Promotion details?

[SavvyPlayer]

As I understand, it will be possible to play at various levels within the nobility/peerage of a given kingdom, and gain in title/rank with the accumulation of piety/prestige.

Are details regarding the rules and gameplay transition that occurs (for example) when a Count is promoted to Duke, and Duke to Monarch, yet known? In other words, if as a Count, one were to be conferred the title "Duke of York", does the player retain his lesser titles, or are those titles passed on to high-ranking AI vassals (Barons, Knights, etc.)? What if the player is conferred a royal title?

Bonus question: Looking at the screenshots, are the military units depicted controlled by all levels of nobility, or is the DOW privilege restricted only to higher nobility? (Can any noble DOW any other noble, or are there restrictions of rank that come into play?)

 

[Grosshaus]

I dunno how it works in CK, but IRL a king kept his older titles. For instance the king of France would have been a paper tiger if he hadn't personally controlled many provinces. Naturally monarchs gave at times their former family lands, or ones grabbed by force, to vassals to make friends. This should naturally be one of the main strategic questions CK revolves around: to give or to keep land?

 

[Snall]

I would think anyone could declare war, but then ur lord may leave you or some such...and maybe you could only declare on people of same or lesser rank..or power or some such...

 

[SavvyPlayer]

New question: although extremely rare in western Europe, divorce did have a role in eastern politics. How is divorce modeled in CK?

1. If the marriage between two titled spouses were annulled, would both spouses retain their titles, hurting the holdings of the dynasty?
2. Does CK model extramarital politics?

 

[SavvyPlayer]

Newer question: Are female-controlled dynasties subject to different rules than male-controlled dynasiter? Say one begins playing a particular dynasty, after a few generations, one has no male heirs, and is forced to leave everything to a daughter. Hypothetical scenario: Troubadour dynasty, 1130: only one heir(ess) survives: Eleanor (d'Aquitaine). As Eleanor must marry in order to continue the dynasty, she marries Louis, effectively joining the Capetian dynasty. Through a series of events, Eleanor and Louis part ways, and she later marries young Henri Plantagenet. Assuming one can only play one dynasty at a time:

1. Troubador (T) marries Capet (C). T is player-controlled.

i. Does the player then gain control of C immediately,
ii. Does the game end for T immediately, or
iii. Are the two dynasties played independently until T inherits C through offspring, death, etc.? If the C spouse dies first (random event), does the player then gain control of C? If the T spouse dies first, does the player have the option to take control of C or is the game simply over? Do the offspring of this marriage automatically "belong" to the paternal dynasty even if lesser in title? If not, who controls the children, when?

When T inherits C, does the name of the dynasty change to C automatically (C being the male dynasty)?


2. Troubador and Capet are divorced. Assume this only happens when there are no male offspring. T is player-controlled.

i. Assume the player was controlling both T and C (as in i. above), as C. In a situation like this, does the player have a choice to continue playing either the Troubador or Capet dynasties, or is the female line ai-controlled at that point?

ii. Assume iii. above, and this situation is handled very neatly: The player (T) is free to marry Henri (P) and continue (allowing a historically accurate gameplay decision to be made by T), the only question being the fate of any (female) offspring from the previous marriage. Do they belong to the paternal dynasty of the previous marriage? If T and P were later to divorce, and Eleanor dies, does the player have the ability to continue playing as C? Or do all of T's titles pass to the female offspring of T & C's earlier union, strengthening the holdings of C whilst ending the game for T?

 

[Havard]

Newer question: Are female-controlled dynasties subject to different rules than male-controlled dynasiter? Say one begins playing a particular dynasty, after a few generations, one has no male heirs, and is forced to leave everything to a daughter. Hypothetical scenario: Troubadour dynasty, 1130: only one heir(ess) survives: Eleanor (d'Aquitaine). As Eleanor must marry in order to continue the dynasty, she marries Louis, effectively joining the Capetian dynasty. Through a series of events, Eleanor and Louis part ways, and she later marries young Henri Plantagenet. Assuming one can only play one dynasty at a time:

1. Troubador (T) marries Capet (C). T is player-controlled.

i. Does the player then gain control of C immediately,
ii. Does the game end for T immediately, or
iii. Are the two dynasties played independently until T inherits C through offspring, death, etc.? If the C spouse dies first (random event), does the player then gain control of C? If the T spouse dies first, does the player have the option to take control of C or is the game simply over? Do the offspring of this marriage automatically "belong" to the paternal dynasty even if lesser in title? If not, who controls the children, when?

When T inherits C, does the name of the dynasty change to C automatically (C being the male dynasty)?


2. Troubador and Capet are divorced. Assume this only happens when there are no male offspring. T is player-controlled.

i. Assume the player was controlling both T and C (as in i. above), as C. In a situation like this, does the player have a choice to continue playing either the Troubador or Capet dynasties, or is the female line ai-controlled at that point?

ii. Assume iii. above, and this situation is handled very neatly: The player (T) is free to marry Henri (P) and continue (allowing a historically accurate gameplay decision to be made by T), the only question being the fate of any (female) offspring from the previous marriage. Do they belong to the paternal dynasty of the previous marriage? If T and P were later to divorce, and Eleanor dies, does the player have the ability to continue playing as C? Or do all of T's titles pass to the female offspring of T & C's earlier union, strengthening the holdings of C whilst ending the game for T?

I am not sure, but I would assume 1:iii (+name changes) and 2:ii (female offspring of T&C). Just my guesses...