Public Beta Input - Task #4: Text Errors and Text Translations

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I'm not sure. If you didn't have the problem for beat (i.e the translation was correct in your 1.04a) then it shouldn't be necessary. If you were having issues with 1.04a then yes, please do.


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Incidentally, I still need a German translation for that 3rd set of event texts please.

 

[Kliwarrior]

here is a list of ACTUAL (not fictional) dynasties that were political/ruling forces in the italian regions during the game timespan.

don't worry
I want just to says that my list is not fictional ( for each of them i can show a name of at least a real person, who lived in 1200-1350 )

Anyway some surnames are the same and the two lists could also be combined together

Just for Ezzelino i have some issues. Given the province you are referring, I think you are referring to the Da Romano, lieges of the "marca Trevigiana" (Ezzelino was perhaos the most famous of them ).

Completely OT: your signature.
I knew a "semper pro bono viro" before "omnia mala...." , and I wasn't aware of the last sentence (sine contactu..)
It was nice to read that again after so long time

 

[ReD_SeNTEnZa]

I'm not sure. If you didn't have the problem for beat (i.e the translation was correct in your 1.04a) then it shouldn't be necessary. If you were having issues with 1.04a then yes, please do.


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Incidentally, I still need a German translation for that 3rd set of event texts please.

yep, you're right all text in text.csv and other text file are translated, but I think I've sawn some english-french mixes during the game... I'll play a while and see wether i was drunk or too tired :rofl:

 

[ReD_SeNTEnZa]

OK, i've found a mix text with french and english :

- When Pope dies, the text of the box says (with french version) :

A new pope has been elected
XXX Pape de Papal States
has passed away and the curia has elected:
XXX êvèque de XXX
as the new Pope

in red : english text untranslated


i've found the translation in the extra_text.csv (lignes 99 to 106), but it doesn't seems to work
Same problem with the election of a new papal controller.



other stuff:

in the message option (in the f10 screen), some of the message option are in french, and some in english (this is not of a major importance, i know, but ...)
the sentence untranslated are :

When a character gets a new claim
messsages concerning Alliances (3)
election of Pope and Papal controller (2)


in game
- Piety modifier : on the piety figure (right left corner) : the -1 from traits due to the excomunicated trait is untranslated in the french version

 

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That looks like an error that might have happened in localization, or it might be that it's something that is a result of the fact that the public beta is an english language set and it's overwriting the former translatins.

I *think* what happens when official patches are released is that the betas and/or translators provide all the correct versions for all languages that the game is distributed under and that the correct language is placed in the first column of the csv (with all other languates bening deleted). So (I think) the French version of the official release (something like 1.04a or a futuere 1.05) would only contain the French text and all the other laguages would be deleted.

So my guess is that since we're using an english-version of the extra_text.csv in beta, any event or message that uses text from that file will be in English, but that any values inserted into those events that pulls strings from the event_text.csv or text.csv (or any of the other ones that haven't changed) will remain in the original language of your version.

(I wonder if that explanation makes any sense? )

Net result is (I think) that this will continue to display like that until we release an official 1.05 and the appropriate translations are applied at the localisation level.

I'll check that with Johan, but I think that's probably the case, in which event things will look pretty strange for you until there's a 1.05.

 

[ReD_SeNTEnZa]

I'll check that with Johan, but I think that's probably the case, in which event things will look pretty strange for you until there's a 1.05.

Thxs for answering

Do I stop mentioning the incorrect string for the translation, or is it usefull to you (or just bothering )??

 

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Mr. T, I have edited the Spanish translation of events about pagan subjects and Diocese Bishop's attempts to convert heathens (EVT_5900_NAME...), to add minor corrections asked by Spanish players.

Please update your patch if you applied prior translation.

 

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Thxs for answering

Do I stop mentioning the incorrect string for the translation, or is it usefull to you (or just bothering )??

If you were having a problem with a string in the 1.04a release (the last official non-beta one) then definitely let me know because we can fix those for 1.05. If it's a text string coming from one of the 3 revised csv files in the beta patch then it won't update to your language version until the official release of 1.05.

 

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Mr. T, I have edited the Spanish translation of events about pagan subjects and Diocese Bishop's attempts to convert heathens (EVT_5900_NAME...), to add minor corrections asked by Spanish players.

Please update your patch if you applied prior translation.

Thanks. I'll update my master copy.

 

[Magis]

don't worry
I want just to says that my list is not fictional ( for each of them i can show a name of at least a real person, who lived in 1200-1350 )

Anyway some surnames are the same and the two lists could also be combined together

Just for Ezzelino i have some issues. Given the province you are referring, I think you are referring to the Da Romano, lieges of the "marca Trevigiana" (Ezzelino was perhaos the most famous of them ).

Completely OT: your signature.
I knew a "semper pro bono viro" before "omnia mala...." , and I wasn't aware of the last sentence (sine contactu..)
It was nice to read that again after so long time

Yep, it's the Da Romano, even if the original family name was Ezzelini. Soon after the founder of the dinasty, Ecelo (a german soldier who obtained the castles of Onara and Romano from the Emperor Conrad II in 1036), the family name changed to Da Onara and then Da Romano.

Yep, the lists could be easily combined together. Once the game is more definite, it would be nice to add some "italian" flavour events and mods... what do you think?

OT: hehehehe, in che uni sei andato?

