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This should be in the DoomDark/Hartman-thread, but i couldnt remember wich one that was. Here Goes:

in 1466, Albrecht Achilles recives the freedom for Prussia in the peace of Thorn. Shouldnt this mean that it is independant when the game begins? Opposed to the vassalization to Poland as it is now. Indeed Prussia reverts to becoming a Polish province in 1525 when Albrecht von Hohenzollern gives it away. but that is 50 something years later. Now am i totally missinformed here or what? and if i am right, can this please be included in the doomdark-patch?

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After some serious searching: The flag of prussia should be without the black cross.
e g, only with the black eagle on white background. The flag used now isnt used in Prussia until 1712.

couldnt help posting it as someone asked for this info (dunno who).
 

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This has been discussed to death..

Prussia was a fief of Poland from 1466. From 1525 to 1657, titled 'East Prussia' under the Dukes.


1525-61 Livonia was the only independent rump of the state of the Teutonic Order.
Thereafter Polish, Swedish and Russian.

'..his efforts (Polish King) were greatly furthered by the war against the Order (1454-66) and were rewarded by the acquisition of Royal Prussia (from 1525 East Prussia, or Ducal Prussia), Osiwecim (1454) Rawa and Belz (1462) and Sochaczew (1476). '

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'Similarly, in Poland the king showed little initiative in foreign policy. When the Prussians, however, revolted in 1454 against their overlord, the Teutonic Order, and placed themselves under the protection of Casimir, he was aware that this was a unique opportunity to destroy the power of the order. In October 1453 the cities and gentry of Prussia, in a dispute with the order (which had been excommunicated by the pope and put under the ban of the Holy Roman Empire), placed themselves under Casimir's overlordship. Subsequently, in February 1454, they renounced their allegiance to the order. They then captured 57 towns and castles, and on March 6, 1454, Casimir incorporated all of Prussia with Poland, with a guarantee of autonomy and of freedom from taxation. When, as a result, war broke out and Polish Levy en mass (peasants) troops were severely defeated by the order near Konitz (or Chonjice)(Sept. 18, 1454), it was mainly Casimir's perseverance and stubbornness that led eventually to successes after a bloody victory at Puck (Sept. 17, 1462). The papacy finally intervened, and by the second Treaty of Torun (Thorn; Oct. 19, 1466), all of western Prussia, called 'Royal Prussia,' was ceded to Poland, while the remainder of Prussia was held by the Teutonic Order as a fief of the Polish crown. Though the order thus retained a part of its former territory and 'Royal Prussia' was not formally incorporated but only united with the Polish kingdom while preserving its own diet and administration, this treaty was Casimir's most important foreign policy success.'


Thirteen Years' War

(1454-66), war between Poland and the Teutonic Knights that began as a revolt by the Prussian populace against their overlords, the Teutonic Knights, and was concluded by the Treaty of Torun (Thorn; Oct. 19, 1466). In 1454 rebel Prussian groups petitioned Casimir IV of Poland for aid against the Knights. Casimir declared war on them, and in 1462 won the decisive Battle of Puck. After this the Order lost, Gniew, Puck, Nowe, Starogard, and Chojnice within a few months.

***In the Treaty of Torun, the Teutonic Order surrendered the eastern part of Pomerania (Pomerelia) and western Prussia--eastern Prussia was a vassal state of the Polish crown, with its own diet and administration and capital at Königsberg (now Kaliningrad, Russia)--and the order was opened to Poles.***


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