Hey, so I am currently thinking about doing a WW2 era history mod for the game, I dunno, I think its kind of pointless to have two competing mods, maybe we should think about working together? Find an agreeable scenario?
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Ah, I see, another fellow who hasn't read the previous pages. I've read yours on the EvW forums.
i) It's NOT!!!! a nazi Germany vs. USA mod, in this scenario WW1 was won by the Central powers.
ii) For the most part we are done with this scenario. We are currently waiting to EvW get released and the Kaiserreich team say something about it. To learn more about Kaiserreich I stronly advise you to play it and read Kaiserwiki to get the background story.
iii) I didn't like your nazi Germany vs USA scenario either but you could make it better either by reading the Vaterland book or getting some ideas from the Fatherland scenario for DH thread.
iv) I hope and I'm pretty sure as well, that there will be numerous cold war scenario mods in EvW. I can even imagine that there will be more than one Kaiserreich cold war scenarios released given the large number of choices and possible outcomes in Kaiserreich mod.
@Gukpa What the heck?
why the belgrade pact has to lose the 4rth balkan war?wouldnt it be more interesting to have a prorussian power in the Balkans instead of another allie of Germany? Greece should have achieved megali idea and moved capital to Constantinople, serbia should have montergo ,bosnia and north macedonia(today fyrom) , and romania should just get the one provice it wants from bulgaria.bulgaria should be a greek or serbian puppet. the alliance should possibly make another war with turkey to get more anatolian lands for greece, and then the alliance should join russia , turn into a federation , or greece can turn nationalist and try to get north macedonia ,rumelia and north epirus
Jeez Pavlos, I never read so many shoulds in my life.
Anyhow.
I really feel ambivalent regarding this kind of thing. The beauty of KR is the lack of define canon after the first few months. Summing up a scenario smells like inching towards an established timeline.
Anyhow.
I really feel ambivalent regarding this kind of thing. The beauty of KR is the lack of define canon after the first few months. Summing up a scenario smells like inching towards an established timeline.
I realize, but I am more than willing to yield to you guys if you are the overly popular scenario, for big projects like this you need all the help you can get
ii) For the most part we are done with this scenario. We are currently waiting to EvW get released and the Kaiserreich team say something about it. To learn more about
I know what it is
A lot of the ideas I have in mind are around specific event chains, but I have not bothered to write them all down
I like alternate scenarios, but there is always the possibility of most of them never being completed due to a split development, I mean there is already a decent amount of disagreement within the thread., whatever, unless I see a huge amount of support for yours ill stick with mine
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And there have been discussions on porting the 1948 scenario to EvW, but we do currently not have any team members who are experienced with the Clausewitz engine.
So my recomendation would be that anyone who's interested in working on a KR Cold War scenario in EvW contact the Kaiserreich team on the Kaiserreich forum, so there will be a great interaction between the two parts.
Otherwise it might lose some quality, and miss parts of the original Kaiserreich feeling. Which would not be good for anyone.
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I completely agree! And I thought: since we now have a “Germany won the second Weltkrieg” scenario, what about a “the Syndies won the second Weltkrieg” scenario?
I already have a roughly made timeline, so if you guys are interested…
Wut?
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And there have been discussions on porting the 1948 scenario to EvW, but we do currently not have any team members who are experienced with the Clausewitz engine.
So my recomendation would be that anyone who's interested in working on a KR Cold War scenario in EvW contact the Kaiserreich team on the Kaiserreich forum, so there will be a great interaction between the two parts.
Otherwise it might lose some quality, and miss parts of the original Kaiserreich feeling. Which would not be good for anyone.
Yeah, I've read the "Viva L'Emeprour" (I hope I spelled it good) AAR but I didn't like it that much. I found parts of it a little too gamey and thus far-stretching. It's the main reason why I started to write down a new history, when I've seen Purfa's thread.
I completely agree! And I thought: since we now have a “Germany won the second Weltkrieg” scenario, what about a “the Syndies won the second Weltkrieg” scenario?
Of course! Go on! Just make it canonical with most of the Kaiserreich events to be more plausible. And a personal request, don't divide the hell out of Hungary
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Perhaps if there is a concern about setting up some sort of canonical story, the Kaiserreich 2 for EvW could have several scenarios to avoid that sort of thing. A Syndicalist victory, a Mitteleuropa victory, and an Entente victory. I don't know if the Entente can liberate Germany, but if so, it could work.
