Pure rage at last minute westernisation

[Ceranai]

So in my current WC run I directly control most of the world and ndirectly control almost all the rest. However with 80 years on the clock ming has westernised despite me protectorating them earlier in the game. I went from almost finished to 'not sure if its worth playing on'


so close but so far QQ

 

[ParadogsGamer]

There's nothing like a good WC run, with all it's lumps and bumps a long the way heh?

 

[Ceranai]

There's nothing like a good WC run, with all it's lumps and bumps a long the way heh?

Is it even possible to eat china in 70 years, i have no other large nations left

 

[Boodas]

If you truce break and eat the overextension. Yes. Alternatively you could conquor all the land then release ming as a vassal

 

[ParadogsGamer]

Yep. Continuous wars back to back should do the trick. Can you eat the stab hits?

 

[Sunspawn]

Why not release one of the chinese tribes (Zhou and the like) to feed?

 

[Path]

Chinese autonomy and admin efficiency will make it trivial, so if that's all you have left to do then you're good.

 

[Panzerschiffe]

Why not release one of the chinese tribes (Zhou and the like) to feed?

I wonder if the cores haven't expired for those this late in the game

 

[domcoates]

i would just take the stab hits regardless - national focus on admin then conquer take conquer take

 

[MeatPirate]

I wonder if the cores haven't expired for those this late in the game

Zhou is primary culture of Canton, so they don't expire without conversion which I've never seen Ming do. Same is true of Shan and Han culture.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Truce break + protectorate feed to keep OE down so you can keep doing it. Assault occupy the provinces. You can cover a surprising amount of ground if you need to do it. I had all of Ming in vassal hands in about 60 years as Manchu in 1.7...at game start. With ADM efficiency? It won't even be close. Just hope others aren't also westernizing.

 

[hajutze]

I am not sure if he even needs truce breaking, I remember eating China in pretty much 70-80 years in my Theodoro campaign ... Directly ... Cored it all. So I did it the hard way, surely it should be easier if you use some .. smart tactics.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I am not sure if he even needs truce breaking, I remember eating China in pretty much 70-80 years in my Theodoro campaign ... Directly ... Cored it all. So I did it the hard way, surely it should be easier if you use some .. smart tactics.

If he's in a situation where Ming can westernize and it's his last target, the real question becomes "who else can westernize?" The less time he does it, the less he leaves to chance.

 

[lordelenath]

LA won't be that high anymore though, because they lose their 50% malus after westernizing.

 

[calvinhobbeslik]

LA won't be that high anymore though, because they lose their 50% malus after westernizing.

Right, but the LA doesn't instantly drop to 0, so it's still be high for a while.

 

[bbqftw]

I was going to mention that one of the message settings I set for my WC game was to pause the game and pop up upon any country starting to Westernize, but then again, it didn't work.

Ming with admin efficiency shouldn't be too bad, the problem is if you brought any princes along to core him.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

LA won't be that high anymore though, because they lose their 50% malus after westernizing.

late game with adm efficiency you can still go very quickly.

 

[Ceranai]

Yea my game used to tell me when a nation started to westernise, now I just have to keep a vigilant watch against it. As an update (im still playing with speed 1) its 65 years left, says i can 143% warscore ming however my admin points is really low, my overextension is around 100 and several other nations have now westernised off ming (manchu, die viet, mongolia)