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Oho! :eek: Looks like the French are the ones who will do the Blitzkrieg with Trosky now in power! I can't wait for the showdown! Again exellent update Vincent Julien! :)
 

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Go, Trotsky and France! Smash those counter-revolutionary...uh...revolutionaries... ;)
 

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Hmm... Blitzkrieg vs. blitzkrieg... Interesting. I can't think of an instance in history when that's happened before- in WWII, it was always Germany blitzing out, then getting blitzed in return- nothing occurred at the same time. What happens when two militaries built around moving fast and punching through enemy lines meet? Whatever it is, it won't be pretty.

MORE!
 

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Vincent Julien said:
..This process also had the unexpected effect of gradually binding the army to Trotsky as an individual..The PCF and the French state were now Trotskyite in the fullest sense of the word.

The Japanese invasion of Manchuria in 1931..but the thirties looked to be fraught with potential for conflict between the great powers in the Pacific and elsewhere.

fascinating events in France! :eek:

very interesting events in Asia. :cool: the world marches on towards war...

killer update! ! ! :D
 

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Deflare said:
Hmm... Blitzkrieg vs. blitzkrieg... Interesting. I can't think of an instance in history when that's happened before- in WWII, it was always Germany blitzing out, then getting blitzed in return- nothing occurred at the same time. What happens when two militaries built around moving fast and punching through enemy lines meet? Whatever it is, it won't be pretty.

MORE!

It is called a war of manover sir, and you are quite correct MORE! :D
 

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Just read the whole thing. Great stuff. :)
 
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Zauberfloete: Thank you. It will be an interesting war, to be sure.

Zephyr 3: But in which direction first? :D

stephanbathory: Obviously you’ve not read the book ‘French Communism: a New Civilization’, available from all non-deviationist bookshops! :)

Deflare: I doubt it’s going to be as easy a war as either side could predict at this point. A lot hinges on how Europe is configured diplomatically by the late thirties, as well.

GhostWriter, SirCliveWolfe, Sir Humphrey: Thank you! :)
 

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Deflare said:
Hmm... Blitzkrieg vs. blitzkrieg... Interesting. I can't think of an instance in history when that's happened before- in WWII, it was always Germany blitzing out, then getting blitzed in return- nothing occurred at the same time. What happens when two militaries built around moving fast and punching through enemy lines meet? Whatever it is, it won't be pretty.

MORE!

Some may say it's something that's gonna give something like what a cold war gone hot in the 80's would have given : a war of attrition eating tanks and planes really fast before getting down to a 1914 style trench warfare. But there might be another solution : if one group makes a mistake then its strike force might get cut off and left without supplies, thus ending the war very, very quicly and in a much bloodlessier way than in 1939/40...

If France won in such a way she'd get quite some industrial and technical boosts, while a german victory would allow them to strengthen their allies with a lot of hardware taken from the french.

Something else not to be forgotten is the fact that we still don't know who will attack and from where. And we must remember we haven't heard of a Maginot Line, something that opens quite a lot of new strategical perspectives...
 
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Bryaxis: A very interesting post!

osloweasel: Thanks a lot. Lindy may indeed pop up at some point in this AAR. Whether that is as part of a successful Presidential campaign or not, I couldn't disclose at this point. :)

Update soon!
 

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Yes! An update! I love this thread. Awesome work Vincent. :D
 
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The ’Mutiny Against Destiny’- 1929

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Oswald Mosley as leader of the BUF, 'The Blackshirts'. The picture captures Mosley's theatrical style of politics and his extreme ego.

