PSA : Just discovered why the wrong marriage candidate gets picked for the Burgundian Inheritance event

[Question]

When Charles of Burgundy dies, the succession crisis fires and Burgundy gets to pick the following options :

• Stand alone
• Get PUed by the empero
• Get PUed by a monarchy that Burgundy has a marriage with, and has the highest number of provinces among all the marriages. They cannot be the emperor.
• Get PUed by France

The problem is the way the game handles marriages. The event checks for countries that have a marriage with Burgundy, but when Charles dies, all marriages that were intitiated by Burgundy when he was the ruler are instantly ended.

E.G. Charles is the ruler of Burgundy. Burgundy sends Spain a marriage offer. Spain accepts. Charles dies, instantly ending the marriage with Spain. The event checks who has marriages with Burgundy, sees that Spain does not have one, and Spain becomes invalid for the crisis.

If Spain had sent Burgundy the offer instead, the royal marriage would still be in effect when Charles died, and Spain would be a valid target for the crisis.

I suspect that all similar events that checks for marriages have the same problem. The monarch dying instantly ends royal marriages that they initiated before the events can check for who has a marriage with the country.

Not sure if this can fixed via modding because RMs are hardcoded to instantly end when the ruler who initiated them dies.

 

[Eruth]

When Charles of Burgundy dies, the succession crisis fires and Burgundy gets to pick the following options :

• Stand alone
• Get PUed by the empero
• Get PUed by a monarchy that Burgundy has a marriage with, and has the highest number of provinces among all the marriages. They cannot be the emperor.
• Get PUed by France

The problem is the way the game handles marriages. The event checks for countries that have a marriage with Burgundy, but when Charles dies, all marriages that were intitiated by Burgundy when he was the ruler are instantly ended.

E.G. Charles is the ruler of Burgundy. Burgundy sends Spain a marriage offer. Spain accepts. Charles dies, instantly ending the marriage with Spain. The event checks who has marriages with Burgundy and sees that Spain does not have one, and Spain becomes invalid for the crisis.

If Spain had sent Burgundy the offer instead, the royal marriage would still be in effect when Charles died, and Spain would be a valid target for the crisis.

I suspect that all similar events that checks for marriages have the same problem. The monarch dying instantly ends royal marriages that they initiated before the events can check for who has a marriage with the country.

Not sure if this can fixed via modding because RMs are hardcoded to instantly end when the ruler who initiated them dies.

Wow. Yeah, the game should probably save the royal marriage partners in a separate variable somewhere so that they can be checked after Charles dies. That is a big oversight.

 

[EarlKonrad]

If when a ruler dies all of the royal marriages initiated by him end, why in your example if Spain was the one to send the RM Burgundy could chose Spain when Charles die?

Does that mean that RMs are a one way deal? They only end when the ruler that sent them died, not when one ruler from either countries dies?

 

[Ekcrbe]

Does that mean that RMs are a one way deal? They only end when the ruler that sent them died, not when one ruler from either countries dies?

Correct. I always forget which way is which, but it is one-way. It sounds like from what Question is saying, your initiated RMs end when your ruler dies, and vice versa for your partners.

 

[Question]

If when a ruler dies all of the royal marriages initiated by him end, why in your example if Spain was the one to send the RM Burgundy could chose Spain when Charles die?

Does that mean that RMs are a one way deal? They only end when the ruler that sent them died, not when one ruler from either countries dies?

RMs are a one way deal.

If Spain sends the RM offer, the RM only ends when Spain's ruler dies.

If Burgundy sends the RM offer, the RM only ends when Burgundy's ruler dies.

So if you have a very young ruler and send a RM offer, you could be stuck with it for 40+ years if your ruler lives to a very old age. So it might be better to wait till your allies/vassals send you the offers if their rulers are older, just in case you may want to break the relationship off at some point.

 

[RAID186]

So if you want to get it, YOU must send the request.

Simple enough I guess.

 

[EarlKonrad]

Correct. I always forget which way is which, but it is one-way. It sounds like from what Question is saying, your initiated RMs end when your ruler dies, and vice versa for your partners.

RMs are a one way deal.

If Spain sends the RM offer, the RM only ends when Spain's ruler dies.

If Burgundy sends the RM offer, the RM only ends when Burgundy's ruler dies.

So if you have a very young ruler and send a RM offer, you could be stuck with it for 40+ years if your ruler lives to a very old age. So it might be better to wait till your allies/vassals send you the offers if their rulers are older, just in case you may want to break the relationship off at some point.

I see. Thank you.

 

[Question]

So if you want to get it, YOU must send the request.

Simple enough I guess.

Issue is when an AI burgundy is sending the request to other AIs and then a OPM provence becomes the "strongest ally" instead of a stronger country that had a RM with burgundy. It leads to stupid scenarios.

 

[Travis_Bickle]

When Charles of Burgundy dies, the succession crisis fires and Burgundy gets to pick the following options :

• Stand alone
• Get PUed by the empero
• Get PUed by a monarchy that Burgundy has a marriage with, and has the highest number of provinces among all the marriages. They cannot be the emperor.
• Get PUed by France

The problem is the way the game handles marriages. The event checks for countries that have a marriage with Burgundy, but when Charles dies, all marriages that were intitiated by Burgundy when he was the ruler are instantly ended.

E.G. Charles is the ruler of Burgundy. Burgundy sends Spain a marriage offer. Spain accepts. Charles dies, instantly ending the marriage with Spain. The event checks who has marriages with Burgundy, sees that Spain does not have one, and Spain becomes invalid for the crisis.

If Spain had sent Burgundy the offer instead, the royal marriage would still be in effect when Charles died, and Spain would be a valid target for the crisis.

I suspect that all similar events that checks for marriages have the same problem. The monarch dying instantly ends royal marriages that they initiated before the events can check for who has a marriage with the country.

Not sure if this can fixed via modding because RMs are hardcoded to instantly end when the ruler who initiated them dies.

This explains so much lol.

 

[Meglok]

RMs are a one way deal.

If Spain sends the RM offer, the RM only ends when Spain's ruler dies.

If Burgundy sends the RM offer, the RM only ends when Burgundy's ruler dies.

So if you have a very young ruler and send a RM offer, you could be stuck with it for 40+ years if your ruler lives to a very old age. So it might be better to wait till your allies/vassals send you the offers if their rulers are older, just in case you may want to break the relationship off at some point.

Bug report this please so @Groogy can check. If you have this correct it is an obvious oversight in the code sequence.