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This in not an official announcement nor everithing else resembling officiality.

This is just a proposal for the continuation of Kaiserrich's history in the upcoming P'dox game East vs West.

In a few words, we have imagined a scenario which, following Kaiserreich's events and decisions, can be possible for such game: the world is much different from what we know. These are the main features of our idea.

- Germany clearly won the war in Europe: after defeating France, Union anarquista iberica and Ukraine, she fought an attrition war along the Channel against the UoB. There was no victor, so in 1945 Syndintern and Mittleuropa signed a peace with honour.
- CSA won the second American Civil War, wiping out Canada from the maps and becoming the major member of Syndintern
- Austria lost the civil war against Hungary and was annexed to Germany after ww2. Hungary and Bulgaria are now dividing influence in the Balkans.
- Russia is isolationist and democratic… at least up to 1946
- Windsors fled to Australasia after the fall of Canada, renaming the country to The Commonwealth.
- The Arabs won the war against Ottomans, annexing all the lands up to Syria
- Dheli is at war against the Barythia Comune, like OTL China. Due to Syndintern help, the Comune is clearly winning the war…

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We'll write down here the proposed history as it develops more clearly.


Many thanks to:

- VI Imre, who proposed the new history
 

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Where did you get that map from? I've been searching East vs West forum but i can't find a screenshots thread!
 

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I don't believe in this map,but i think it's acceptable,just divide france in Two,north for German Puppet Kingdom of France,and south to National France :D
 

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The Princely Federation, or just India. This is one of the "hot stuff" I am largely willing to reshuffle, as I'd like a non-entente India to control it, but can't see how the sclerotic government from the south can control everything. They will have problems with muslims wanting to secede and stuff like that. Any suggestion will be appreciated :)
 

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Well,I think a good idea is American Union State unify USA,controlling 49 Sates (hawaii will be independent),and,when the Commune of France is Falling,the National France seize the south of Nation,this will create a situation like East and West Germany :p
 

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Well,I think a good idea is American Union State unify USA,controlling 49 Sates (hawaii will be independent),and,when the Commune of France is Falling,the National France seize the south of Nation,this will create a situation like East and West Germany :p

PSA will be at war with AUS, and canada will intervene

Afghanistan/india/persia will form the anti USSR bloc
 

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What happened to the Sudetenland?
 

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,when the Commune of France is Falling,the National France seize the south of Nation,this will create a situation like East and West Germany :p

I don't think this is a good idea, as both Italy and Germany pushed through french lines in 1941 and the nation fell in less than a month. Instead I'm thinking of England as the theater of an East-West Germany situation, with the south (say, wales + all lands under Liverpool) as pro-german/european and the north is in Entente hands, London being an international city split in half.

About France I'd prefer a compromise between Nationalist down in Algers and the King in Paris, with the country held by François but run by the nationalist, just as the German Empire. In this case, France won't be a puppet of Germany, but just a core member of Mittleuropa/Europa. Infact I'd change Mittleuropa name to just Europa, reflecting that the alliance is now continent wide, and that there may be europeistic reforms as the one in OTL.

PSA will be at war with AUS, and canada will intervene

Afghanistan/india/persia will form the anti USSR bloc

About PSA and USA, anything (except syndacalism) can be done, but I can't think of an attack of AUS on PSA without Canada intervening.

Afghanistan, India and Persia will be nations of great relevance in the struggle between Comintern, Europa and Entente, no doubt. China, on the other side, is still split in half by AOG and Qing, with nort-western parts taken by USSR during the invasion of Mongolia and now part of the People's Republic of China. Ah, Fengtien is still held by japanese!
 
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What happened to the Sudetenland?

It remained inside Bohemia, that is now a neutral state like Switzerland. But a nationalist run Germany may ask Bohemia for its return... and this could cause trouble. (let's say Bohemia has Czech and south_german as accepted cultures, in Victoria II style, with the opinion of the german minority defended by a party in the parliament that, if will win the election, may ask for integration with Germany)
 
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Having the USSR exist is too boring and too much like today's timeline. A Pan-Slavic empire, on the other hand, while anachronistic in our timeline, would be amazingly fun and allow Russia to be independent in its functions within the game.
 

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Was looking for Kaiserreich Devs' blessing or at least a nulla osta to use their timeline as a basis :) When they'll answer this thread, I'll move everything to EvW.