That fact that Britain was a victorious power in the Great War partly helps to explain the generally limited impact of extremism, and particularly Fascism, on British politics in the 1920’s. Britain had no great national grievance to fester on, such as in the case of Italy and its supposedly limited gains from the war, or Germany and it’s ‘stab in the back’ myth. The fair economic climate of the 1920’s, together with a generally liberal and well-established political culture, also contributed to extreme ideologies being no more than the most minor of irritants in the 1920’s. Several factors were to be responsible for this changing as the 1920’s progressed. Notably, the spread of Communism in Europe, first, distantly, in Russia, and, later closer to home, in France, contributed to a sense of menace from the forces of the left which would only be strengthened by the post-war extension of the franchise. A growing sense developed amongst some sections of the middle-class of an ‘unnatural’ level of social strength amongst the working class, and a longing to a return to a supposedly harmonious Edwardian social settlement, particularly after the ‘red election’ of 1929. Equally, just as Bolshevism seemed to be in the ascendant in Europe, radical, anti-democratic solutions seemed to be the answer to the avoidance of communism as more and more states adopted Fascist or authoritarian political solutions; democracy and moderate government in Europe seemed to be increasingly being ‘squeezed’ under economic and political depression; the exception, rather than the rule.

However, as in France or Russia, experiences of the fear and gore of the trenches was as likely to turn a person to pacifism, religion, Socialism, or Communism as it was to turn them to Fascism. In particular, British communism had been immeasurably strengthened by the mismanagement of the Joyhnson-Hicks government, and had emerged from a totally insignificant force to a movement with Parliamentary representation. The events surrounding that government had also had the effect of doing much to dent the confidence of the middle-class in the Tories as the party of stability, and alienate both moderate and radical opinion alike. The following onset of depression in 1929 had brought about a culmination in Britain’s negative fortunes, after many years of prosperous stability under the relatively recent Curzon ministry – now itself swiftly something of a fading memory of a ‘better age’ for Britain.

The rise of British Fascism was certainly not predetermined, but the electoral success of the CPGB in the 1929 election, together with international trends, both political and economic, and the failure of the right-wing of the Tory party under Joyhnson-Hicks virtually assured some kind of prominence to a British Fascist movement. Until the end of the twenties, however, British Fascism had been no more than a small-scale gathering of cranks and die-hards, focused around such groups as the British Fascisti, lead by amateurish yet spirited Rotha Lintorn Orman (And one of the only Fascist groups to ever be lead by a woman.), the Imperial Fascist League, and other fringe groups. There was, therefore, no obvious pre-existing base for a significant unified British Fascist movement, either in terms of leadership or structure, as the depression set in.

That was set to change quicker than could be imagined, and largely thanks to the efforts of one man – Oswald Mosley. An establishment, aristocratic figure by background, Mosley had served in the Great War in the Royal Flying Corps, a division of the armed forces arguably more dangerous for those involved than for those in the trenches. Elected as a Conservative in the 1918 ‘Hang the Kaiser’ election, Mosley had gone on to largely alienate many within his party, often placing his right to air his views above that of party loyalty and discipline; a largely unheard of way of approaching politics in the Conservative Party. Mosley came to view Britain as being locked in a life-or-death struggle for her place in the world, a struggle that could only be ended favourably by tackling the continuing problem of unemployment and economic decline head-on, in a radical fashion. Despite being persuaded to stay within the party during the Curzon government (Mosley married one of Curzon’s daughters, Cynthia in 1920.), and with the Labour party being out of government, Mosley increasingly saw that there was little room for his radical proposals within the Parliamentary system, or within the Tory party, settled as it was in the rhythms of gradual and conventional solutions to economic problems. The continuing weakness of the Labour Party in the twenties also prevented any possible emergence of a radical alternative to standard economic thinking, even if Labour could provide it. Mosley crossed the floor in 1926 to become an independent, and, in 1927, after the total failure of the Joyhnson-Hicks government, formed the New Party, a short-lived experiment which was terminated with Mosley’s conversion to Fascism in 1928, the publication of The Greater Britain, and the formation of the British Union of Fascists early the next year.

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The BUF flag, with the distinctive circle and lighting flash design, representing the Fascist ideal of 'purpose within unity'.

