Witherspoon the first moderator of the Presbyterian Church between 1776 and 1789 no constitution is written. Where is any technical argument of not coloring the rulership of the United States as Reformed? That is the Government, Continental Congress, that is their religion. Light Blue Please. 0% conversion, religious liberty.

 

[Don_Quigleone]

It's hilarious that you all are responding seriously to this thread. The OP is trolling you all, and isn't saying anything at all. It's just nonsense strung together unrelated sentences and thoughts. I'd almost describe it as avant garde.

 

[mplayerd]

Exactly what Don said! Lets stop responding and make sure the Don troll doesn't come back please...

 

[Zaddy]

These posts are what happen if you train an AI on 100000 EU4 forums posts and then unleash it, I think

 

[deathbypie]

These posts are what happen if you train an AI on 100000 EU4 forums posts and then unleash it, I think

That's why I like it. It's interesting. It COULD just be a troll, or it could be a fairly bad ai. But bots are easily capable of doing this.

It's honestly one of my favourite topics, because as time goes on it gets harder and harder to tell if a bot online even is a bot. Apparently there was some bot interacting with people for a week on reddit recently that convinced quite a few people.

Soon I will be wondering if I am a bot.

 

[newtlord]

It's honestly one of my favourite topics, because as time goes on it gets harder and harder to tell if a bot online even is a bot.

It would be a lot easier if there weren't also genuine humans who make posts indistinguishable from nonsense.

 

[mplayerd]

I'm entirely not a bot. Hey,
get legacy of Rome,
go for the Puritan Iconoclast religion,
don't re-establish the iconoclast pentarchy,
did you know the schism is disagreement with these pope/patriarchs whatever they try to call themselves? mend schism with effort or Event ID,
enjoy religion screen with the country representatives listed, get the John Calvin achievement.
Makes you wonder how still today barbarians follow unhumble, stubborn, mystics that don't care about you, and we foul up following the administrative, ecumenical, peacemakers. People are happy with joke religions today. Its the man in the white robe! He's so much taller than us in Dividing Christians from Christians!
They'll reunite Christianity when? They could do it over cellphone, they don't do it. They like Catholic-Orthodox names, are they attached to their names, right? No they're made up to show you they're crazy warlike idiots you follow today, an academic gave you those names for it.

 

[Battlex]

Note that Anglicanism does not appear at all in the history files. Since Anglicanism is only playable with a DLC, and the history files are not designed to allow multiple setups for different DLCs, provinces and nations that historically followed the Church of England are coded as Protestant so as to be playable for everyone.

Can qing load with banners raised?

 

[mplayerd]

Can qing load with banners raised?

I can't help here. I didn't understand either topic. In fact, I never bought that DLC. Have either of you considered the tiny presence of Reformed Religion in America and the Colonist Symbol is a Puritan Pilgrim Reformed Religion?
Looking into Alabama's flag shows meaning in the Reformed Religion , Spirit of Independence/Courage. Following my steps shows off Independence, in fact the states seem lazy enough in a Iconoclast non-pentarchy Europe to not have a representative sometimes. CK2 play Byzantines, religion iconoclast, event LoR.210. Not too sure what else the Reformation needs, anyway?