That sound interesting. Although we have to have 2 "victorious" sides as in OTL. However I wouldn't call WW2 a victory at all considering the number of souls lost and the damage caused during the war.
i) Mitteleuropa <-> Syndicalist cold war, the history we have created fits into this category.
ii) Entente <-> Syndicalist cold war, e.g. USA wins the 2nd ACW and then joins the entente, while the syndies win in Europe.
iii) Entente <-> Mitteleuropa cold war, however I wouldn't call it a cold war at all. Despite the cold relations between the 2 sides both of them are led by market economies and it makes a real life cold war with closed borders impossible. It's rather a "cold race" to be the better alliance system.
And of course we have the Mediterranean block which is possible to form during the game. I don't know which scenario would that one fit the most, perhaps the last one.
Good! I took your timeline as base and then modified most of it while some elements were left unchhanged.Of course! Go on! Just make it canonical with most of the Kaiserreich events to be more plausible. And a personal request, don't divide the hell out of Hungary
In this scenario the Cold war is between the CSA (syndacalist bloc) and Wrangel's Russian Empire (National Populist and monarchic bloc).
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the timeline:
Russia - Wrangel rose to power in 1936 and quickly remilitarized and industrialized the country and in ’37 he proclaimed himself the new Tsar of the reborn Russian Empire. In ‘37 Russia invaded Central Asia, the next year Mongolia was re-annexed in the Empire after the Trans-Siberian Crisis. During the Transamur Crisis Japan choose to give up his puppet in exchange of a full alliance with the new rising power. When WW2 started in ’39 Wrangel prepared an all-out invasion of Eastern Europe to stab Germany in the back once the Mitteleuropa alliance was weakened enough.
CSA - After winning the Second American Civil War in 1942 they run over California and started to rebuild the nation. In 1944 the CSA officially joined the Synditern and immediately invaded Canada. By 1945 summer Canada was removed from the map despite all of her efforts to revive/save Democracy. Wrangel’s Russia invaded Alaska just before Canada’s capitulation, the CSA troops and the Russian troops fought each other till the end of the war but the front remained mostly unchanged. CSA became the leader of the 'modern' Synditern with her military might and industrial power.
WW2 - By 1939 the Commune of France has assembled many states of Europe to avenge the first WW1 on Germany and of course to liberate the hell out of everyone. The 'early' Synditern consisted of France, Britain, Southern Italy, Ukraine, Union Anarquista Iberica and Scandinavia. In September 1st 1939 France demanded Elsaß-Lotharingen from Germany who didn't give into the demands. In two weeks they blitzed through most of Northern Italy. The Northern Italian forces held on the Milan-Padua line until 1943. In 1940 Flanders-Wallonien and the Netherland were conquered. Switzerland was attacked as well, with a major success taking Bern. By 1941 most of the Germans were pushed out of Elsaß-Lotharingen and even Essen was just in an arms-length. In '42 Austria, Poland, Hungary, Romania and Serbia joined the war, the frontlines are frozen. 1942-43 winter, heavy fighting in Essen and Saarbrücken (OTL Stalingrad), the French army encircled an entire German army and quickly conquered the Rhineland region, the German Army was in disarray. In late ’43 Munich, Milan and Vienna were occupied by the Syndacalist armies. Germany, clearly defeated, asked for help to the Empire of Russia: the Russians demanded all of their pre-Weltkrieg territories in Europe and the Germans were forced to accept, this pact was known as the “Konigsberg Agreement”. In Early ’44 Ukraine and Georgia were invaded by Russian forces; Finland too was attacked, even though it was a neutral country. In August 1944 the French army attacked Berlin, the city was defended by the remnants of the German army and the newly arrived Russian forces, the battle for Berlin ended in January ’45 when the American reinforcements finally arrived en masse. In Hungary the Syndacalist forces were pushed back to Austria. In Bohemia the Syndacalist forces conquered Prague in October. In ’45 the French and American Armies were definitely stopped at the Oder-Neisse line, The front in Europe was frozen again. in 1945 British, French and American Scientists developed the first nuclear bomb. In February 1945 Konigsberg, the temporary capital of the German Empire, was nuked. Three days later Stockholm was destroyed by a German nuke carried by a Russian plane, the Germans too developed nuclear devices. Fearing further nuclear escalation an armistice was declared in March ’45. In August ’45 a peace agreement was reached in London.
