Project Balance

[Jamey]

Not sure how fond everyone is of playing with Primogeniture Succession Laws, but would it be an idea to make it more restricted than it already is? I would find the idea of having to stay with Gavelkind Succession for a while fun; for some reason I never stay on it more than the first generation (generally switching to Elective if I have to (and because there's the possibility)).

Perhaps it could be tied to having a certain level of the Legalism Technology in your capital, say you could get Gavelkind at 1, Elective at 2, Seniority at 3, and Primogeniture at 4?

This would bring a whole load of problems with it of course with AI rulers having even more rebellions than before; but it's an idea.

That sounds like a really unpleasant game. Primogeniture locked out until tech level 4? Oof.

 

[Jamey]

I think I really lucked out in my new game. I started in 1066 as the Doukas. Once attrition and sieges wore down the Seljuk stack enough, I managed to defeat the main Seljuk stack in a bit of a Pyrrhic victory. Behind my victory notice was the minor fact that I had captured a prisoner. It was some guy named Alp Arslan. :blink:

Talk about a quick way to end that war. The prestige bump from that has helped stabilize things some. I still have factions out the wazoo that I think are going to devour me. At least they won't do it while the Sword of Damocles is hanging over Armenia.

 

[HabemusZlatan]

Not sure how fond everyone is of playing with Primogeniture Succession Laws, but would it be an idea to make it more restricted than it already is? I would find the idea of having to stay with Gavelkind Succession for a while fun; for some reason I never stay on it more than the first generation (generally switching to Elective if I have to (and because there's the possibility)).

Perhaps it could be tied to having a certain level of the Legalism Technology in your capital, say you could get Gavelkind at 1, Elective at 2, Seniority at 3, and Primogeniture at 4?

This would bring a whole load of problems with it of course with AI rulers having even more rebellions than before; but it's an idea.

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[unmerged(530327)]

is it WAD that the revokation of Kingdom titles rely on their own laws rather than the laws of the empire they are a vassal of? Or do i "just" have to wait 100 years for the dejure drift to do it? (or getting lucky and the ruler changes the laws for the kingdom)
It does not seem logical to me that an emperor has to take constant missbehavior from a vassal without beeing able to strip him from his title even though the laws in his empire state otherwise.

 

[Meneth]

is it WAD that the revokation of Kingdom titles rely on their own laws rather than the laws of the empire they are a vassal of? Or do i "just" have to wait 100 years for the dejure drift to do it? (or getting lucky and the ruler changes the laws for the kingdom)
It does not seem logical to me that an emperor has to take constant missbehavior from a vassal without beeing able to strip him from his title even though the laws in his empire state otherwise.

Kingdoms only depend on empire dejure laws if they're a dejure part of the empire.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Hi Meneth, I made a suggestion a little earlier in the thread about the Byzantine claimants, in case you missed it (sorry if I'm sounding a bit pushy on this, but I'm real keen on this). I think the second suggestion in particular might help partially solve the Byzantine faction problem:

@Meneth: I figured out a possible reason why there are so few claimant wars in the Byzantine Empire: there aren't that many claimants in the first place. At least for the 1066 start, that is. Browsing very, very quickly through the Greek characters' history file, I noticed most of the claims on the Byzantine Empire came only after 1066 (the earliest I found would appear in 1068). That would explain why the Byzantine Empire only has about 3 or so claimants at game start - compare this to England which has three to four times that many and will as a result inevitably go through several claimant civil wars (at least before the new version of PB). Thus, in the case of the Byzanitne Empire, I would assume (though I can't confirm, given that I don't really know anything about how factions are programmed to work) that the rather arbitrary AI will not choose to join claimant wars as often simply because there are so few claimants.

In my mod in development, I'm trying to come up with two methods to fix this, two you might want to consider.

The first would be to somehow make it possible for dukes in the Byzantine Empire to claim the throne through some sort of event (as fawr did so in his mod) or some decision or the like (so a duke with, say, 1000 prestige or something can lay claim to the throne). The intended result is for more claimant wars. While I'll probably be trying something like this in my mod, it might not suit PB since as a new addition it might cause further balance issues and unpredictable results.