Gaudeamus Igitur
Iuvenes dum sumus!
Post iucundam iuventutem,
Post molestam senectutem
Nos habebit humus

 

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In my first post there's an error (336 line). Here the right translation:

336 - KRAI;Krain;;;;;;;;;;X --> KRAI;Carniola;;;;;;;;;;X

 

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In the English text there are two things that look strange.
The attribute "Naive [whatever]" appears as naive wirepuller in the window text but as naive puppetmaster on the action button (or is it vice versa?). The word "wirepuller" isn't used to suggest puppetry in English - puppets are on "strings" rather than "wires"... use of wires suggests nothing - except perhaps bomb disposal. If the pulling description is preferred, I would suggest "string puller". "Puppeteer" is a gender neutral word which might also be used.
Also a "deal breaker" is something that prevents deals being done. I think the expression you want is "deal broker"

 

[King of Men]

I have gone through the trait_names file, and by Jove, it needed a native speaker of English. I found two - count 'em, two - traits that didn't have some minor mistake or flaw in it, and several traits with truly major howlers. I suggest corrections in the following format : First I quote the original text; then I give my suggestion for new text, with alterations in bold. Then I give my comments or reasoning, in italic. Not all my suggestions are matters of simple spelling errors; a lot is style, and might be disagreed with.

Chaste
The Character is monogamous, or faithful to his or her spouse
exclusively. Chastity does not always require virginity - a man being
faithful to his wife is being chaste. A chaste character has a modest
and reserved behaviour. An extremely Chaste individual may have
difficulty yielding many heirs.

The character is monogamous, or faithful to his or her spouse
exclusively. Chastity does not always require virginity - a man being
faithful to his wife is being chaste. A chaste character has a modest
and reserved behaviour. An extremely Chaste individual may have
difficulty acquiring many heirs.

'Yielding' is certainly the wrong word. I would prefer 'siring',
but that is not gender-neutral. 'Acquiring' seems a reasonable compromise.

Lustful
The Character indulges in sexual gratification and does not hold back
from their carnal passions. Considered something of a virtue among the
polytheistic religions, in contrast. This will no doubt cause problems
with the institution of Christian marriage, as staying monogomous is
beyond this character. A lustful character though will rarely run out
of heirs.

The character indulges in sexual gratification and does not hold back
from carnal passions. Though considered something of a virtue among the
polytheistic religions, this will cause problems
with the institution of Christian marriage. Staying monogamous is
beyond this person. A lustful character, though, will rarely run out
of heirs.

'Their' is clumsy and in this case redundant. What is that full
stop doing after 'in contrast'? But those two sentences need
rewriting anyway. In the last sentence, commas are needed.

Energetic
The Character is a very active person with boundless amounts of vigour
and has great work ethic. These are the characters that worked
extremely hard at all tasks they became involved with. The comparable
Christian virtue is Industry. The character is regarded as
hard-working and reliable.

The character is a very active person with boundless amounts of vigour
and a powerful work ethic. These characters work
extremely hard at all tasks they begin. The comparable
Christian virtue is Industry. The character is regarded as
hard-working and reliable.

Shifting tense within one paragraph is a bit inelegant. 'Great' is
colloquial and doesn't really fit. 'Became involved with' is rather
wordy.

Lazy
The Character is the opposite of energetic, and does the least about
of work possible. Characters that spend their time in
idle tasks and are generally wasteful and a drain on others and the
economy. Never was a great individual lazy.

The character is the opposite of energetic, and does the least
amount of work possible. He or she spends their time in idle tasks and are generally wasteful and a drain on others. No
truly great individual can be lazy.

Although the capitalisation of 'character' is consistent, it is
still wrong; nouns are not capitalised in English. 'About' is an
obvious mistake. I dislike the change from the specific ('The
character') to the general ('Characters') within one paragraph. 'and
the economy' doesn't really fit the context of a medieval game, though
this of course is just my opinion. The final sentence strikes me as a
bit oddly worded.

Forgiving
The Character can take insult without injury, and he or she is
unlikely to seek revenge for such slights on their character. They
tend to be calm individuals who would rather use reason and temperance
to solve conflicts.

The character can take insult with equianimity, and is
unlikely to seek revenge for such slights. They
tend to be calm individuals who would rather use reason and temperance
to solve conflicts.

'take insult without injury' does not make sense. 'Without
regarding it as an injury' does, but is rather lengthy. I dislike the
construction 'he or she', and in this case it is happily redundant,
since it is clear whom the verb refers to. 'on their character' is
redundant and repetitive.

Vengeful
The Character has a low tolerance for insults or slights performed
against them. As the name suggests, the character is prone to seeking
and wasting alot of time plotting revenge against those that ruffled
their feathers. Characters with this trait tend to be less inclined to
the right thing, and do not concern themself with Christ's example.

The character has a low tolerance for insults or
slights. As the name suggests, the character is prone to seeking
revenge, wasting a lot of time plotting against those that ruffle
their feathers. Characters with this trait tend to be less inclined to
do the right thing, and do not concern themselves with
Christ's example.


'performed against them' is redundant; out it goes. In 'seeking and
wasting', both verbs seem to refer to 'time,' which was obviously not
intended. I prefer to use the present tense throughout the
sentence. 'Themself' is not a word.

Generous
The Character has a big heart and shows it with words and actions. The
charitable nature of this character adds to their image as a gracious
and great person. They tend to be soft and emotional, holding them
back at times in positions of power compromising their ability to make
decisions impartially.

The character has a big heart and shows it in word and
action. Such a charitable nature adds to the image of a gracious
and great person. They tend to be soft and emotional, holding them
back at times in positions of power by compromising their ability to make decisions impartially.

This is a matter of style, but 'in word and action' just rings
better in my ear. I dislike the frequent repetition of 'character',
especially since it refers both to 'this person' and 'this type';
hence the rewrite to avoid it, along with the clumsy 'their'.
My version is also shorter, always an advantage.

Selfish
The Character displays the desire to acquire material wealth and
luxury items. The character spends their days seeking to acquire the
material things in life, while sometimes compromising their ability to
rule or govern and get along with others.

The character desires material wealth and
luxury items. They spend their days seeking to acquire the
good things in life, sometimes compromising their ability to
rule or govern and get along with others.

