Provinces Way Too Big
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Remember March of the Eagles, or HoI3? When you have that many provinces, they just become tactical tiles.
Please, we are trying to have a real talk, there, if you want to make a point, use this thing called argumentation, people of both sides do it, and it works perfectly, plus, I don't see how expressing his own opinion is whining.
The debate is going pretty well untill now, no need to waste it like a lot of interesting threads in there.
About this provinces, I have to admit I would like to see more of them, it seems even easier for EU IV than EU III, because over extension is generated by the base tax while, in EU III, infamy was created by the number of provinces you take.
It also seems that provincial or regional decisions have disappear in EU IV, so I don't presume that a biggest amount of provinces would provoke too much micro-managment.
On the other hand, too much provinces could make the map unreadable to some people, and couldd make the game less pleasant (even if, in my mind, the March of the Eagles system was just perfect, with one fort per region, and a lot of provinces).
Whatever, I'm pretty sure there will be nice provinces mod very soon, for everyone's taste, sadly, Futomato, I don't have the skill required to do this, I should read some tutos about modding one day.
Also a fair point. Almost all EU3 mods implemented higher province-count maps (and they always caused problems as well)
Also slight tangent here but I don't think there was anything wrong with either of those posts and I will say that we should keep the FULL content of our posts relevant to the topic and not stray from the topic.
How about instead of posting rude comments, you be sensible and keep to yourself.
How about you stop butting in on a discussion while you can't even contribute anything constructive of your own?
I was being sensible. But I digress. Are you a developer? Do you want to spend hours of your day, every day for years adding more provinces to the demand of irrational contributions.
Alot of provinces have been added in past EU3 expansions, and its been said quite a few more have been added for Eu4. Play Eu3 v1.0 just for fun, youll be amazed.
What the hell is wrong with your attitude?
This is his thread and he has every right to respond to someone insulting him and telling him he's whining.
How about you stop being a huge jerk and making this whole community ashamed of you?
Please keep your posts on topic we can't have a discussion if people are going to turn this into an argument about how to argue.
Well since it doesn't look like this discussion will be staying relevant, I'll just say that we can all agree that Paradox, with their experience producing 2 CKs, 2 Victorias, and 4 EUs, has done their fair share of experimenting with province counts and has a good idea of what the "sweet spot" is that allows for sufficiently deep but still efficient gameplay. Many people ask for more provinces but they really don't know what they're asking for and don't think about the negative consequences of adding provinces, they just want more stuff to conquer.
I started the thread. Is that constructive enough for you?
With the exception of a few jerks in here, you have all done a good job giving me some perspective on the issue. And I'm glad some people know how to have an actual discussion without ad hominem attacks.
I always thought every game after EU2 (including Vicky 1 and 2) had too many provinces. I always considered adding more and more provinces for each game was a bad idea. More and more provinces just makes each province less important. Larger and fewer provinces makes sure some provinces become more valuable than others, thus encourages more strategic gameplay.
The system works best if each province is around the same size. Otherwise you end up with silly things like the cost of building canals in a tiny province is the same as the cost in a huge province.
Behind the scenes the game is storing the current situation in every province (which ones are looted, which have buildings, who owns which one, etc). That all takes memory, and increases the size of the saved games and scenarios. However if you have sufficient memory it doesn't slow the game down very much at all. EUIV is a 32 bit application, which means even though your current PC may have more memory EUIV can't use any more than EUIII could (EUIII was also a 32 bit application). When EUIV was announced people were asking for it to be 64 bit, but its too late for that now.
The game also has to do calculations with provinces. Which route is faster for soldiers to march on. Will revolvers pop up in this provinces, provincial random events, provincial spread events (for example the spread of Protestantism into adjacent provinces). All that takes CPU time and slows the game down. Some are linear - if you double the number of provinces then you double the number of random event checks you have to do. However others scale much worse - like the calculations for which route soldiers should take.
i dont know what your complaining about. Thier the right size maybe even a bit small compared to Roman Provinces whence the name derives from.
Also cross reference this map of French Ancient Regieme Provinces youll find that many Provinces in EU4 are smaller than the historic ones in many cases used by the actual Empires of the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Provinces_of_France.png
Also cross reference this map of French Ancient Regieme Provinces youll find that many Provinces in EU4 are smaller than the historic ones in many cases used by the actual Empires of the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Provinces_of_France.png
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Also heres the Ottoman Provinces in the 17th century. They only got into making sensible province sizes for the Ottoman empire around the 19th century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ottoman_Empire_(1609).png 17th century
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ottoman_Empire_(1900).png 19th century.
so ya Provinces are small compared to historic ones... That said English and their dam counties liked to have all these small divisions of lands so English have far bigger provinces as a result. But i dont really like to compare counties to provinces... too small...
But ya Provinces are fine in my eyes. Their size is averaged to keep things even across the board relatively (though with Europeans getting more provinces as per usual)
You haven't contributed anything but "They're too big" and "It doesn't make sense" to your own thread so I think he's got a fair criticism there.
China needs more provinces, it just seems wrong to have multiple provinces with populations in the millions and millions.
What world do you live in? Current china has provinces who have billions of people living in them whats wrong with millions?
http://www.sacu.org/maps/provmap.png
Current Provinces of China.
Ming Provinces almost the same with a few differences (mostly by modern china splitting bigger provinces into smaller ones) and of course minus a few due to territorial gains (like tibet).