Union of Britain and Commune of France – both country were exhausted after the war and were soon forced to ask economic help from the Americans to avoid Bankruptcy. Those country quickly lost their leading role in the Synditern.
The Netherlands and Flanders-Wallonien - After the war the former Belgium was divided between France and Netherlands: Wallonia was annexed into France while the Flanders into the Netherland.
Scandinavia - before '42 they were the most inactive part of the Synditern but in '43 Finland was invaded by Russia, opening a direct front towards Syndacalist Scandinavia. The disorganized Scandinavian armies were initially routed by the Numerically and technologically superior Russian forces. In 1944 the British Expeditionary Forces landed in Norway and successfully stopped the Russian advance at Trondheim and Ostersund.
Poland , Belarus and Lithuania - during 1940 they tried to turn away from Germany, however they get badly beaten by the little forces left by Germany in Prussia and the Baltic Duchy. Unfortunately for Germany it opened a direct second front towards Ukraine who fast pushed the few German forces back into Vilnius by late ‘41. In ’42 Ukraine’s advances stopped when Austria, Hungary and Romania joined Germany, encircling the Syndacalist country. In ’43 Russia occupied Eastern Europe restoring the pre-Weltkrieg borders, thus ending Ukraine existence.
Germany - After ’43 the German Empire military collapsed and many oversea territories were occupied by neighboring states like Egypt, Japan, Ethiopia, etc. After the war Germany was divided in two country: The Kingdom of Prussia (East Germany) at Oder’s East and the German Union (West Germany) at Oder’s West. The Rhineland and Switzerland regions remained in the “French Occupation Zone” until 1956, when a popular plebiscite decided if those regions had to join France or Germany. In Austria was established an Independent popular Republic; many within the Syndacalist parties of Germany and Austria asked for the unification of the two countries.
4th Balkan War - Hungary, Bulgaria, Montenegro (Hungarian puppet, from 1942 part of Serbia) and Albania lost the war against Romania, Serbia and Greece in 1942. Greece got Southern Albania and Greek Macedonia up to Alexandruopolis, Romania got most of Transylvania and Southern Dobruja while Serbia got Macedonia, Montenegro and Bosnia. After the war those countries, willingly or forcibly, accepted to form an alliance with The Russian empire.
Hungary-Croatia - After the Ausgleich war the two formed a new dualist state. Croatia consisted of Bosnia Dalmatia and Croatia proper while Hungary consisted of Transylvania, Banat and Hungary main regions; the regions of Bosnia and most of Transylvania were lost during the 4th Balkan war. Since both Croatia and Hungary are multi-ethnic states, unlike Bohemia, magyarisation and croatisation were enstated. It is very likely to have ethnic uprisings. How effective such a state can be is still the matter of the future. During the war Budapest was briefly occupied by the Syndacalist forces, when the Russian liberated the country they forced the Hungarian government to concede independence to Slovakia; the Russians promoted Slovak Independence since the Slovak National Congress fled to Russia and hoped to further weaken Hungary’s dominant position in the Balkans.
Arabian War - Egypt and Arabia (the Hashemites united the whole peninsula) and the Kurd rebels gave the final stab to the sick man of Europe. After ‘43 Egypt occupied the Suez canal while Arabia invaded Yemen and Oman. Greece also got all of her isles back and forced Turkey to cede Smyrna and some territories in Thrace.
Mittelafrika and South Africa - After the war Mittelafrika became an independent and extremely nationalist state aligned with Russia. In ’39 South Africa adopted a more radical legislation on racial segregation and Apartheid; in ’40 the Nationalist government was toppled by a native-led revolution. The new government became the first syndacalist and native state of Africa. During the war a brief but vicious conflict against Mittelafrika exploded but lead to no territorial changes.
India - the war still rages between Delhi and the Syndies (should be something like OTL China). Delhi is supported by Russia and local power like Persia and Siam while the Indian Commune is supported by the Synditern, Burma and Vietnam.
Quing Empire – After ’43 the German Empire appeared to be doomed and the Qing Empire nationalized the AOG with Russian and Japanese’s consensus; then they proceed to conquer Yunnan and Xibei San Ma Cliques in ’44 and Tibet in ’45. The Qing Empire officially aligned itself with Russia and Japan in ’43.
Israel - Madagascar turned into the new home of the Jewish people, proclaiming their own free state.
Centro-America / Mexico - Mexico is an ally of the CSA, Centro-America is part of the Synditern.