'displays the desire to acquire' is very wordy when a simple
'desires' will do. Brevity is the soul of wit! In
the next sentence, we've already had a 'the character' in this
paragraph, and I want to avoid the repetition. 'They' also has the
advantage of being short. 'While' is redundant.

Honest
The Character is truthful and impartial to deception. He or she is
said to have integrity and to be trustworthy and reliable.

The character is truthful and averse to deception. He or she is
said to have integrity and to be trustworthy and reliable.

'Impartial to deception' does not make sense; perhaps 'not partial
to' was meant? Unfortunately that is not the usual meaning of
'impartial'.

Deceitful
The Character is very likely to distort the truth to his or her own
benefit. The character seeks to bend reality to suit his or her own
selfish goals or imperatives.

The character is very likely to distort the truth to his or her own
benefit. They seek to bend reality to suit their own
goals or imperatives.

'Selfish' is redundant, and possibly not accurate; it is perfectly
possible to be deceitful in an altruistic cause. Again I want to avoid
repeating 'the character'.

Just
The Character is capable of telling what is right and wrong given his
or her culture and religion, and is desirous of making judgement on
that information. He or she is often called fair and impartial.

The character knows what is right and wrong given his
or her culture and religion, and is desirous of making judgement on
that information. He or she is often called fair and impartial.

Again, brevity.

Arbitrary
The Character has no concern for what is right or wrong, and relies
heavily on other's opinions and advice on making important
decisions. They are considered to be weak willed and incompetent.

The character has no concern for what is right or wrong, and relies
heavily on the opinions and advice of others in making important
decisions. They are considered to be weak willed and incompetent.

My pet hate : Apostrophes! There is no genetive of 'others'.

Merciful
The Character is willing to extend unusual pity or aid to others. This
includes sparing an enemy, giving money to the poor, helping the weak,
and any other act that is not expected of one's rank and station. He
or she is often called compassionate.

The character extends unusual pity or aid to others. This
includes sparing an enemy, giving money to the poor, helping the weak,
and any other act that is not expected of one's rank and station. He
or she is often called compassionate.

Brevity.

Cruel
The Character disregard the feelings and needs of others, or lack
sympathy. Some characters even enjoy other's discomforts and troubles.

The character disregards the feelings and needs of others, or lacks sympathy. Some characters even enjoy the discomforts and troubles of others.

Again with the apostrophe, and why the sudden lack of singular endings?

Modest
The Character is a quiet and private individual, never seeking the
spotlight. This character finds no pleasure in praise or compliments
and does what they can to avoid or downplay it. He or she is often
called humble and reserved, perhaps even shy.

The character is a quiet and private individual, never seeking the
spotlight. They find no pleasure in praise or compliments
and do what they can to avoid or downplay it. He or she is often
called humble and reserved, perhaps even shy.

As usual, I dislike the repetition.

Proud
The Character is the opposite of Modest. This character enjoys praise
and compliments. They are seen to be boastful, arrogant and
self-absorbed.

The character is the opposite of Modest. They enjoy praise
and compliments. They are seen to be boastful, arrogant and
self-absorbed.

Same again.

Zealous
The Character is a devout religious believer. This character is very
concerned with scripture and his or her own religious
convictions. Sometimes they are radical and seek to force others to
their viewpoint, even at the tip of the sword if need be.

The character is devoutly religious, and very
concerned with scripture and his or her own religious
convictions. Sometimes they are radical and seek to force others to
their viewpoint, even at sword's point.

Wordiness bad, brevity good. 'tip of the sword' is not right; a
sword has a point, not a tip.

Sceptical
The Character is not someone that will fall upon their scriptures for
guidance. This person actually on occasion has challenged their
religious beliefs and asked probing questions into the word of their
God. This person enjoys debate on such matters, but keeps it within a
close circle of peers as to not ruffle the feathers of the clergy.

The character does not rely upon Scripture for
guidance. This person has, on occasion, actually challenged their
religious beliefs and asked probing questions into the word of their
God. They enjoy debate on such matters, but keep it within a
close circle of peers so as not to ruffle the feathers of the clergy.

'Fall upon scriptures' does not make sense, and the indirection of
the sentence is annoying anyway. The word order rings wrong to me, in
particular the split infinitive.

Wise
The Character gives great thought to what they do before acting or
saying something. An intellectual, the character enjoys thinking and
pondering the best course of action in all things. Introverted and
sincere, this person rarely lets their emotions get the upperhand in
decision making.

The character gives great thought to what they do before acting or
saying something. An intellectual, the character enjoys thinking and
pondering the best course of action in all things. Introverted and
sincere, this person rarely lets emotions get the upper hand in
decision making.

Almost perfect. The final 'their' is unnecessary, and 'upperhand'
should be two words.

Reckless
The Character routinely acts before they think. Preferring instead to
lash out or do as they please without concern for consequences.

The character routinely acts before they think, preferring to
lash out or do as they please without concern for consequences.

'Preferring instead' of what? Not a complete sentence.

Temperate
The Character is self-restrained and is content with the basics of
life. This character does nothing to excess, seeing it as wrong or
evil.

The character is self-restrained and content with the basics of
life. This character does nothing to excess, seeing it as wrong or
evil.

No need to repeat 'is'.

Indulgent
The character has no qualms about enjoying and lusting after whatever
they want. Ranging from the carnal delights or an expensive taste in
wine, they tend to do everything in great excess, gorging themself
with food and drink or losing themself in sexual escapades.

The character has no qualms about enjoying and lusting after whatever
they want. Whether the carnal delights or an expensive taste in
wine, they tend to do everything in great excess, gorging themselves
with food and drink or losing themselves in sexual escapades.

A 'from' usually implies a 'to', but the sentence makes better
sense with 'whether' in any case. 'Themself' is still not a word.

