PU Inheritance

[Rexoschyster]

Hi everybody, do you know if relations affect the possibility for a junior partner to being instantly annexed after the senior parner death?
I'm no talking about percentage but as a condition to make it possibile in the first place

 

[grotaclas]

Yes, you need positive opinion. Otherwise the PU breaks when your ruler dies

 

[Rexoschyster]

Yes, you need positive opinion. Otherwise the PU breaks when your ruler dies

Yes I know that, but there is not a minimum like 50 positive opinion for the junior to be inheritated when the ruler dies right?

I've been doing some tests with a 15% chancez 28 positive opinion and after like 40-50 tries it never happened so that's way I was wondering if there were some other conditions that maybe I was not meeting

Thank you grotaclas

 

[Nostalgium]

The twist is that the 15% chance isn't actually a 15% chance. The calculation that happens behind the scenes is truly the the kind of stuff you'd find scrawled on the walls of a mad doctor in a Lovecraftian novel, and I don't fully grasp it - more dedicated people than I have written guides on it on the forum. But yeah - the % chance is essentially a lie. It's not a dice roll on ruler death like it might lead you to believe.

 

[filsch]

The twist is that the 15% chance isn't actually a 15% chance. The calculation that happens behind the scenes is truly the the kind of stuff you'd find scrawled on the walls of a mad doctor in a Lovecraftian novel, and I don't fully grasp it - more dedicated people than I have written guides on it on the forum. But yeah - the % chance is essentially a lie. It's not a dice roll on ruler death like it might lead you to believe.

This. It is sort of a deterministic dice roll, calculated using some complicated function givnig some output that changes wildly by each day tick. The number itself is calculated in advance of the event happening.
Basically, its pseudorandom, so in the long-term this mimics random behaviour, while if you knew where to look you would know which event should occur, which is useful for debugging.

I don't know if this applies to all perceived randomness in the game, but I've seen the devs say it applied to inheritance etc.

 

[Rexoschyster]

This. It is sort of a deterministic dice roll, calculated using some complicated function givnig some output that changes wildly by each day tick. The number itself is calculated in advance of the event happening.
Basically, its pseudorandom, so in the long-term this mimics random behaviour, while if you knew where to look you would know which event should occur, which is useful for debugging.

I don't know if this applies to all perceived randomness in the game, but I've seen the devs say it applied to inheritance etc.

I knew it, so if It can't happen It just won't happen no matter what, the thing is, 20 years before now(in game) my ruler was dying one-two times a year(he was old) and I birded everytime and 4 times when he died I inheritated one of my PUs and 3 times I inheritated another one and the %s were the same as today and it didn't make sense it was so common, I guess I just got some lucky secret event that pre-allowed them to be inheritated

I'll keep trying
Thank you

 

[grotaclas]

If you want to know how exactly the game determines if you inherit your PUs or not, have a look at my forum post about this topic

 

[Nostalgium]

That was in fact the exact guide I had in mind.

 

[Rexoschyster]

That is in fact the guide I'll be checking out
Thanks

 

[Rexoschyster]

If you want to know how exactly the game determines if you inherit your PUs or not, have a look at my forum post about this topic

But my question is how does the inheritance value work? I checked it out and it is 8, is it 8% or what? How do I work with it?

 

[grotaclas]

But my question is how does the inheritance value work? I checked it out and it is 8, is it 8% or what? How do I work with it?

That is explained in the section "The Basics"

 

[Rexoschyster]

That is explained in the section "The Basics"

My bad I missed this part:

"When the ruler of the senior partner dies under the above conditions, an inheritance value is computed. If this inheritance value is less than the inheritance chance, the junior partner gets inherited."

My inheritance value is 8 and my inheritance chance is 12%, shouldn't I inherit it on my ruler death under these conditions? Did I read that right? Why isn't it happening then?

Thank you again for the help and the patience by the way

Edit: do I need to check my inheritance value or the one of my junior partner?

 

[grotaclas]

My inheritance value is 8 and my inheritance chance is 12%, shouldn't I inherit it on my ruler death under these conditions?

Your inheritance value doesn't matter for this. You have to look at the inheritance value for each junior partner if you want to know if you inherit them

 

[Rexoschyster]

Your inheritance value doesn't matter for this. You have to look at the inheritance value for each junior partner if you want to know if you inherit them

I meant Naples inheritance value is 8 and the inheritance chance is 13%, mine is 90
If I'm not mistaken 13>8, where is the problem?

 

[grotaclas]

I meant Naples inheritance value is 8 and the inheritance chance is 13%, mine is 90
If I'm not mistaken 13>8, where is the problem?

Then I don't know. Can you post your save?

 

[Rexoschyster]

Then I don't know. Can you post your save?

Hope I did it right
Also using pdx.tolls I found something weird about naples so I'm making another post about it

 

[grotaclas]

I think the fact that your heir is underage is messing with it. Then you get a regency and the ID of your heir has to be included in the inheritance value. That's something which you can see in the code which Johan posted, but I wrongly assumed that there is no case in which you would have an heir in at the moment when the inheritance value gets calculated.

 

[Rexoschyster]

I think the fact that your heir is underage is messing with it. Then you get a regency and the ID of your heir has to be included in the inheritance value. That's something which you can see in the code which Johan posted, but I wrongly assumed that there is no case in which you would have an heir in at the moment when the inheritance value gets calculated.

Well, one time I let the game run and it went on for months(pretty weird since my ruler is 92), I'm currently in the C&C disaster and I got a lot of nasty events but that one time when my ruler died I got the inheritance, I was just testing with the chances but it DID happened

What are you suggesting then, I should wait until my heir is 15?

 

[grotaclas]

What are you suggesting then, I should wait until my heir is 15?

Yes

 

[Rexoschyster]

Yes

I DID IT!
I also had to restart because guess what? The HRE emperor died and it switched the inheritance value from 08 to 81

The twist is that the 15% chance isn't actually a 15% chance. The calculation that happens behind the scenes is truly the the kind of stuff you'd find scrawled on the walls of a mad doctor in a Lovecraftian novel, and I don't fully grasp it.

THIS, I know real randomness doesn't exist in videogames, but this is something else
HRE EMPEROR ID? CURIA CONTROLLER ID?
What do these have to do with my PU, it's just too much
I can accept the inheritance chance > inheritance value = inheritance but the IDs that matter for it don't make any sense

Thank you again and again grotaclas, have a good day