provinces, which need to be corrected

[mdw1985]

As some of you might have noticed, i wasn't very happy with the bavarian provinces on the map (it has a thread already). did you see pther mistakes on the map concerning the province names or their location. Maybe we should collect all issues here for the devs

 

[henzington]

Was Stalingrad in the wrong place again like in HoI3?

 

[paranoidsteve]

The map does not recreate reality for game-play reasons, look at the size of the English channel or Gibraltar . So you can expect some names to be incorrect.

 

[mdw1985]

The map does not recreate reality for game-play reasons, look at the size of the English channel or Gibraltar . So you can expect some names to be incorrect.

I understand that. But names of provinces should be correct though. You just can't name the province, where paris is, "bretagne" and the region of toulouse "ile de france" for example, just like you can't name the province, where munich lies "niederbayern" and the province where regensburg lies "oberbayern".

Edit: naming the munich region niederbayern has nothing to do with gameplay reasons...it's just a mistake

Edit 2: and the thing i love about pdx is just, that they want to be historically accurate. This thread's intention is to help the devs on that matter by the community

 

[LordOfWar16]

Provinces in Hearts of Iron IV are bigger than in Hearts of Iron III so its expected to be less accurate. Besides that,its probably not even final. Other than that if it really bothers you that much you can probably simply edit the names of the provinces yourself or find someone that can do it for you if you really cant stand it.

 

[mdw1985]

Provinces in Hearts of Iron IV are bigger than in Hearts of Iron III so its expected to be less accurate. Besides that,its probably not even final and to be honnest, i personaly wouldnt really care that much. Besides that if it really bothers you that much you can simply edit the names of the provinces yourself or find someone that can do it for you if you really cant stand it.

Really? I don't care about the correct borders of each province. But at least they should be named correctly. Of course it's not a huge issue. And i wouldn't care, if the game would be developed by another company. But since pdx cares very much about historical accuracy and correctness in their games, i just wanted to mention some mistakes. Games aren't just games. Many people take informations displayed there as true. And if someone in russia or the usa thinks, that munich is in niederbayern, then it's just wrong...even if it doesn't touch the faneplay for most people. It's one of the tasks of this forum, to point at mistakes in the game. And i can't imagine, that the devs wouldn't care about them

 

[Hans_Schnitzel]

Provinces in Hearts of Iron IV are bigger than in Hearts of Iron III so its expected to be less accurate. Besides that,its probably not even final and to be honnest, i personaly wouldnt really care that much. Besides that if it really bothers you that much you can simply edit the names of the provinces yourself or find someone that can do it for you if you really cant stand it.

Provinces are as small as they were in HoI3 and they are not named. States have names. States are made of 5-10 provinces.

 

[LordOfWar16]

Provinces are as small as they were in HoI3 and they are not named. States have names. States are made of 5-10 provinces.

actually the provinces themself are bigger aswell compared to HoI III. In HoI III the netherlands consist of 38 provinces, while in HoI IV they consist of ~20ish.

 

[Hans_Schnitzel]

actually the provinces themself are bigger aswell compared to HoI III.

http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2010/11/full-10095-2327-hoi3game_2010_10_13_12_26_51_82.jpg HoI3

http://i.imgur.com/txlM1kh.jpg HoI4.

I don't think the provinces are bigger.

 

[podcat]

http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2010/11/full-10095-2327-hoi3game_2010_10_13_12_26_51_82.jpg HoI3

http://i.imgur.com/txlM1kh.jpg HoI4.

I don't think the provinces are bigger.

we removed provinces in some areas and added in some other. no idea if the average size has gone up or down

 

[LordOfWar16]

http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2010/11/full-10095-2327-hoi3game_2010_10_13_12_26_51_82.jpg HoI3

http://i.imgur.com/txlM1kh.jpg HoI4.

I don't think the provinces are bigger.

I have the game open and videos of HoI IV at the same time and counted the provinces. Netherlands and Belgium consist of way less provinces.

Edit: Oh, thanks podcat for the claification.

 

[Axe99]

I have the game open and videos of HoI IV at the same time and counted the provinces. Netherlands and Belgium consist of way less provinces.

Edit: Oh, thanks podcat for the claification.

This isn't a bad thing for the Netherlands, in HoI3 they had a bunch too many - in some parts, even at max zoom, the counter stacks overlapped because the provinces were so small!

 

[potski]

no idea if the average size has gone up or down

I thought you confirmed along time ago that the overall number of provinces in the game has slightly increased? With more provinces in areas like China. Which means that the average size has reduced.

Either way, focussing on a few provinces in Benelux area is not right. But,

did you see pther mistakes on the map concerning the province names...

Provinces don't have names, other than a few cities. I guess you mean the states and regions.

Since there are no RL states in UK for instance, then these are always going to be a bit subjective of how they should be named. But by all means suggest alternative names for the areas. But can we avoid discussions about whether a state is "accurate" in it's borders, unless it really does impact gameplay, like the area of Shanxi given to Comm.China.

 

[Krafty]

Wow with those two screenshots together...

HOI4s shoreline is really, really bad. I mean that with the most love possible, but....holy crap the shore line is ugly as sin and not even remotely correct.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=403025031

Load up that map mod in Eu4. Thats what the coastline of northern Germany looks like.

Why does HOI hate the Zeelands?

 

[Krafty]

And am I crazy or in that HOI4 screen shot, is the mouth of the Elbe like 40 miles wide?

 

[Angel Walker]

And am I crazy or in that HOI4 screen shot, is the mouth of the Elbe like 40 miles wide?

It's probably because there's a port in Hamburg, so it needs to have a direct connection to the sea (for engine and/or clarity purposes I guess).

The English Channel also looks wider than it is, for similar reasons.

 

[Hans_Schnitzel]

Yeah, the channel has to be wide so the ship models properly fit without being confusing as to where they are. Same for the mini counters.

 

[Krafty]

It's probably because there's a port in Hamburg, so it needs to have a direct connection to the sea (for engine and/or clarity purposes I guess).

The English Channel also looks wider than it is, for similar reasons.

It is Germany's "Gateway to the World" and all. Just looks weird. I guess its better than it not even being a port in HOI3.

 

[Angel Walker]

It is Germany's "Gateway to the World" and all. Just looks weird. I guess its better than it not even being a port in HOI3.

Yes, though if I remember correctly it was patched at some point (might have been a mod instead), but then it just became an inland province with a dock, which also looked weird, and somewhat counter-intuitive. Anyway, not a big deal IMO. I'm way more annoyed about the whole America's placement thing. But as far as accurate borders and shorelines are concerned, it looks way better than HoI3, even after the patches, and on pair with Victoria 2.

And I also agree it would be helpful to point out incorrect/misplaced province and city names, but the game is still in development, so we can't ever know for sure if something is final or not. Might be a lot more productive to wait until the game is released before we go around pointing it out...

 

[Victor Cortez]

Sounthern continental Italy looks a bit weird.
Calabria and Puglia are strangely united.

Edit: yes, I know, kind of minor thing.