Trusting
The Character takes what is said from people to be the truth more
often than not. In these turbulent times, trusting all and anyone is a
very poor idea. Having a healthy dose of suspicion and being wary of
signing their name to every deal offered them is something they need
to work on.

The character takes what is said by people as the truth more
often than not. But in these turbulent times, trusting every Jack, Dick and Harry is a very poor idea. A healthy dose of suspicion
and wariness of signing their name to every deal offered them is
something they need to work on.

'Said from people' does not make sense. 'All and anyone' sounds
like a literal translation of Swedish 'alle og enhver', which
unfortunately does not exist in English. 'having' and 'being' are not
necessary when the referent alone will serve.

Suspicious
The Character is very wary of what is said by others. While being
suspicious is a good trait for a leader in these times to have, being
too suspicious is going to lead to jealousy and ineffective decision
making as the ruler may become so involved with rooting out
conspiracies and plots they devote nothing to governance.

The character is very wary of what is said by others. While being
suspicious is a good trait for a leader in these times to have, being
too suspicious may lead to jealousy and ineffective decision
making, as the ruler may become so involved with rooting out
conspiracies and plots that they devote nothing to governance.

'is going to' is clumsy.

Valorous
The Character is brave and courageous and is willing to place themself
in harm's way to achieve an end, regardless of the danger
involved. This character is glorified as the true knight, and is a
great warrior. Richard the 'Lionheart' was most definitely a Valourous
person.

The character is brave and courageous and is willing to place themselves
in harm's way to achieve an end, regardless of the danger
involved. This character is glorified as the true knight, and is a
great warrior. Richard the 'Lionheart' was most definitely a Valorous
person.

Wups, one 'u' too many.

Coward
The Character is consumed with fear at the very thought of
danger. Since they spend their time in life avoiding dangers, they
tend to make poor warriors and ineffective leaders as they are always
worried for their safety. They would rather have others do the
fighting as they sit at home where it is safe.

The character is consumed with fear at the very thought of
danger. Since they spend their time in life avoiding dangers, they
tend to make poor warriors and ineffective leaders as they are always
worried for their safety. They would rather have others do the
fighting as they sit at home where it is safe.

Good one.

Kinslayer
The Character has been known to kill off relatives that were not in
league with their ideals. This is an extremely negative trait, causing
family members to avoid them like the Plague.

The character has been known to kill off relatives who were
not sympathetic to their ideals. This is an extremely negative
trait, causing family members to avoid them like the plague.

One cannot be in league with an ideal. 'that' refers to objects,
not people. 'Plague' should not be capitalised, it is not a name.

Heretic
The Character has embraced alterior religious practices. The character
believes in or prefers a variation on their religion, or in some cases
a completely different one they were born into. Naturally, this a
negative trait as it goes against their established religion and will
cause friction with members of the clergy, even persecution.

The character has embraced alternative religious
practices. They prefer a variation on the dominant religion, or even a
completely different one. The clergy, naturally, do not look with
favour on this point of view, and friction or even persecution is
inevitable.

'Alterior' is not a word; some mixup with 'ulterior', perhaps? The
rest is a lost cause, needing a total rewrite; I offer mine as a
suggestion, not Holy Writ.

Severely Wounded
The Character has been badly wounded in combat and is no longer
eligible for commander of regiments or armies.

The character has been badly wounded in combat and can no
longer command regiments or armies.

Brevity again.

Illness
The character has been afflicted with a deadly illness. Although
deadly illness in this timeframe meant coughing, sneezing, or visible
boils on the skin. The character is in danger of death.

The character has been afflicted with a deadly illness, and may
well die of it. The symptoms may include a harsh cough, boils, or a
high fever.

The 'although' makes no sense. A rewrite is in order. And
'sneezing' is frankly rather boring as a symptom.

Plague-afflicted
The illness of character has become worse and it is clear this
character has the Plague. The Plague took many forms, the worst of
them being the 'Black Death' that originated when Genoese merchant
ships arriving back from the Crimea with wounded soldiers landed in
Sicily. From there, it spread and decimated hundreds of thousands of
people, almost depopulating Europe. It is believed that it originated
from the Steppes of Asia, being carried from the Eastern horseriders
along with them where at Crimea besieging Genoese holdings there,
spread to the defenders and thus the rest of Europe.

The illness has worsened and it is clear that this
character has the plague. The plague took many forms. The worst
was the 'Black Death', which originated in Sicily when Genoese
ships brought wounded soldiers back from the Crimea.
From there, it spread and killed hundreds of thousands of
people, almost depopulating Europe. It is believed that it migrated
from the Steppes of Asia in the bodies of Eastern horsemen, who
besieged Genoese holdings in the Crimea and spread the disease to the
defenders.

As usual, at least one 'the character' is redundant. Overlong
sentences are not good. 'Decimate' does not mean 'kill', it means
'reduce by one tenth'. And what's wrong with 'kill' anyway? Perfectly
good four-letter Anglo-Saxon word. The sentence starting 'It is
believed' is total gibberish.

Leper
The illness of this character has developed into what is known as
Leprosy. These people were shunned by the populace as they were
hideous and smelled foul as their limbs became brittle and rotted
away. Although the prospect of recovery from such an affliction was
rare indeed, it was not impossible.

The illness of this character has developed into leprosy.
These people were shunned by the populace as they were
hideous and smelled foul as their limbs became brittle and rotted
away. Although the prospect of recovery from such an affliction was
rare indeed, it was not impossible.

Words, words, words... It's not just known as leprosy, it
really is leprosy. And don't capitalise illnesses.

Pneumonia
The illness of this character has developed into Pneumonia. There is
not one type of Pneumonia. These types range from bacterial, viral,
mycoplasmas, and some types of fungi. In this period, with no known
cures, the person had to rely on their physical constitution to shrug
off a Pneumonia.