Having the USSR exist is too boring and too much like today's timeline. A Pan-Slavic empire, on the other hand, while anachronistic in our timeline, would be amazingly fun and allow Russia to be independent in its functions within the game.

But doing this would cause the collapse of the three party system I've based this alternate history on, as it'd mean Germany being beaten in the east by Mother Russia :)
 

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PSA will be at war with AUS, and canada will intervene

Afghanistan/india/persia will form the anti USSR bloc

AUS control the industrial heartland of USA,if Canada enters in war will be destroyed,the King have a best option:Make good relations and try to make a non agression pact.
 

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I don't think this is a good idea, as both Italy and Germany pushed through french lines in 1941 and the nation fell in less than a month. Instead I'm thinking of England as the theater of an East-West Germany situation, with the south (say, wales + all lands under Liverpool) as pro-german/european and the north is in Entente hands, London being an international city split in half.

About France I'd prefer a compromise between Nationalist down in Algers and the King in Paris, with the country held by François but run by the nationalist, just as the German Empire. In this case, France won't be a puppet of Germany, but just a core member of Mittleuropa/Europa. Infact I'd change Mittleuropa name to just Europa, reflecting that the alliance is now continent wide, and that there may be europeistic reforms as the one in OTL.



About PSA and USA, anything (except syndacalism) can be done, but I can't think of an attack of AUS on PSA without Canada intervening.

Afghanistan, India and Persia will be nations of great relevance in the struggle between Comintern, Europa and Entente, no doubt. China, on the other side, is still split in half by AOG and Qing, with nort-western parts taken by USSR during the invasion of Mongolia and now part of the People's Republic of China. Ah, Fengtien is still held by japanese!

I never see comunne of France falling in less time of 3 years.
 

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I was just thinking about the same however I've made some adjustments keeping the best parts of your ideas and adding some of my best Kaiserreich games so far.
Firstly we need 2 strong alliances to actually have a cold war. Therefore CSA wins in America. Secondly we need a longer WW2 or else it won't be a WW at all.

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CSA - After winning the Second Civil War in 1942 they run over California and started to rebuild the nation. In 1944 when most of the fleet of the Union of Britain was annihilated by the united Canadian and German High Sees Fleets they requested the aid of CSA who agreed on the terms that they can annex Canada. By 1945 summer Canada was removed from the map despite all of her efforts to revive/save Democracy. CSA became the leader of the 'modern' Synditern with her military might and industrial power.

France - the original home of Syndicalism. By 1939 they have assembled many states of Europe to avenge the first WW1 on Germany and of course to liberate the hell out of everyone. The 'early' Synditern consisted of France, Britain, Southern Italy, Ukraine, Netherlands, Union Anarquista Iberica and Scandinavia. In September 1st 1939 France demanded Elsaß-Lotharingen from Germany who didn't give into the demands. In two weeks they blitzed through most of Northern Italy. The Northern Italian forces held on the Milan-Padua line till the end of the war. In 1940 Flanders-Wallonien was conquered and divided with the Netherlands. Switzerland was attacked as well to take Romandy, with a mayor success taking Genéve. By 1941 most of the Germans were pushed out of Elsaß-Lotharingen and the even Essen was just in an arms-length. '42 Finland, Austria, Poland, Hungary and Bulgaria joined the war, the frontlines are frozen. 1942-43 winter, heavy fighting in Essen and Saarbrücken (OTL Stalingrad), the tide has clearly turned, the Germans started to push into Groningen, Netherlands. In 1943 summer the Netherlands fell, by winter the Mitteleuropa forces reach Lille in France and Genova in Italy dividing the European Synditern. On May 23rd 1944 Paris fell, the French government moved into Bordeaux. At the end of August most of what's left of the French forces got encircled in Tours. A week later France capitulated. On October 10th 1944 Naples and on December 20th Madrid followed the French leaving England alone (don't worry I didn't forget Scandinavia and Ukraine) and effectively ending WW2.

Union of Britain - in 1945 being backed by the CSA and losing an enemy on their Western shores they settled the peace with honour with Germany. As part of the agreement Shetland has become a German naval base. On September 2nd 1945 the guns finally fell silent (without any nukes used). Although most of the nation was in utter destruction thanks to the constant German bombing (V2s since 1943) and most of their fleet was lost (no CV left), they have survived the second world war and are ready to rebuild by American help.

