PU Questions

[Methuen of Melnibone]

Hi

Working on finishing the Spanish mission tree

I've just gained the PU over a (very) annoyed Austria. I also inherited their PU over Russia as part of the peace (nice surprise that was)

I've realized that, in doing some reading on Integrating a PU, I'm going to run out of game-time well before I've integrated Austria to complete the mission. The mission requires non-tributary ownership of 'Austria' the land - I hadn't realized that a PU didn't meet that criteria, but oh well.

Question 1 -
So - it's 1744, just signed the peace - I need to own Austria-proper. Do I drop them from our PU and attack ? Is there a chance that integration would complete between 1794 and 1821 ? (they had captured Hungary, Venice, most of Poland also) - I have the Influence idea group, and high Diplo Relations which I understand are important. I'm also Emperor AND Papal Controller if that helps.

Question 1b - Is there any method by which I can make a PU partner split land off to make integration quicker ?

Question 2 -
If I did release them, would they get Russia back, or do I keep that ? Don't fancy fighting General Winter again

Question 3 - more of a gripe

Two Spanish missions require to you own the land of other majors - so it's a bit cheap of the preceeding missions to give you a 'restore union' CB on Britain and Austria, if that doesn't actually help you meet the requirements in a sensible time. Appreciate there's more planning ahead to be done there, but then the other half of the mission tree is basically 'Operation - American Conquest', which also takes a while / is resource hungry.

 

[Nwaij]

Do you have admin ideas? The admin/influence policy might just be the speed boost you need to integrate austria. Not knowing your idea groups (other than influence), you could likely drop those focused on colonization (not much left to colonize in the 1700s) and instead pick up admin (and maybe even diplo for that extra diplomatic reputation).

 

[Methuen of Melnibone]

Do you have admin ideas? The admin/influence policy might just be the speed boost you need to integrate austria. Not knowing your idea groups (other than influence), you could likely drop those focused on colonization (not much left to colonize in the 1700s) and instead pick up admin (and maybe even diplo for that extra diplomatic reputation).

Thanks - Admin/Diplo ideas - I have Diplomatic, Influence, Espionage, Expansion - the combination because I was trying to max diplomacy & become Empror without having to fight the HRE (it didn't work). I've kept Expansion for the +1 to Diplo Relations.

Edit - read your post again, and yes it's a policy I need. I'll take admin ideas & see where that gets me !

 

[Methuen of Melnibone]

Hmm, if I'm doing the maths right, even with a couple of bonuses, I'm still looking at c.100-130 years to integrate them without doing something drastic. (figures below driven by those in the wiki)

I think I might be back to 'release them and stamp all over them, and damn the coalition wars' - otherwise integration would be finished in 1905

Unless there are any other ideas ?

Total dev = c.3600
Cost per dev = 8 dipl mana
Total cost = 28,800

So take 20% for the policy bonus
Total cost = 23,040

Take another 25% for the Influence ideas bonus
Total cost = 17,280

So that total cost / monthly mana (let's be conservative and say I'm making 13 per month)
Months required 1,329
Years required 111

 

[Cancerofthehead]

Hmm, if I'm doing the maths right, even with a couple of bonuses, I'm still looking at c.100-130 years to integrate them without doing something drastic. (figures below driven by those in the wiki)

I think I might be back to 'release them and stamp all over them, and damn the coalition wars' - otherwise integration would be finished in 1905

Unless there are any other ideas ?

Total dev = c.3600
Cost per dev = 8 dipl mana
Total cost = 28,800

So take 20% for the policy bonus
Total cost = 23,040

Take another 25% for the Influence ideas bonus
Total cost = 17,280

So that total cost / monthly mana (let's be conservative and say I'm making 13 per month)
Months required 1,329
Years required 111

Your math is way off.

3600*8*(1-.2-.25)= 15,840
But that is also modified by admin efficiency and innovativeness.
If you have 60 Admin Efficiency, that brings it down to 6,336
If you have 100 innovativeness it is further reduced to 5702

You could also go Parliament to get an additional 15% base reduction although that might reduce you admin efficiency a bit (5 absolutism is 1.5 admin efficiency) it would be a net benefit for annexation getting it down to 4,147.

 

[Cancerofthehead]

Did they change something in 1.30? I was sure I completed forever Golden without annexing Austria (or England).

