Protestantism spawn too early ; Reform era is too long

[hegel68]

I kid you not, when I was doing Marie de Lotharingie achievement, reformation spawned in 1480!!

Well, in my new Austria game, it spawned in 1472 ... eleven years before Luther was even born. That's really ridiculous.

 

[klingonadmiral]

I think you meant Age of Reformation, not Revolutions.
Come to think, I'd also put Russia as RoTW because they have one hell of a time getting institutions.

Oh yes, Unite your culture group is silly hard and outright impossible for nearly every culture group. I'd rank that as the hardest amongst all Age Goals.

Yeah, Age of Reformation.

And actually, I feel that many of the Reformation's age objectives have issues:

Join the Reformation: Literally unable as most countries. They could at least add Embracing the Counter-Reformation to it, and perhaps even flipping to Sikh.
Humanist or Religious: Reliable, BUT it heavily limits idea group flexibility during the early game.
Convert Provinces: Reliable for anyone not in the middle of a religious area unwilling to flip religion.
Colonial Empire: Ahahahahaha. I've never completed this objective once, not even in my Spain runs.
Converted another Nation: See "Convert Provinces"
Asian Trade: Basically exist only for the Asians and perhaps Portugal. But if you start in the region, relatively reliable to get, even if not always right from the start of the Age.
Unify Culture: Lol no

 

[AndrewPiano]

I agree this is a bad problem. Perhaps a simple solution would be to get rid of the Reform Desire mechanic, and have the Reformation start in 1517. This way, the Age of Discovery lasts for a good amount of time, and the Age of Reformation would as well.

Another idea I had was that the Reformation would start in 1517, or LATER due to Reform Desire mechanics that all Catholic countries can interact with.

 

[swagmeister]

Colonial Empire: Ahahahahaha. I've never completed this objective once, not even in my Spain runs.

This was very feasible before the exploration idea nerf.

Unify culture ranges from impossible for certain culture groups but very easy for groups like Greek or British.

 

[EarlKonrad]

Yeah, Age of Reformation.

And actually, I feel that many of the Reformation's age objectives have issues:

Join the Reformation: Literally unable as most countries. They could at least add Embracing the Counter-Reformation to it, and perhaps even flipping to Sikh.
Humanist or Religious: Reliable, BUT it heavily limits idea group flexibility during the early game.
Convert Provinces: Reliable for anyone not in the middle of a religious area unwilling to flip religion.
Colonial Empire: Ahahahahaha. I've never completed this objective once, not even in my Spain runs.
Converted another Nation: See "Convert Provinces"
Asian Trade: Basically exist only for the Asians and perhaps Portugal. But if you start in the region, relatively reliable to get, even if not always right from the start of the Age.
Unify Culture: Lol no

Nailed it. The Reformation goals are by far the hardest and most Eurocentric. I'm fine with the latter but think that the former should be addressed, maybe switch out Join the Reformation for something else for religions that can't join it, just like the PU AoD Goal is to have vassals for all non-Chatolic nations.

 

[Republic of Mercury]

Oh yes, Unite your culture group is silly hard and outright impossible for nearly every culture group. I'd rank that as the hardest amongst all Age Goals.

*Laughs in Korean*

 

[Silvanel]

Reformation spawned 1480 for me in my current game.
I am also really annoyed by reformation centers or to be specific by the fact that they can convert same province over and over. Playing as Austria i think i force converted Memmingen to Catholic (cleansing heresy CB) FIVE TIMES. Then one year after i enforce conversion the reformation center converts them back. Over 50 years the province changed religion mroe than ten times i think

 

[holyvigil]

Yeah, Age of Reformation.

And actually, I feel that many of the Reformation's age objectives have issues:

Join the Reformation: Literally unable as most countries. They could at least add Embracing the Counter-Reformation to it, and perhaps even flipping to Sikh.
Humanist or Religious: Reliable, BUT it heavily limits idea group flexibility during the early game.
Convert Provinces: Reliable for anyone not in the middle of a religious area unwilling to flip religion.
Colonial Empire: Ahahahahaha. I've never completed this objective once, not even in my Spain runs.
Converted another Nation: See "Convert Provinces"
Asian Trade: Basically exist only for the Asians and perhaps Portugal. But if you start in the region, relatively reliable to get, even if not always right from the start of the Age.
Unify Culture: Lol no

Colonial empire is definitely too difficult.

Sikh should really be added it is a reformation religion.

I'd say Shia too but it's a lot older than the Reformation age so maybe not

 

[Steel_atlas]

Honestly colonialism should function more like the Renaissance except Iberia not northern Italy.

And honestly colonialism just needs to be reworked.

But TBH the fact that Europeans rarely succedd at setting up TC where they historically did is more aggravating.

The Portuguese reached India in 1498.

 

[Prince Ire]

I had it start in 1510........ with me as the Pope taking all of the options that decrease the frequency with which events that increase reform desire occur. Reform desire is out of control and needs to be reworked.

 

[holyvigil]

I had it start in 1510........ with me as the Pope taking all of the options that decrease the frequency with which events that increase reform desire occur. Reform desire is out of control and needs to be reworked.

Reform desire increases by 1 a year.

The reformation usually begins in eu4 on 1490.

Selecting all 4 options decreases reform speed by 20 years; that is -20%

The reformation began for you right when it is calculated to begin: 1510.

I think those events should be buffed to -10% personally. 1530 seems reasonable.
Or later. If there is nothing for the reformation to complain about then why is there a reformation happening?

 

[hegel68]

The reformation began for you right when it is calculated to begin: 1510.

So, the Reformation is calculated to begin seven years before it actually started, but only if you take all options to delay it, which the AI usually doesn't do?

 

[holyvigil]

So, the Reformation is calculated to begin seven years before it actually started, but only if you take all options to delay it, which the AI usually doesn't do?

I don't know why I thought that was historical but I've edited it.

The reformation should on average start on 1517 or later when Martin Luther historically became a protestant.