The illness of this character has developed into pneumonia. There is
more than one type of pneumonia, including bacterial, viral,
mycoplasmas, and some types of fungi. In this period, with no known
cures, the person had to rely on their physical constitution to shrug
off pneumonia.

Yes, actually there is one type of pneumonia. At least one. And
'range from' requires a 'to'.

Stressed
The character has become very stressed from events happening in their
life. They are erratic, moody and tend to become furious at the
smallest thing. Many are confused and unable to deal with this person,
as they are bewildered as to what is wrong with them.

The character has become very stressed.
They are erratic, moody and tend to become furious at the
smallest thing. Many are confused and unable to deal with this person,
being bewildered as to what is wrong with them.

'Events happening...' is redundant; why else would one become
stressed? The final 'they' is ambiguous in who it refers to.

Depression
The stress in this person's life has degenerated into deep
depression. They have become severely withdrawn from social
interactions, even avoiding other people and spending alot of time
alone. This person is at severe risk of ending his or her life, and
feels helpless, lost, and frustrated at all things.

The stress in this person's life has worsened into deep
depression. They have become severely withdrawn from social
interactions, avoiding other people and spending a lot of time
alone. This person is at severe risk of suicide, and
feels helpless, lost, and frustrated in all things.

I don't like 'degenerated', it seems to imply that the stress is
lessening. 'Even' is redundant. And really now, why use five words
including the annoying 'his or her' when a single word is perfectly
adequate?

Schizophrenia
The stress in this person's life has degenerated into
Schizophrenia. Although today we diagnose the disease today as a
medical disorder, back in these times, it was seen as something you
could 'catch'. The schizophrenic person lives in an imaginary world,
full of people and objects that are invisible to others. Severely
wrought with paranoia and anxiety, they are very hard to deal with and
can become violent at a moment's notice.

The stress in this person's life has worsened into
schizophrenia. The schizophrenic person lives in an imaginary world,
full of people and objects that are invisible to others. Severely
wrought with paranoia and anxiety, they are very hard to deal with and
can become violent at a moment's notice.

The sentence starting 'although today' is incoherent and does not
fit in with the rest of the paragraph. Fortunately, it is also totally
irrelevant, so it is no problem to drop it entirely.

Crazed
The stress in this person's life has degenerated into an erratic,
crazed state. They are lost in their delusions of grandeur and believe
in unseen forces acting on them or others to create events. These
people are very hard to deal with as they have abandoned logic and
reason for their own world where they are master.

The stress in this person's life has worsened into an erratic,
crazed state. They are lost in their delusions of grandeur and believe
in unseen forces acting on them or others to create events. These
people are very hard to deal with as they have abandoned logic and
reason for their own world where they are master.

No problems apart from the aforementioned 'degenerated'.

 

[King of Men]

The forum doesn't like that in one post, so here's the rest.

Hunchback
The character was born with a small hump or bump on his back. The
person may have trouble walking as the hump curves the character's
gait into a limping shuffle. Most believed at the time it was a curse
from God or some form of evil, and they were shunned and mocked
because of their deformation.

The character was born with a small hump or bump on his or her back. The person may have trouble walking as the hump curves the character's
gait into a limping shuffle. Most believed at the time it was a curse
from God or some form of evil, and hunchbacks were shunned and mocked because of their deformation.

Why the sudden abandonment of gender neutrality? Much as I dislike
the construction, it's been consistent throughout, and I see no reason
to drop it now. The final 'they' seems to refer to believers rather
than hunchbacks, so I disambiguate it.

Club-footed
The character was born with a deformed foot, often with one foot being
larger that the other one. The character will never be able to run and
is impossible for this person to fight on the battlefield to name but
one example. In the same category as 'Hunchback', this is something
that was a source of insults, hampering their ability to attract a
mate.

The character was born with a deformed foot, often with one foot being
larger than the other one. The character will never be able to run and
it is impossible for this person to fight on the battlefield.
In the same category as 'Hunchback', this is something
that was a source of insults, hampering the ability to attract a
mate.

Some wrong words, some unnecessary ones.

Intestinal Worm
The character was born with an intestinal worm that lives inside of
their stomach or intestines. This can severely hamper their ability to
grow properly, as the worms will deplete the amount of nutrition and
if the person survives into maturity, will leave them weak and feeble
both physically and mentally.

The character has an intestinal worm that lives inside
their stomach or intestines. This can severely hamper their growth,
both mental and physical, and will leave them exhausted and ill
much of the time.


This does not seem to make sense; the Intestinal Worm trait can be
acquired by adults.

Lisp
The character was born with a speech impediment known simply as a
Lisp. The person has trouble enunciating words correctly and will no
doubt be the butt of jokes as others mock them.

The character was born with a lisp. The person has trouble enunciating words correctly and will no
doubt be the butt of jokes as others mock them.

I am thinking most people know that a lisp is a speech
impediment. And it should not be capitalised.

Stutter
The character was born with a speech impediment known as a
Stutter. They tend to have trouble at pronouncing words, and becomes
stuck on a syllable, making it impossible to have a proper
conversation. This will also be a source of humiliation for the
individual as they are excluded from discussions and will no doubt be
mocked for it.

The character was born with a stutter.
They tend to have trouble pronouncing words, and become
stuck on a syllable, making it difficult to have a proper
conversation. This will also be a source of humiliation for the
individual as they are excluded from discussions and will no doubt be
mocked for it.

Stutters exist in varying degrees; 'impossible' is an
exaggeration. Again, 'speech impediment' is redundant.

Inbred
The character has been conceived by two parents that are too close
genetically, and is known as Inbred. Though a favourite practice of
royal families for generations of having cousins or siblings marry and
thus produce inbred children, the practice can leave the offspring
with deformities. These deformities can range from the physical to the
mental. They are at a severe disadvantage in their abilities.