Indonesia and Pacific isles – The Japanese occupied those territories shortly after the Konigsberg Agreement.
La Plata / Brazil - Chile joined La Plata seeing the growing syndi threat. Brazil and La Plata were preparing for war and in mid ’42 Brazil officially joined the Synditern leading to the war between the country. After some minor advancements the South American Front became a stalemate. In August ’45 the two nations signed a peace treaty: Brazil and Bolivia gained some territory on the frontier and in exchange Brazil had to withdraw from the Synditern.
Permanent members of the UN security council- CSA, Russia, Qing Empire, Japan, Union of Britain and the Commune of France.
The 2 alliances at the start:
The Warsaw Pact (Russian bloc): Russian Empire, Kingdom of Prussia, Japan, Qing China, Manchuria, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Albania, Greece.
Aligned States: Mittelafrika, Australasia, National France, La Plata, Delhi, Peru, Ecuador, Colombia, Siam, Turkey, Persia.
NATO (Syndacalist bloc): CSA, Commune of France, Union of Britain, Canada, Mexico, Centro-America, The Caribbean Federation, Federacion Anarquista Iberica, Italian Socialist Republic, German Union, Austria, Czechia, Netherland, Scandinavia.
Aligned states: Brazil, Bolivia, Venezuela, South Africa, Indian Commune, Burma, Indochina.
Neutral States: Slovenia, Egypt, Arabia, Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Ireland, Israel/Madagascar, Kurdistan, Libya, Hawaii.
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I think you should redo the map on the DH map because it's clearer.
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EDIT: Okay, I've coloured the map for you.
I've made a few modifications:
- Poland is now a highly autonomic inner part of Russia (puppet in game terms). The Polish army is controlled directly from Moscow. Poland also got parts from Prussia to compensate their loss in Galicia.
- Yugoslavia is now BIG. I've included all of their the disputed provinces and Albania.
- Greece is is also bigger, Russia controls Istanbul (Constantinaples).
- Indonesia and Indochina are Japanese puppets (I guess).
Here is the blank:
EDIT: Okay, I've coloured the map for you.
I've made a few modifications:
- Poland is now a highly autonomic inner part of Russia (puppet in game terms). The Polish army is controlled directly from Moscow. Poland also got parts from Prussia to compensate their loss in Galicia.
- Yugoslavia is now BIG. I've included all of their the disputed provinces and Albania.
- Greece is is also bigger, Russia controls Istanbul (Constantinaples).
- Indonesia and Indochina are Japanese puppets (I guess).
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Nice changes! I have some suggestions:
- Make Canada a semi-independent CSA puppet.
- Give Tibet to China and Sinkiang to Russia.
- To have Burma independent but puppetted by the Indian Commune.
- Make Indochina a syndacalist nation or, maybe, a Japanese puppet plauged by Syndy guerrilla.
Also: have you tried to enlarge my immages?
- Make Canada a semi-independent CSA puppet.
- Give Tibet to China and Sinkiang to Russia.
- To have Burma independent but puppetted by the Indian Commune.
- Make Indochina a syndacalist nation or, maybe, a Japanese puppet plauged by Syndy guerrilla.
Also: have you tried to enlarge my immages?
An ultra-radical and aggressive CSA which annexes Canada outright would make for a much fun game. Perhaps it might even lay claim to liberating the workers of ALL of America, not just its Northern part.
Whatever you decide about how the setting will be i think that Che Guevara and Fidel Castro would take part as important Syndicalist leaders of La Plata and Cuba respectively.
Maybe there could be a Syndie revolution in La Plata leaded by Che Guevara and supported by the CSA kinda like OTL Cuban revolution?
Maybe there could be a Syndie revolution in La Plata leaded by Che Guevara and supported by the CSA kinda like OTL Cuban revolution?
Then let's make it this way: the player will have the ability to annex Canada or to set them "free" (puppet) while the AI will choose through an event; if America annexes Canada they will have to face some resistance.
This ^
And there have been discussions on porting the 1948 scenario to EvW, but we do currently not have any team members who are experienced with the Clausewitz engine.
So my recomendation would be that anyone who's interested in working on a KR Cold War scenario in EvW contact the Kaiserreich team on the Kaiserreich forum, so there will be a great interaction between the two parts.
Otherwise it might lose some quality, and miss parts of the original Kaiserreich feeling. Which would not be good for anyone.
Looks to me like you finally got your answer.
So now you can happily trod off to the East Vs West forum?