Protestant League won't attack?

[Canute VII]

Historically, catholic France joined the 30 years war in the protestant side, so I can't really be mad that they do in this game. The Ottomans were sworn ennemies of Austria (or rather the HRE), so it also makes a lot of sense for them to try to weaken them.

Because France protected Trier. Do not confuse deeds and motivations. Being keen on weakening the HRE is not the same as being keen on making the HRE a protestant party club.

 

[Suzaku]

Because France protected Trier. Do not confuse deeds and motivations. Being keen on weakening the HRE is not the same as being keen on making the HRE a protestant party club.

Actually France was surrounded by Habsburgs in France and in HRE and wanted to weaken the dynasty so they would be less of a threat, and not so much with Tier.

 

[Canute VII]

Actually France was surrounded by Habsburgs in France and in HRE and wanted to weaken the dynasty so they would be less of a threat, and not so much with Tier.

My words...

 

[yerm]

In real life there was not some flat bonus to your faith of choice for winning a one time predictably large war. The 30 years war was a series of smaller entanglements, most nations coming and going, and the backbone of the Protestant side was the French crown's support.

You can claim that Ottomans or Catholic France joining in on the Protestant team is ahistorical. You would be correct. You would also be cherry picking. Nations all fighting at once is also ahistorical. Protestants needing to declare war would be ahistorical. Nations encouraged to not make separate peace ahistorical. The list goes on and on. When it comes right down to it, given the way it's implemented, having religion take a back seat to HRE/Emperor rivalries and allowing anyone (except said Emperor) able to just pick their side makes the most sense. If anything should change it's the religion-wide bonus that hurts people helping their non-faith; it should probably be HRE only like a reform.

 

[DS_McWerp]

League wars are a fun world war mechanic. Biggest issue now with it is the fact that all the emperors (Austria) enemies instajoin, while other nations take time to join the catholic side. Allowing the Protestant league leader (especially if a player) to declare a war where it's their allies vs Austrians allies. Oh, and the player also get Bohemia, ottomans, France, Venice, and sometimes Aragon on their team for free.

Got lion of the north the other day without even contributing to the war...

 

[Sunspawn]

Because France protected Trier. Do not confuse deeds and motivations. Being keen on weakening the HRE is not the same as being keen on making the HRE a protestant party club.

Actually France was surrounded by Habsburgs in France and in HRE and wanted to weaken the dynasty so they would be less of a threat, and not so much with Tier.

My words...

First post - France joined to protect Trier.
Second post - no it did not.
Third post - of course it did not, that's what I said.

Please go find your logic circuits Canute, you are very clearly contradicting yourself. Also, France was not keen on weakening the HRE - it wanted to weaken the Habsburg Monarchy, which making Austria ineligible for the imperial crown would have achieved.

Anyway, the whole mechanic should be replaced, since having one big muthering war is very much not how it happened. I'd rather have some score-keeping mechanic, with anyone being able to join on either side in intra-HRE wars between protestants/reformed and catholics, with various ways to keep score and maybe even a score of how involved everyone in the conflicts.

 

[Vourtigaunt]

League wars are a bit weird at the moment. At least in my last game. I played Russia, so I didn't really care, but this was the Catholic league:
Everyone in the HRE excluding 2 protestant electors. For some reason even reformed Switzerland was in there.

This was the Protestant league:
France, Great Britain, Denmark-Norway, Commonwealth, Naples-almost-Italy, Hungary, Ottomans., Spain ... I did NOT want to be the pope (only non-HRE catholic member) or the Habsburgs at that time. Anyway, almost NONE of the protestant league was, well, protestant.

 

[Arizal]

What I'm upset is about that you can't join the war mid strode like it happened in real life. As well as the Catholics were supposed to have been the ones who started it.

I discovered how to do that recently. You have to have a good relationship with the side you wnat to join, and then you can try to enforce peace. Then, you will be on the side you want to be, even if the war is going on since many years.

 

[PAnZuRiEL]

I discovered how to do that recently. You have to have a good relationship with the side you wnat to join, and then you can try to enforce peace. Then, you will be on the side you want to be, even if the war is going on since many years.

I'm pretty sure you can only enforce peace against the aggressor, meaning you could only join the Catholic side of the war.

 

[bbqftw]

If anything should change it's the religion-wide bonus that hurts people helping their non-faith; it should probably be HRE only like a reform.

otherwise there's not really an incentive to help 'your religion' win, without it the only consideration is "which rival that joined the league war do I beat up in my separate war"

 

[Suzaku]

First post - France joined to protect Trier.
Second post - no it did not.
Third post - of course it did not, that's what I said.

Please go find your logic circuits Canute, you are very clearly contradicting yourself. Also, France was not keen on weakening the HRE - it wanted to weaken the Habsburg Monarchy, which making Austria ineligible for the imperial crown would have achieved.

Anyway, the whole mechanic should be replaced, since having one big muthering war is very much not how it happened. I'd rather have some score-keeping mechanic, with anyone being able to join on either side in intra-HRE wars between protestants/reformed and catholics, with various ways to keep score and maybe even a score of how involved everyone in the conflicts.

http://www.history.com/topics/thirty-years-war
History channel website disagrees.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/the-thirty-years-war/france-and-the-thirty-years-war/

History learning site has both Tier and encirclement as motivations.



https://europeanhistory.boisestate.edu/reformation/germany/30yw.shtml

Boise State says France feared the treaty of Prague, and that's when increased support for their war. Granted after raid on Tier, but troops on the Rhine, collapse of Sweden were also factors. But Richelieu moved to oppose Habsburgs in HRE and Spain because of the threat of the Peace of Prague.