The character has been conceived by two parents that are too close
genetically. This is known as being inbred. Though many royal
families favoured the practice of marrying cousins or siblings, this
can leave the offspring with severe defects, both physical and
mental. They are at a severe disadvantage in their abilities.

Oh dear. Total rewrite, nothing else for it.

Harelip
The character was born with a deformed top-lip that impedes their
ability to speak or pronounce some words. A famous example of this
affiction is the 'Habsburg Lip', brought about from inbreeding among
their family.

The character was born with a deformed upper lip that impedes their
ability to speak or pronounce some words. A famous example of this
affliction is the 'Habsburg Lip', brought about from inbreeding among
that family.

'Stiff upper lip, old chap!' There's no such thing as a 'top' lip.

Canonized
When the character died, they were recognized by the highest religious
officials of their religion to be an the prime example of what a
devout life was to be. For this, they have been canonized, and most
often than not, were sainted. This is an incredibly high honour and
something to strive for as a pious leader.

Canonised
When the character died, they were recognised by the highest religious
officials of their religion to be a prime example of what a
devout life should be. For this, they have been canonised, and more often than not, will be sainted. This is an incredibly high honour and something to strive for as a pious leader.

What happened to the Queen's English?

Saint
After having been canonized the person has achieved the holiest of
holy titles and was made a Saint. This is a rare phenomena, and a
mystical and powerful legacy for that person who was sainted.

After having been canonised the person has achieved the holiest of
holy titles and been made a Saint. This is a rare phenomenon, and a mystical and powerful legacy.

There is a time for everything, including ending a sentence
gracefully. And singular of phenomena is phenomenon.

Bastard
The character is a bastard, meaning that he or she was born outside
wedlock. They are regarded as dirty and a manifestation of
sin. Consequently, they were shunned and invited hostility to those
who discovered this about them. They were also exempt from
primogeniture laws and rarely received inheritance.

The character is a bastard, meaning that he or she was born outside
wedlock. They are regarded as dirty and a manifestation of
sin. Consequently, they are shunned and invited hostility from those who discovered this about them. They were also exempt from
primogeniture laws and rarely inherited.

Consistent tense throughout.

Ecclesiastical Education
The character is currently persuing an education with the clergy or a
monastic order. They were taught scripture, reading, writing and
natural 'sciences', among other things. This was considered to be the
node of learning of all things intellectual. This character will come
out of this training with a great education for the time period.

The character is currently pursuing an education with the clergy or a
monastic order. They are being taught scripture, reading, writing and
natural philosophy, among other things. This was considered to be the
node of learning of all things intellectual. This character will come
out of this training with an excellent education for the time period.

Tense! No need for the contemptuous quotation mark on 'science'
when 'philosophy' serves perfectly well, especially since the word
'science' would not become widespread for a few centuries. 'Great' is
colloquial, not suited for this context.

Court Education
The character is currently persuing an education at the Royal
Court. This is the most broad education where the theoretical is
interwoven with the literal. The highest ranking officials and tutors
of the court will handle the education, depending on their field of
specialization. This will give the character expertise in as one or
several of the following ranks, Spymaster, Chancellor, or Steward.

The character is currently pursuing an education at the Royal
Court. This is the most broad education where the theoretical is
interwoven with the practical. The highest ranking officials and tutors
of the court will act as tutors in several fields.
This will give the character expertise in as one or
several of the following ranks, Spymaster, Chancellor, or Steward.

'Literal' does not make sense in that context. The bit with
'handling the education' is badly formed.

Martial Education
The character is currently persuing an education within the Army. The
character is specialized in warfare and trained in both combative
skills, rituals of war, and taught to command men in battle. The
currently appointed Marshal shall be responsible for this education
and upon attaining manhood, will have the skills and knowledge of
warfare and be able to be a succesful Marshal themself one day.

The character is currently pursuing an education in the Army. He is specialising in warfare and being trained in both combative
skills, rituals of war, and commanding men in battle. The
current Marshal is responsible for this education
and upon attaining manhood the child will have the skills and knowledge of warfare and be able to be a successful Marshal himself.

Dear me, where to start? We want a single tense. 'Themself' is not
a word. It is not the current - note the brevity - marshal who will be able to be a successful marshal one day, he already is one. Since this education
can't be assigned to girls, there's no need for gender neutrality; a
good solid 'he, his' will serve.

Fanatical Priest
This character is utterly obsessed with the life of Priesthood. In
other words, this character is consumed with the rigours and daily
doings of being a proper priest or holy man. The problem is that this
person is so consumed with their occupation that it leaves little or
no time for anything else and has become detached from worldly
affairs.

This character is utterly obsessed with the life of the priesthood;
consumed with the rigours and daily doings of being a proper priest
or holy man. Unfortunately, this leaves little or
no time for anything else, and the character has become
detached from worldly affairs.

Brevity and proper reference.

Martial Cleric
This character's studies in theology has left a permanent mark on
them. They believe in their religious convictions deeply, and see no
qualms of talking loudly and carrying a big stick to enforce the
religious status quo. A natural crusader.

This character's studies in theology have left a permanent mark.
They believe in their religious convictions deeply, and have no
qualms about talking loudly and carrying a big stick to enforce the
religious status quo. A natural crusader.

'Studies' is a plural, and takes 'have', not 'has'. 'See no qualms
of' is not an expression.

Scholarly Theologian
The character is an academic, refined and well versed in the holy
scripture. Being a sharp individual he or she will do well in matters
of the mind, though the fascination for theological issues tends to
absorb most of their intellectual thought.

The character is an academic, refined and well versed in the holy
scripture. Being a sharp individual he or she will do well in matters
of the mind, though the fascination for theological issues tends to
absorb most of their intellectual thought.

By this time, I'm amazed to see a description where I have no
corrections to offer.