The second, easier, and less intrusive solution (and the one I think would suit PB more) would be to simply have more claimants to the Byzantine Empire at game start. For instance, all or some relatives of Isaac I Komnenos, particularly Alexios Komnenos (since he's the one that actually got the throne and lived, and since I have a soft spot for him), can be given (weak?) claims to the Empire (or strong, if you want - I don't know how much of a balance issue that would cause). Other Byzantine characters who could have claims to the throne would be Romanos IV Diogenes and Nikephoros III Botaneiates (since although they weren't directly related to any Emperors or Empresses they still got the throne eventually), as well as any other characters related to Emperors already dead by 1066. In terms of balance I think this wouldn't really effect things too bad, and it would also help in historical plausibility - ideally I am assuming this would increase the number of claimant wars in the Byzantine Empire, and would also mimic the historical dynastic changes a bit better at the 1066 start (rather than having the Doukas sit on the throne forever). While the Byzantine Empire wasn't always in civil war over claims to the throne throughout its history, it's less historically plausible that there aren't any people trying to seize the throne at all save for some random claimant faction for some random female courtier from nowhere nobody ever joins in my games.

 

[Meneth]

I'll consider it.

 

[The_Blind_One]

As a dutchman booting up this game, why the heck is my country overly represented?

I like the changes to dutch culture, back in 1066 most of wallonia/flanders was still very dutch in nature.

But seriously? Those tiny provinces count as counties? maastricht? oversticht? and a bunch more small ones...

REAAAALY?!

for the sake of consistency in this game...plz get rid of these tiny unneccessary counties.

And if you ARE going to change the map, you should add jaen to granada, that'll make that ugly bloated province look alot better.

 

[Cetan]

Fatimids can declare war on the Coptic Pope in Alexandria, county claim, to retake the bishopric. Just a heads up, in case that wasn't supposed to be intended.

 

[Cetan]

As a dutchman booting up this game, why the heck is my country overly represented?

I like the changes to dutch culture, back in 1066 most of wallonia/flanders was still very dutch in nature.

But seriously? Those tiny provinces count as counties? maastricht? oversticht? and a bunch more small ones...

REAAAALY?!

for the sake of consistency in this game...plz get rid of these tiny unneccessary counties.

And if you ARE going to change the map, you should add jaen to granada, that'll make that ugly bloated province look alot better.

I think the majority of those changes from from the Lotharingia and Lowlands mod made by Darrigan that was incorporated into PB. He's from the region too if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Portal]

Hint; those large amounts of tiny counties with large amounts of holding slots BUFF YOUR COUNTRY

 

[G.Strategos]

Hint; those large amounts of tiny counties with large amounts of holding slots BUFF YOUR COUNTRY

Hey Meneth...Did you remove any of the specific cultures buildings???

 

[Meneth]

Hey Meneth...Did you remove any of the specific cultures buildings???

No, though I haven't changed it to be like 1.7s buildings with the exception of updating some of the culture limitations.

 

[Kakafika]

Reduced the chance of characters joining the Remove Protected Inheritance faction by 80%

It seems to make sense that a count/duke would want his holdings to be passed on to his relative, rather than to his liege. Is this change being made just for gameplay reasons?

 

[Meneth]

It seems to make sense that a count/duke would want his holdings to be passed on to his relative, rather than to his liege. Is this change being made just for gameplay reasons?

They'll still join at times, just not quite as often. They should care much more about more pressing issues like internal warfare and levies and such.

 

[G.Strategos]

No, though I haven't changed it to be like 1.7s buildings with the exception of updating some of the culture limitations.

Ok..I found what I was looking thanks...

 

[HabemusZlatan]

Another thing I've noticed that always happens: Matilda di Canossa never marries matrilinearly and always marries some czech bloke.
Has happened in all 3 games I've played with PB since the latest version was released, any way to somehow force her to marry at least matrilinearly?

 

[Jamey]

Another thing I've noticed that always happens: Matilda di Canossa never marries matrilinearly and always marries some czech bloke.
Has happened in all 3 games I've played with PB since the latest version was released, any way to somehow force her to marry at least matrilinearly?

I see that as an opportunity, not a problem.

 

[Tsar Monarchist]

I think Matilda should be betrothed with Godfrey the Hunchback, as it's historical...

 

[HabemusZlatan]

I see that as an opportunity, not a problem.

Meh, fair enough.

EDIT: Apparenlty I've understood why sometimes stuff does flip with no reason at all from a kingdom to another: In my Spartenos Sicily game I've just inherited Achaia. Which is nice, right? No it isn't, some dude just pressed one of my courtier's claim on Achaia and won. Now, my courtier, instead of leaving me (which, according to me not having him anymore as a Diplomat nor educating my daughter, he did), basically became a Doux of Achaia into Sicily instead of the Byzantine Empire. He wasn't even married at the time, he just happened to flee into my court after his father lost his land.
While this could be advantageous for me (I have a whole breed of Dalassenos and Bryennios in court, all of them with strong claims) it explains some weird inheritances, like Hungary becoming part of the HRE after some bloke presses a claim (and wins!)on his friendly neighbouring claimant. Which, instead of becoming and independent King of Hungary, becomes part of the country he's in at the moment. Is it WAD?