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Managed to get PB working again; just deleted and reinstalled everything, tested piece by piece, and it's worked. Huzzah!

Meneth, I just saw on the Sons of Abraham dev diary they're adding a new Appointment succession law. Provided it's as straightforward as it sounds, is it likely you'll be making this the default Byzantine succession law?
For dukes, I assume? I don't see why not.
Since you wont be updating until the 2.0 patch I'm going to hold off on playing PB+SWMH again. The Old gods start is a mess. East Africa is all independents and the Pechenegs get lands in Bulgaria when the Magyars take Hungary. The Volga Bulgar lands are also Sunni though that may be a SWMH issue, I didn't check. There are no culture characters in West Africa not to mention the SWMH cultural building names haven't been carried over.
The SWMH start is the SWMH's team responsibility unless issues are caused specifically by PB being added to the mix.
 

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For dukes, I assume? I don't see why not.

While I am not 100% against this, I would be hesitant to support this, even if it's more historical. If this law works as I think it would, that would make it impossible for a player to play a minor vassal of the Byzantine Empire and work their way up, a sort of game that quite a number people enjoy. Perhaps only do it for a few select provinces, or something of that sort, so that people still have the chance to play Byzantine vassals if they want.
 

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While I am not 100% against this, I would be hesitant to support this, even if it's more historical. If this law works as I think it would, that would make it impossible for a player to play a minor vassal of the Byzantine Empire and work their way up, a sort of game that quite a number people enjoy. Perhaps only do it for a few select provinces, or something of that sort, so that people still have the chance to play Byzantine vassals if they want.

This could be an issue yeah.
 

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The SWMH start is the SWMH's team responsibility unless issues are caused specifically by PB being added to the mix.
East Africa is fine in SWMH without PB. Checking the title history in the PB+SWMH folder for Abyssinia there is nothing prior to 900 so I assume its the same for the rest. Though the West Africa No culture thing isn't so that's on them.
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The Magyar shuffle is a different issue. The red circle is a province that was a count under a duke controlling a Hungarian Duchy. So I assume the Magyars got it along with the Kingdom. The other two I'm not so sure about.
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For dukes, I assume? I don't see why not.

While I am not 100% against this, I would be hesitant to support this, even if it's more historical. If this law works as I think it would, that would make it impossible for a player to play a minor vassal of the Byzantine Empire and work their way up, a sort of game that quite a number people enjoy. Perhaps only do it for a few select provinces, or something of that sort, so that people still have the chance to play Byzantine vassals if they want.

I think the mechanics might have gone over my head; I was referring primarily to the Byzantine Emperor title, but I suppose the ideal would be Empire-wide.

Taking Cybr's considerations into mind, I would hope/think that the law would come with some sort of mechanic for influencing the incumbent title holder....which is after all how the whole thing worked historically. Failing that, I don't feel it's majorly immersion breaking if the law is restricted solely to the Emperor title.
 
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I'm playing a long Byzantine game to import into EU4. I'm working on the Pentarchy, so I conquered Rome with the Imperial Reconquest. Imagine my surprise when I vassalized the Pope by accident. :)

I'm really not sure how to deal with that. If I banish him, I probably get the title, which I really don't want. If I grant him independence, I've defeated the purpose of taking Rome. I suppose I could get him a church elsewhere, take Rome (and all of its baronies), and then grant independence. Hmm...
 

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I think the mechanics might have gone over my head; I was referring primarily to the Byzantine Emperor title, but I suppose the ideal would be Empire-wide.

Taking Cybr's considerations into mind, I would hope/think that the law would come with some sort of mechanic for influencing the incumbent title holder....which is after all how the whole thing worked historically. Failing that, I don't feel it's majorly immersion breaking if the law is restricted solely to the Emperor title.

I don't think it would work on the ERE - the way I understand it is an appointment, i.e. a liege giving it to a vassal - if I remember in the dev diary the devs described it as the grandmaster giving a title to a commander. The Emperor has no liege who can appoint his title, so...
 

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I don't think it would work on the ERE - the way I understand it is an appointment, i.e. a liege giving it to a vassal - if I remember in the dev diary the devs described it as the grandmaster giving a title to a commander. The Emperor has no liege who can appoint his title, so...
I think everyone is thinking that the duchies could have Appointment, so the Emperor gets to choose his vassals. I think that gets OP for a human unless there are major restrictions on it.
 

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I think everyone is thinking that the duchies could have Appointment, so the Emperor gets to choose his vassals. I think that gets OP for a human unless there are major restrictions on it.

Gnostiko was talking about having it as the succession law for the Emperor title, as I myself failed to notice when I first replied.
 

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How would it make sense as the imperial succession law?
 

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I don't think it would work on the ERE - the way I understand it is an appointment, i.e. a liege giving it to a vassal - if I remember in the dev diary the devs described it as the grandmaster giving a title to a commander. The Emperor has no liege who can appoint his title, so...

Ah, well if it works that way, I guess it would still be ok for nominating dukes. Really, really hoping it simply means the incumbent title holder gets to choose his heir so we could have a more accurate Imperial succession.

How would it make sense as the imperial succession law?

Because historically that's how Imperial succession worked; the Emperor simply chose his successor.

Not sure if it's a PB or VIET issue, but I'm having some localization issues:

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See: Duchy of Udmurtia. Also, what the hell is a second Serbia doing up there? XD

Text errors for Find Hobby and Live To Old Age ambitions; the text is all "desc_live_old_age.1" etc
 

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Not sure if it's a PB or VIET issue, but I'm having some localization issues:

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See: Duchy of Udmurtia. Also, what the hell is a second Serbia doing up there? XD

Text errors for Find Hobby and Live To Old Age ambitions; the text is all "desc_live_old_age.1" etc

Looks like a VIET thing, make sure you've installed VIET Assets properly. ;)

If you did just try reinstalling it.
 

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Hokay; that's fixed the Udmurtia and ambition localization text. Is there still supposed to be a "second" Serbia in the Steppe?

Not sure why it's there, as I certainly don't recall seeing it like that, but I'll check to see whether I get that in my local version of PB+VIET.
 

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Hi Meneth.

I had a great time playing your mod a few weeks ago. I can attest the 1066 starting date has been very carefully balanced. All very nice mate. What about the 867 bookmark, which happens to be my favorite one? Is it also that good, should I give it a shot?

Keep up the good work until all the expansions have been released.
 

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Hi Meneth.

I had a great time playing your mod a few weeks ago. I can attest the 1066 starting date has been very carefully balanced. All very nice mate. What about the 867 bookmark, which happens to be my favorite one? Is it also that good, should I give it a shot?

Keep up the good work until all the expansions have been released.

From what Meneth have said already, the 867 bookmark isn't as balanced as 1066...
 

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@ Ixor779: regarding the no culture issue, I encountered that too. It's because PB and SWMH use a few different cultural labels, like Jolof versus Wolof etc. This is something, which IMHO should be addressed in PB + SWMH.
 

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@ Ixor779: regarding the no culture issue, I encountered that too. It's because PB and SWMH use a few different cultural labels, like Jolof versus Wolof etc. This is something, which IMHO should be addressed in PB + SWMH.

There's also Mande vs. Manden in non-SWMH PB (might be in PB+SWMH too, not sure) - Mande is from vanilla, while Manden is PB. Leads to some no culture West African pagans. Quickest change for that would simply to change Manden to Mande in PB to avoid future conflicts with vanilla.