In The Greater Britain, Mosley’s thinking reached it’s final development, and he postulated that Britain was – drawing on themes first drawn up in nationalist circles in Oswald Spengler’s Decline of the West - in terminal decline, as it grew economically weak and politically moribund, labouring under the “old gangs” of British politics, who were unable or unwilling to face up to the challenge of radicalising Britain to keep up with its international competitors. The solution was a revival of Britain under a dictatorial regime (Supposedly based around the strong centralised monarchy of Tudor times which had first launched Britain’s arrival on the world scene) which would have full power to break the mould, and carry out the necessary economic measures, leading to a rebirth of national sentiment and the confirmation of Britain’s place in the world.

Combining rationally presented economic argument with the irrational flair of nationalism, the party entered into the 1929 election hoping to survive rather than prosper. It did – just. Mosley barely retained his seat, and two other BUF candidates scraped through in London's East End to be elected. Astonishing in of itself, the election success of the BUF went hand-in-hand with the much more successful CPGB. Ironically, both results probably marked a kind of success for the BUF; as British Communism grew, in tandem with Communism in Europe, so to did the BUF’s chances of attracting opposition support. So to, the election underpinned Mosley’s new position as the undisputed head of British Fascism more generally, with practically all other Fascist parties and groups being subsequently absorbed or amalgamated into the BUF. For a party less than a year old, it was an astonishing result, but whether Mosley could build on it to enter into any position of prominence was still up for debate.
 
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Very good political analyses i must say. Its not overcomplicating matters, but very well written. The rise of Fascism in Britain as a response to the Communism (national/globally) very interesting to see if the party has a future, or the fractions start to divide the party. Depends on Mosley's appeal and campaign probably, hard to see if he can manage to move the people enough.
 

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...but whether Mosley could build on it to enter into any position of prominence was still up for debate.

very interesting! ! ! ! :cool:
 

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I'm intrigued to see how this pans out.... very interested indeed.

Great update! Canna wait for more! :cool:
 

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Vincent Julien said:
Despite being persuaded to stay within the party during the Curzon government (Mosley married one of Curzon’s daughters, Cynthia in 1920.)

He also had something of a ding-dong with Curzon's widow as well! :eek:

Interesting that you have had him capture three seats - he ought not survive beyond the end of the 1929 parliament if he fails to attract any trenchantly right-wing or Radical Conservatives who are disgruntled with their centrist leaders. :)
 
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Oranje Verzet: Mosley is still incredibly far from power at this point, obviously. I don't think it's any great surprise to say that he will certainly never gain a parliamentary majority. :)

GhostWriter: Wery interestink indeed, mein herr!

Draco Rexus: Thank you!

Allenby: Well, I reasoned that a Mosley here could - I know it's stretching the bounds a little - capture three seats.

First, he has had no tete a tete with the Labour Party here, thanks to them being in the wilderness through the 20's, and him arriving at Fascism earlier. In that sense, Mosley looks less like an opportunist here, and more like a solid man of the right, who is nevertheless intensely interested in the major issue of the day - uneployment, which the Tories have so far failed to solve - and will now only get worse.

Second, We have had a kind of 'falling out' with Centrism already here. The Tories under Joyhnson-Hicks made a balls-up of handling the General Strike, and Labour looks consistently unelectable. Or at least, electable to the point where it can gain a working majority.

Third, we are in a different European political climate here. For obvious reasons, radical solutions will inevitably appeal more than they did in Britain in real life, as it is now effectively the only large power in Europe to retain it's democratic character.

In this sense, Mosley retaining his seat and winning two others in the East End - In reality, and now here, always the BUF's heartland - wasn't really wholly unrealistic.

I hope that clarifies it a bit. :)
 
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Thanks, Tim. An update will be here sooner rather than later.

People might be interested to note that I've generally fleshed-out how this AAR will progress, and ultimately, end, now. It's just a question of writing it all and playing the game! (Finally.)

And Jesus, I'm still editing the game startup for 1936. Now I know how Yogi felt with 'The Eagle'.