And looking at the Wiki I don’t see any requirement to directly own the land.

Are you sure that some province you need isn’t owned by Austria. The only place I would expect to see an issue is if it is owned by Austrian vassals, those don’t count as being owned by you or your non-tributary subjects (but generally not a big deal as Austria should annex them in a decade or so). Else that is probably a bug.

 

[gia257]

diplo annex reductions are additive, so they are stronger
in order to complete do:
admin + influence, + policy -45%
get parlament, with 5 vassals it has a high chance of giving -15%
do not ever get any hegemon
keep liberty desire below 10% on as many vassals as possible, this enables an event Loyal Subjects on 5 year ticks, that gives an extra -15%
max absolutism, or max revolutionary zeal if revolutionary

 

[Methuen of Melnibone]

Your math is way off.

3600*8*(1-.2-.25)= 15,840
But that is also modified by admin efficiency and innovativeness.
If you have 60 Admin Efficiency, that brings it down to 6,336
If you have 100 innovativeness it is further reduced to 5702

You could also go Parliament to get an additional 15% base reduction although that might reduce you admin efficiency a bit (5 absolutism is 1.5 admin efficiency) it would be a net benefit for annexation getting it down to 4,147.

Thanks for that, maths was never my strong point ! - so I can potentially get it down to 30 or so years ? Kinda useful thing to know - I wanted to work out the maths way ahead of the deadline as the game's tooltips like to lure you in with stuff like 'you must have 190 relations', and when you get to that telling you 'BUT AHAA ! you must also be larger than them, have more gold, and speak fluent Welsh'.

Did they change something in 1.30? I was sure I completed forever Golden without annexing Austria (or England).

And looking at the Wiki I don’t see any requirement to directly own the land.

Are you sure that some province you need isn’t owned by Austria. The only place I would expect to see an issue is if it is owned by Austrian vassals, those don’t count as being owned by you or your non-tributary subjects (but generally not a big deal as Austria should annex them in a decade or so). Else that is probably a bug.

Double sure - checked it before I started the war. I had the same snag with timing earlier missions to reclaim Portugal / North Africa - getting a PU didn't do it, I had to wait for the integration to tick over & make Iberia & North Morocco, Spanish.

I've invaded England with 200k of my own and a stupid size navy, so no trouble with them

diplo annex reductions are additive, so they are stronger
in order to complete do:
admin + influence, + policy -45%
get parlament, with 5 vassals it has a high chance of giving -15%
do not ever get any hegemon
keep liberty desire below 10% on as many vassals as possible, this enables an event Loyal Subjects on 5 year ticks, that gives an extra -15%
max absolutism, or max revolutionary zeal if revolutionary

Thanks also - what would changing my government type completely do for my ability to complete the final mission (be Emperor) - I assume a parliamentarian monarchy can't do it ? Didn't know about the Loyal Subjects thing, always thought that was fairly random - thanks.

 

[Cancerofthehead]

Double sure - checked it before I started the war. I had the same snag with timing earlier missions to reclaim Portugal / North Africa - getting a PU didn't do it, I had to wait for the integration to tick over & make Iberia & North Morocco, Spanish.

I've invaded England with 200k of my own and a stupid size navy, so no trouble with them

That has to be a bug. I can’t boot up the game now to check, but a PU over the owner of the territory should be enough, and like you said, from a design standpoint it makes no sense that it wouldn’t be enough.

One other thought, if all you want is the mission, you could also “lose” some wars to people who want Austrian clay. Either have Austria lose the land that you need and then take it back for yourself. Or lose their lands you don’t need in order to reduce their development and annexation cost. Probably better than releasing Austria and then attacking them.

 

[Cancerofthehead]

Having parliament doesn’t affect your elligibility for the Emperor, plus you could always just dismantle the Empire anyway.

All you need to do is adopt the appropriate Tier 5 government reform.

 

[Cancerofthehead]

I just tested it and when the required provinces were under my PU of Austria the mission counted. If it isn;t working for you, triple check there isn't any land held by anyone else and if not you definitely have a bug

 

[Methuen of Melnibone]

I just tested it and when the required provinces were under my PU of Austria the mission counted. If it isn;t working for you, triple check there isn't any land held by anyone else and if not you definitely have a bug

Thanks - I'll regenerate my installation. Might have mucked something up rolling between versions !