The Netherlands and Flanders-Wallonien - Flanders-Wallonia was lost early in the war and divided by France (Wallonia and Luxemburg) and the Netherlands (Flanders). After the war the former Belgium was re-liberated and divided the Netherlands with Germany. Also annexed French Flanders. Germany annexed Eastern Wallonia, a former part of Belgium.

Scandinavia - before '42 they were the most inactive part of the Synditern but '42 Finland (national populist) joined on the side of Germany hoping even more conquest. The disorganized Scandinavian armies were crushed by the very well trained and war experienced (Russian war) Finnish forces. In 1943 spring a small Danish-German expeditionary force returning from the Ukrainian front has taken the shores at Malmö. By early summer Stockholm fell and in September Scandinavia surrendered. Finland acquired Lappland. Sweden and Norway reborn with the return of their kings in exile from Berlin.

Russia - during the second war against the Bolsheviks they won by the help of Belarus and Finland who were rewarded with Karelia and Magilov-Polotsk. Ukraine and the Don-Kouban Republic also seized some lands on the borders. After the war Russia returned into extreme isolationism. Later on they were able to demand back some territories from Mongolia.

Poland , Belarus and Lithuania - during 1940 they tried to turn away from Germany with however they get badly beaten by the little forces left by Germany in Prussia and the Baltic Duchy. Unfortunately for Germany it opened a direct second front towards Ukraine who fast pushed the few German forces back into Vilnius. In 1942 Germany agreed the Polish demands in West Ukraine and Belarus Poland and signed the Mitteleuropa aggreement. They were also joined by the Hungarian and Bulgarian forces returning from the 4th Balkan war. April 3rd 1943 Ukraine surrendered. The Lithuanian King in exile returned to the thone of Lithuania. Poland chose Mindugas as their king, restoring the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, under the guarantee of Mittleuropa.

4th Balkan Wars - Hungary, Bulgaria, Montenegro (Hungarian puppet, form 1945 free state) and Albania won the war against Romania, Serbia and Greece in 1942. Collaborate Kings were installed. Albania got Ionia, Bulgaria got Nis, Constanta and the Danube Delta and Ukraine occupied Ismail after 1943. Romania has most of her claims on Hungary, Serbia on Macedonia and Vojvodina and Greece on Korerce and Makedonia. In 1962 (20 years later) a plebiscite should take place in all of these terratories (except for Constanta).

Hungary-Croatia - After the Ausgleich war the two formed a new dualist state. Croatia cosists of Bosnia, Dalmatia and Croatia main while Hungary conists of Transylvania, Banat and Hungary main regions. Since both Croatia and Hungary are multi-ethnic, unlike in Bohemia, magyarisation and croatisation were enstated. It is very likely to have ethnic uprisings. How effective such a state can be is still the matter of the future.

Arabian War - Egypt and Arabia (the Saudis united the whole peninsula) and the Kurd rebels gave the final stab to the sick man of Europe. After the war Egypt signed the German-Arab naval agreement for leasing the Suez canal for 50 more years. Aden was returned to Arabia. Greece also got all of her isles back.

Mittelafrika and South Africa - turned their back on Europe, extremist nationalist states. (Mittelafrika is not any more a puppet of Germany)

India - the war still rages between Delhi and the Syndies (should be something like OTL China).

New France - after the fall of Canada and the Entente they agreed to the demands of Germany and finally returned to Europe.

Quing Empire - with the Sino-German agreement (lots of resources to Germany, Chinese scientists trained in Germany) in 1942 the road became clear for the reunification of China. By late 1945 all of the warrior clans have finally bought back under one house.

Causcaus - totalist state, and the last syndicalist state in Europe however they are in extreme isolationism. Thanks to their radical views not even the Synditern befriends them. (Mostly like OTL North Korea after 1990 )

Israel - Madagascar turned into the new home of the Jewish people, proclaiming their own free state.

Centro-America / Mexico - Mexico is a puppet of the CSA, Centro-America is part of the Synditern. The earlier paternal autocratic government of Mexico was crushed by CA and the CSA.

Indonesia - currently German puppet state created after the fall of the Netherlands

La Plata / Brasil - Chile joined La Plata seeing the growing syndi threat. Brasil and La Plata were preparing for war but Brasil had a democrtic coup. Bolivia was left alone and fell fast under the pressure of La Plata. Brasil and La Plata have entered into a non-agression pact.

EDIT: didn't colour most of Pacific isles, I don't know which one should who get, there are just too many of them :p.
 
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