PU should have a choice mecanism??

[Lucododosor]

I'm sure this must've been said a lot already, but I can't stress it enough. I'm currently playing as Portugal and, of course, allied with Castille since day 1. Suddenly, the king of Great Britain decides to die without a heir and they enter a PU with me, dragging me into a war with...... Castille. I just fought it until I could get a white peace, and then released GB (they were already at 100% Liberty Desire, couldn't really keep them).
Now Castille has rivaled me for a PU that I didn't want nor could even mantain!!! And it's still 1620.
Is there any particular reason the devs simply don't put a "do you want this throne?" box before things like this? I'm honestly asking

 

[cetvrtak]

I'm sure this must've been said a lot already, but I can't stress it enough. I'm currently playing as Portugal and, of course, allied with Castille since day 1. Suddenly, the king of Great Britain decides to die without a heir and they enter a PU with me, dragging me into a war with...... Castille. I just fought it until I could get a white peace, and then released GB (they were already at 100% Liberty Desire, couldn't really keep them).
Now Castille has rivaled me for a PU that I didn't want nor could even mantain!!! And it's still 1620.
Is there any particular reason the devs simply don't put a "do you want this throne?" box before things like this? I'm honestly asking

PU is fine. What's wrong with this situation is the war between allies. There should be at least some weight given to the relations/trust when deciding who can contest one's claim. In this case, great relations between Portugal and Spain should make Spain drop the issue and another (if any) counter claimant should be found for Portugal.

 

[Lucododosor]

PU is fine. What's wrong with this situation is the war between allies. There should be at least some weight given to the relations/trust when deciding who can contest one's claim. In this case, great relations between Portugal and Spain should make Spain drop the issue and another (if any) counter claimant should be found for Portugal.

that's a good idea
I just find weird there isn't a possible diplomatic solution for situations like this - even with a chance of failing and going to war anyway - because that's what would have happened in reality, especially with good allies such as Portugal and Castille/Spain

 

[Rashie]

Just so you know for future reference, the AI will not declare an independence war against you despite high liberty desire, so long as you're at war.

There are ways around 100%+ liberty desire, releasing GB in a situation such as this is a bit of a misplay.

 

[Lucododosor]

Just so you know for future reference, the AI will not declare an independence war against you despite high liberty desire, so long as you're at war.

There are ways around 100%+ liberty desire, releasing GB in a situation such as this is a bit of a misplay.

Yeah, I know they don't declare independence war if I'm already at one, but I wasn't really in conditions to be in a permanent state of conflict
Besides, they are quite superior on ranks (don't really know why they ended up in a PU, they should have a new king from another dynasty, shouldn't they?)

 

[grommile]

don't really know why they ended up in a PU

Their prestige was probably in the toilet for some reason.

 

[Vin55]

Well it does make sense, the claimant system was way off and sometimes several countries had a claim, for example beeing married to last daugther or having some distance realtions etc... But why not keep the Pu up? You will have a decent peace timer with him get relations high and you should be fine. Pus are quite easy too hold. Had France as Savoy and he was twice my size when I got him.
It is mostly the ai who does stupid stuff like force convert or such and with Uk being loyal Castile will probably not move against you ^^ and Sevilla trade is yours either way. So go kill him at some point. (The sad part is you could go for forming spain by culture shifting. Their missions are better.

 

[SouthOf]

PU is fine. What's wrong with this situation is the war between allies. There should be at least some weight given to the relations/trust when deciding who can contest one's claim. In this case, great relations between Portugal and Spain should make Spain drop the issue and another (if any) counter claimant should be found for Portugal.

I don't think Spain should drop the issue, if they are a Greater power than you.
You should have the ability to diplomaticaly solve the issue. Either you do not contest the trone and keep your alliance with spain, or you go to war.

 

[Battlex]

Just so you know for future reference, the AI will not declare an independence war against you despite high liberty desire, so long as you're at war.

There are ways around 100%+ liberty desire, releasing GB in a situation such as this is a bit of a misplay.

What? Did they change it or is it just PUs can't declare independence wars if wars already going on? Cuz used to be as timurids your vassals could declare if they had 75% liberty desire, so bad players would just keep at war with ajam until 1454

 

[cetvrtak]

I don't think Spain should drop the issue, if they are a Greater power than you.
You should have the ability to diplomaticaly solve the issue. Either you do not contest the trone and keep your alliance with spain, or you go to war.

I agree with the possibility of diplomatic solution. However, Portuguese king is the rightful heir, so he should definitely not back down. It's Spain that needs to decide whether to go to war or not. And they shouldn't do it if they are allied to Portugal, greater power or not.

 

[Battlex]

I agree with the possibility of diplomatic solution. However, Portuguese king is the rightful heir, so he should definitely not back down. It's Spain that needs to decide whether to go to war or not. And they shouldn't do it if they are allied to Portugal, greater power or not.

He may be the rightful king but he might waive his rights, best to have an event chain with the JP getting an interregnum imo

Their prestige was probably in the toilet for some reason.

Converted?

I'm sure this must've been said a lot already, but I can't stress it enough. I'm currently playing as Portugal and, of course, allied with Castille since day 1. Suddenly, the king of Great Britain decides to die without a heir and they enter a PU with me, dragging me into a war with...... Castille. I just fought it until I could get a white peace, and then released GB (they were already at 100% Liberty Desire, couldn't really keep them).
Now Castille has rivaled me for a PU that I didn't want nor could even mantain!!! And it's still 1620.
Is there any particular reason the devs simply don't put a "do you want this throne?" box before things like this? I'm honestly asking

You could go to war with castile so they drop the rivalry then re ally them that way

 

[Koopa]

I agree with the possibility of diplomatic solution. However, Portuguese king is the rightful heir, so he should definitely not back down. It's Spain that needs to decide whether to go to war or not. And they shouldn't do it if they are allied to Portugal, greater power or not.

Disagree to a certain degree. If a PU over GB is worth more than alliance with portugal they totally should declare war on portugal. also a great power spain could reasonably assume that portugal will be an Allie again in the future after a won war because they do not have a lot of a choice. Countrys have no friends. Countrys have interests.

But of course EU 4 does not really represent such a dynamic system well. the slow diminishing "was at war" negative opinion modifier for example does not fit into that. more a "i have what i want now lets be friends again" thing

 

[cetvrtak]

Disagree to a certain degree. If a PU over GB is worth more than alliance with portugal they totally should declare war on portugal. also a great power spain could reasonably assume that portugal will be an Allie again in the future after a won war because they do not have a lot of a choice.

I wasn't talking about what a human player in Spanish position would do. Obviously, I would always go to war, unless role-playing.