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Olleus

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I'm trying to reform the HRE as Bavaria, and was planning to do as Protestant as I prefer the bonuses to catholic and (in my experience) it's easier to make everyone in the HRE Protestant than to keep them Catholic.

Current status:
Things are going well so far at 1500. I've been allied to Saxony, Brandenburg and Poland (sadly, they never PU'd Lithuania) all game and have 6/7 electors constantly supporting me. Recently PU'd Palatine too. The HRE is in a healthy shape: Italy obviously left but I've got 45 princes including a full contingency of Free Cities and have passed the first two reforms, and I've liberated all imperial princes from Denmark. Austria and Bohemia have been my rivals almost from the start of the game but I've repeatedly crushed and humiliated them, I'm slowly breaking them up to take the best land for myself while also increasing the HRE princes count. The only slight problem is a super powerful France who I narrowly avoided completely losing an imperial defence war from, but they now have 7 imperial provinces (the only ones outside the empire). I'm on a good terms with them so should avoid an outright war, and have allied England and Milan to create a stronger defence force.
tl;dr I have a commanding position of the empire at 1500 and can probably win any defensive war in Europe.

But I want to eventually become a protestant Emperor. There are, as I understand it, a few different ways of doing that.

1) Convert to Protestantism as soon as the reformation happens. I lose the emperorship but (should I inherit Palatine in time) I'd become an elector and therefore lead the Protestant religious league.

2) Don't convert until the religious leagues open up, then convert ASA

3) Stay catholic (and emperor) until the religious league war starts, then immediately surrender, let the empire go Protestant and then convert myself.


Are there any other options? Currently 1) is my favourite (for RP reasons if nothing else) but is likely to backfire as inheriting an electorship is always a very risky proposition. 3) Feels very gamey and I can't stay I'd seriously consider it. 2) is tempting, but I'm worried about all my non-HRE allies being in the wrong league and all the damage that might do militaristically and diplomatically.
 

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Don't convert until the religious leagues open up, then convert ASAP. That would result in a weak emperor
Not that much, since they only lack some manpower, or what do you mean?

owever, I won't get to lead the religious league
Well, that's not true. You still can become leader afterwards.

I would go an in-between route of 1 and 2. When i try to become protestant emperor (mostly as brandenburg ofc ;)), i like to wait a couple of months and let others reform first. I had the situation where I reformed first, but no one followed xD that was quiet a middle finger... Converting your provinces is fast enough, the center doesn't help that much. And they can decide to convert your land anyway. Protecting them is quiet important, though, and of course harder when you don't already control one.

Well, anyway, good luck!
 

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Not that much, since they only lack some manpower, or what do you mean?

They'll lack manpower, and wont have had the FL and gold bonus for long enough to form a large standing army.


What are the rules for being religious league leader? I thought it went to the first elector who converted?

I remember from my last HRE game that converting to Protestantism early gave some benefits with relations/church power. But that was a few years ago, not sure that this is still the case.
 

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Not that it matters that much or that it should discourage you, but becoming protestant as Bavaria means that you pretty much waste your nice yearly papal influence bonus (+1 from your national idea, and potentially another +1 from the Jesuits in Bavaria event).
Bavaria is a very good country to unify the empire as a catholic, it is IMHO not ideal for a protestant empire.
 

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I did the 1) in my Bavaria run and it went very well. The earlier you convert to protestant, the more there are protestant princes. The Bavarian NIs are excellent for protestants ( even if the papal influence is lost ) as the +3% heretic conversion strength increases the conversion rate of all owned reformation centers which again helps converting the princes.
 

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The rules for becoming protestant leader are still not 100% clear.
But there are many threads about that. What is known is, that the leader is chosen among the members and the chance of becoming leader increases with:
- Being Protestant
- Being HRE Elector
- (Total?) Dev
- At Peace
- Army Size (/Strength?)

Which means that a big elector who is at peace and have a big army is likely to become the leader.
*EDIT*
There might be more known factors, but those are the most important i can remember
 

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The army part is still disputed, everything else is known.
You also missed "part of the HRE" as HRE members have a higher chance too.

More importantly though: We don't know the weight of each modifier. I still don't know how OPM Hessen snatched emperorship from my 1400 dev Sweden and have started to suspect that it's just bugged and they refuse to admit it.
 

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