Master Theologian
This character has a mastery of the subject of theology. This
character is considered to be something of a genius, and excels at all
things academic and scholarly. This character is best suited at
administration or being an advisor to a liege as they tend to be high
above their peers.

This character has mastered the subject of theology. This
character is considered to be something of a genius, and excels at all
things academic and scholarly. They are best suited to
administration or being an advisor to a liege, as their concerns
tend to be rather high-flown.

The third 'this character' grates. By definition, one is not high
above one's peers.

Naive Puppet Master
The character believes themself to be a master politician and a
brilliant judge of people. This however could not be further from the
truth, as their own ineptitude is apparent to all but them. They are
constantly meddling in the affairs of the realm, causing mayhem and
mischief more often than not.

The character believes themselves to be a master politician and a
brilliant judge of people. This however could not be further from the
truth, as their own ineptitude is apparent to all but them. They are
constantly meddling in the affairs of the realm, causing mayhem and
mischief more often than not.

'Themself' again, but no trouble otherwise.

Flamboyant Schemer
This character loves intrigue and gossip in the court. They are
usually very intelligent and the mind games and schemes they concoct
are mostly for the sport of it and not for the good of the realm.

This character loves intrigue and gossip. They are
usually very intelligent, but the mind games and schemes they concoct
are mostly for the sport of it and not for the good of the realm.

Why limit intrigue and gossip to the court? 'But' seems better than
'and' in this context, since the clause is modifying the intelligence.

Intricate Webweaver
This character has mastered the art of politics. They are talented at
devising plots and dreaming up elaborate schemes that almost never
fail to succeed as planned.

This character has mastered the art of politics. They are talented at
devising plots and dreaming up elaborate schemes that almost
always succeed as planned.

'Never fail to succeed'? Bush would be proud of that one.

Illusive Shadow
This character is a renowned genius in the area of politics. They are
intelligent, crafty, and wily. Their schemes and plans are so complex
many are simply unable to comprehend their enormous genius. This tends
to be very frustrating for this character and end up becoming a
lonewolf. They would rather keep away from those who do not udnerstand
them or their genius.

Elusive Shadow
This character is a renowned genius in the area of politics. They are
intelligent, crafty, and wily. Their schemes and plans are so complex
many are simply unable to comprehend their breathtaking
subtlety. This tends to be very frustrating, and the character may
end up becoming a lone wolf. They would rather keep away from those who do not understand them or their skill.

'Illusive' does not exist, though it sounds like an adjectival form of 'illusion'.
'Elusive', on the other hand, means 'good at eluding.' One 'genius' is enough, we don't need three. 'lonewolf' is not a word, and the sentence is mangled
anyway.

Misguided Warrior
The character was educated to become a leader of men, but failed to
learn anything but personal combat. The character might be a fine
warrior, but tactics and strategy are lost on them.

The character was educated to become a leader of men, but failed to
learn anything but personal combat. He might be a fine
warrior, but tactics and strategy are lost on him.

No need for gender neutrality here.

Tough Soldier
The character is a fine warrior and an average leader of men in
battle. The character will perform well upon the battlefield, yet
falls short of becoming anything more. This man is best suited on the
battlefield leading other soldiers, and not planning elaborate
strategies.

The character is a fine warrior and an average leader of men in
battle. He will perform well upon the battlefield, yet
falls short of becoming anything more. This man is best suited on the
battlefield leading other soldiers, and not planning elaborate
strategies.

Knowledged Tactician
The character is a great soldier and a competent leader on the
battlefield. His training and natural talent make him a powerful force
of war. He has grasped tactical thinking, and for example, excels at
using the terrain and weather to achieve success in battle. They have
a superb understanding of how war should be fought and is something of
an art to him.

Knowledgeable Tactician
The character is a great soldier and a competent leader on the
battlefield. His training and natural talent make him a powerful force
of war. He has grasped tactical thinking, and, for example, excels at
using the terrain and weather to achieve success in battle. He has
a superb understanding of how war should be fought and it is something of an art to him.

'Knowledged' is not a word. Drop gender neutrality for male-only pursuits.

Brilliant Strategist
This character is a genius of war, tactics and strategy. This
character has mastered fully the art of war, and most at ease on the
battlefield than anywhere else. Their plans are so devious and
effective, they are able to devise strategies that win battles again
and again. In this chaotic world, few are capable enough to be called
brilliant strategists.

This character is a genius of war, tactics and strategy. He
has fully mastered the art of war, and is more at ease on the
battlefield than anywhere else. His plans are so devious and
effective that he is able to win battles again
and again. In this chaotic world, few are capable enough to be called
brilliant strategists.

Gender neutrality again, and the 'devise strategies' is rather
clumsy.

Amateurish Pettifogger
The character loves to debate various topics and dabbles in diplomacy,
the trouble is they are awful at such things. Lacking social skills,
tact and the charisma for the sensitive art of diplomacy does not
prevent them from meddling in it however.

The character loves to debate various topics and dabbles in diplomacy,
but with a total lack of ability. Lacking social skills,
tact and the charisma for the sensitive art of diplomacy does not
prevent them from meddling in it, however.

I dislike 'the trouble is'. It just rings wrong. And commas are
good! You can never have too many commas.

Gruff Diplomat
The character has been trained in the art of diplomacy and is able to
break a deal or two to further their goals, lacking without finesse or
grace. The character may be able to strike profitable agreements, but
falls short of achieving greatness in their work.

The character has been trained in the art of diplomacy and is able to
broker a deal or two to further their goals, but lacks finesse or
grace. The character may be able to strike profitable agreements, but
falls short of achieving greatness in their work.

Usually one does not gain much from breaking a deal. Machiavelli
states that "The prince should only break his word when it is greatly
to his advantage; and to do this, he must have a reputation for great
probity." To 'broker', on the other hand, is to arrange; I think that
is what was meant.

