[PROPOSAL] Kaiserreich for East vs West

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Jeez Pavlos, I never read so many shoulds in my life.

Anyhow.

I really feel ambivalent regarding this kind of thing. The beauty of KR is the lack of define canon after the first few months. Summing up a scenario smells like inching towards an established timeline.

ohh i have overdone it with "should". sorry english is not my native languarge so i cant control it the proper way

 

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- Greece is is also bigger, Russia controls Istanbul (Constantinaples).

why the russians contol constantinople?if they were allied to greece they would probably give it to them and force the turks to give the areas between the city and greek borders.(maybe russia can have some early in game events with greek riots and can choose to give the city to the greeks and demand tukrey to give greece thrace)

 

[VI Imre]

why the russians contol constantinople?if they were allied to greece they would probably give it to them and force the turks to give the areas between the city and greek borders.(maybe russia can have some early in game events with greek riots and can choose to give the city to the greeks and demand tukrey to give greece thrace)

Before WW1 Russia suffered of 2 facts, they didn't really have any major ports in respect of naval trade thus they had little influence on it, and a military problem that they didn't have a direct access to the Mediterranean. During WW1 Russia set claiming Istanbul as a goal, and had they not collapse and win the war on the side of the Entente it is very very likely that Istanbul landed in the hands of the Tzar (much much more likely than being reclaimed by Greece). Therefore in this scenario with the powerful Vozhd at the helm of Greater Russia they succeeded to secure this port from the Turks. Of course in the city itself the Greeks are the greatest winners as it is again under Greek administration but from military respect, the city is still under Russian control.

 

[BrunoDerKaiser]

I hate how everyone, in every possible timeline, screws Austria

 

[viola]

Since the tread has been revived I’ll post the new map:



Changes:
- Canada is a semi-autonomous region within CSA (like Poland) that could be either annexed or set free.
- Tibet is given to China and Sinkiang to Russia.
- Brazil and Bolivia gain some territories from La Plata.
- Burma is a puppet of the Indian Commune.
- Damascus is now controlled by Egypt.

The alliances in 1946:
The Warsaw Pact: Russian Empire (with Poland), Kingdom of Prussia, Japan (with Indonesia and Indochina), Qing China, Manchuria, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Yugoslavia, Greece.
Aligned States: Mittelafrika, Australasia, National France, La Plata, Delhi, Peru, Ecuador, Colombia, Turkey, Persia.

NATO: CSA (with Canada), Commune of France, Union of Britain, Mexico, Centro-America, The Caribbean Federation, Federacion Anarquista Iberica, Italian Socialist Republic, German Union, Austria, Czech Republic, Netherland, Scandinavia.
Aligned states: Brazil, Bolivia, Venezuela, South Africa, Indian Commune, Burma.

Neutral States: Egypt, Arabia, Afghanistan, Siam, Ethiopia, Ireland, Israel/Madagascar, Kurdistan, Libya, Hawaii.

 

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Before WW1 Russia suffered of 2 facts, they didn't really have any major ports in respect of naval trade thus they had little influence on it, and a military problem that they didn't have a direct access to the Mediterranean. During WW1 Russia set claiming Istanbul as a goal, and had they not collapse and win the war on the side of the Entente it is very very likely that Istanbul landed in the hands of the Tzar (much much more likely than being reclaimed by Greece). Therefore in this scenario with the powerful Vozhd at the helm of Greater Russia they succeeded to secure this port from the Turks. Of course in the city itself the Greeks are the greatest winners as it is again under Greek administration but from military respect, the city is still under Russian control.

what the russians really wanted wasnt to actualy capture Constantinople just to be able to have an opening to med. ,thats the reason the russians most times supported their friendly bulgarian(and also it was one of the reasons the brits supported the greeks, to prevent the russians from getting to med.). so if greece is allied and friendly(the greek serbian and russian poppulations consider themselfs brothers) they have no need to control the city, for the gameplay as long as greece is their allie they have access to the med and can use greek bases.

another thing, why turkey is aligned to russia?turkey after its defeat can turn syndicalist and join nato to take revenge.

 

[viola]

another thing, why turkey is aligned to russia?turkey after its defeat can turn syndicalist and join nato to take revenge.

After their crushing defeat in war and the occupation of Costantinople Turkey was reduced to a puppet state controlled by Russia, so the Turks were forced to support their former enemies.
Of course the Turkish goverment is very unpopular and is probable that a syndacalist backed revolution will explode sooner or later.

 

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After their crushing defeat in war and the occupation of Costantinople Turkey was reduced to a puppet state controlled by Russia, so the Turks were forced to support their former enemies.
Of course the Turkish goverment is very unpopular and is probable that a syndacalist backed revolution will explode sooner or later.

syndicalist revolution/coup would surely happen cause 1)turkey is very close to caucasus(=oil => nato would want turkey on their side) ,2)from turkey u can easily get to constantinople (=blocking russians ships in black sea and opening more options for naval invasions in less guarded areas => nato would want turkey on their side). 3)the turks hate the russians and the greeks and also most nations in the alliance are orthodox who they also hate 4)turkey is a beaten countries and beaten countries always turn to extremism

 

[T.j. Arnold]

Hmm, basically it's WWII alliances (for the most par), except that the Allies are Communists.

 

[viola]

syndicalist revolution/coup would surely happen cause 1)turkey is very close to caucasus(=oil => nato would want turkey on their side) ,2)from turkey u can easily get to constantinople (=blocking russians ships in black sea and opening more options for naval invasions in less guarded areas => nato would want turkey on their side). 3)the turks hate the russians and the greeks and also most nations in the alliance are orthodox who they also hate 4)turkey is a beaten countries and beaten countries always turn to extremism

Exactly, it would be a good scenario for a Crisis, a bit like Afghanistan.

 

[oberstbrooksy]

I think the former US should still be balkanized with the 4 major US successor states some where around there or the CSA and a large Canadian puppet is just going to rape everything.