Charismatic Negotiator
The character is well versed and accomplised in the art of
diplomacy. Blessed with a blend of charisma and intelligence, they are
able diplomats and have little trouble at persuading others to see
their side of things.

The character is well versed and accomplished in the art of
diplomacy. Blessed with a blend of charisma and intelligence, they are
able diplomats and have little trouble at persuading others to see
their side of things.

Very nearly perfect.

Grey Eminence
The character has mastered the art of diplomacy and uses their
superior intellect and natural charm to further along negotiations of
all kinds. Tactful, calm, persuasive and a brilliant planner they are
able to get whatever they want. The character is an obvious genius and
has a very bright future in the world of diplomacy.

The character has mastered the art of diplomacy and uses
superior intellect and natural charm to further negotiations of
all kinds. Tactful, calm, persuasive and a brilliant planner they are
able to get whatever they want. The character is an obvious genius and
has a very bright future in the world of diplomacy.

Hopeless Spender
The character was trained in stewardship and has come to love money,
and unfortunately, they love spending it even more. To make matters
worse, they are not very good at making money and are quick to lose
any fortune they had to begin with. You will definitely not want this
character.

The character was trained in stewardship and has come to love money,
and unfortunately, they love spending it even more. To make matters
worse, they are not very good at making money and are quick to lose
any fortune they had to begin with.

Why shouldn't I have a hole-in-the-pocket steward if I like? The
trait descriptions should describe, not prescribe strategy.

Crafty Merchant
The character was trained in stewardship and has become quite skilled
in making money as well. Although they do not excel at governance or
mercantile pursuits, they are able enough to manage smaller
enterprises effectively.

The character was trained in stewardship and has become quite skilled
in making money as well. Although they do not excel at governance or
mercantile pursuits, they are able enough to manage smaller
enterprises effectively.

It'll do.

Silver Tongue
The character is not only very good at stewardship, he or she, is also
imaginative and skilled in finding new profitable areas of
investment. The characters intellectual agility allows them to make
grand statements of promise to those foolish enough to buy into their
designs. Very talented at making money and a very persuasive and sharp
merchant.

The character is not only very good at stewardship, he or she is also
imaginative and skilled in finding new, profitable areas of
investment. The character's intellectual agility allows them to make
grand statements of promise to those foolish enough to buy into their
designs. Very talented at making money and a very persuasive and sharp
merchant.

One comma seems to have migrated, and an apostrophe dropped somewhere.

Midas Touched
The character was born with the talent to make large sums of
money. They have the natural ability to turn more or less anything
into golden success. Excellent in stewardship beyond the levels of
most others, the character is destined to invite everlasting wealth
and prosperity for the realm.

The character was born with the talent of making large sums of
money. They have the natural ability to turn more or less anything
into golden success. Excellent in stewardship beyond the levels of
most others, the character is destined to create wealth
and prosperity for the realm.

You can 'invite' wealth as much as you like, it won't necessarily
come. And 'everlasting' is plainly an exaggeration.

Excommunicated
This character has been exiled from their religion by the head of
their church. The christian example is having the Pope in Rome
excommunicate someone from the Catholic faith. This is essentially a
curse on their soul and a blight on their character.

This character has been exiled from their religion by the head of
their church. The Catholic example is having the Pope in Rome
excommunicate someone from the faith. This is essentially a
curse on their soul.

'Christian' != 'Catholic'. Excommunication is not a blight on
one's character, but a result of such blights.

Crusader
The character is currently on a holy crusade against the infidel.

The character is on a holy crusade against the infidel.

'Currently' is redundant, away with it.

 

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Irish Errors

Irish surnames - note that a character cannot have a surname with the prefix Ui, since this is the plural and genitive of O, so a dynasty collectively might be called Ui Neill but its members will be called O Neill. Some Ui- names have wrongly appeared in the dynasty list.
Also, the names Burke, de Burgh and Barry should not appear in the 1066 scenario as these are Norman Irish.

 

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Irish surnames - note that a character cannot have a surname with the prefix Ui, since this is the plural and genitive of O, so a dynasty collectively might be called Ui Neill but its members will be called O Neill. Some Ui- names have wrongly appeared in the dynasty list.
Also, the names Burke, de Burgh and Barry should not appear in the 1066 scenario as these are Norman Irish.

Of course the Middle Irish form of 'O' was 'Ua', so to retain the mediaeval flavour the 'Ui' could be replaced with 'Ua'.

 

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Event text for 7024 has a slight mistake in it:

EVT_7024_NAME;My Lord, should we burned this building to the ground?;Seigneur devons-nous détruire ce bâtiment par le feu?;Herr, sollen wir dieses Gebäude niederbrennen?;Mi señor, ¿debemos reducir este edificio a cenizas?;Mio signore, dobbiamo ridurre in cenere questo edificio?;;;;;;X

Here "burned" should be "burn".

 

[King of Men]

MrT, would it be helpful if I edited the English-language files and sent them to you, instead of just posting what I think should be done? I would like to have these corrections done before the official patch, but it's drudge work easily done by mere players, not something that needs to take up valuable MrT-time. The downside is that you'd be stuck with my opinions on what is good style.

 

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Yes please, but please keep changes to the minimum necessary alterations beyong purely gramatical ones. Also avoid the use of semi-colons since that will cause major issues for localisation.

I would suggest that you leave the extra_text.csv file alone for now, too, since it is changing all the time. Once we get close to 1.05 we'll do a file lockdown that will prevent any new events from being added during the final weeks of testing (only tweaks would be allowed) and at that point all the text files will become static and can be safely edited.

Completed files can be sent to me at chris.stone at rogers.com

 

[LordLeto]

Ive noticed a few events where the words get crumpled up in the option buttons because their too long.

I havn't had the time to write down which and possible alternatives. Maybe this weekend.