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Greetings,

I believe I have found a problem with the Imperial Reconquest system. I was surprised when I controlled all of Sicily, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Byzantium, Coloneia, Mesopotamia, Edessa, but could not start a war to reconquer Cairo or Tunisia (which I should be able to, according to your map on the first post.)

After checking your codes, the problem seems to be this: as I started with the "Manuel Komnenos" bookmark, much of Tripolitania, Tunisia and Egypt has drifted out of their original kingdoms (North Africa into Mauretania and Egypt into some titular sultanate) after a century. The codes for Imperial Reconquest targets de jure territories of specific kingdoms, however, so any territory that drifted out of them would become unavailable for reconquest.

Is this working as intended? The reconquests are based on the claims of ancient Rome, so it seems proper that they should hold no matter the current de jure kingdom covering those lands.

PS: And Genoa drifted out of Italy and into Genoa - I spend half an hour wondering whether that tier of Imperial Reconquest on your map actually covers Genoa or not when I realized I could attack Venice, Lombardy or Susa, but not Genoa.
 

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Maybe I will do it - it's not really relevant to the game at this point, but I looked through the thread and did not find any previous mentions of this, so I thought I should make a post about it.
 

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Not sure if this is a bug or just weird luck on my part, but:

I was playing PB+SWMH recently (as France), and noticed that England and the ERE both had a succession of rulers who for some reason never got married. In England's case, this started after Eadgar of Wessex had a successful rebellion against the House de Normandie. In the case of the ERE, some Catholic Venetians somehow became Emperor; after the first Venetian Emperor, who had a wife and two daughters, the following three did not marry (though one is still alive and could, in theory, marry at some point).

Both realms have also had lowborn characters become king/emperor, though it looks like only one of each. In the case of England, this appears to have been the result of a Cathar uprising; I can't tell why the ERE is now ruled by a lowborn Emperor, but it looks like he won it from the previous holder in a war of some variety.
As the marriage AI is essentially hardcoded, it is likely a vanilla issue.
Greetings,

I believe I have found a problem with the Imperial Reconquest system. I was surprised when I controlled all of Sicily, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Byzantium, Coloneia, Mesopotamia, Edessa, but could not start a war to reconquer Cairo or Tunisia (which I should be able to, according to your map on the first post.)

After checking your codes, the problem seems to be this: as I started with the "Manuel Komnenos" bookmark, much of Tripolitania, Tunisia and Egypt has drifted out of their original kingdoms (North Africa into Mauretania and Egypt into some titular sultanate) after a century. The codes for Imperial Reconquest targets de jure territories of specific kingdoms, however, so any territory that drifted out of them would become unavailable for reconquest.

Is this working as intended? The reconquests are based on the claims of ancient Rome, so it seems proper that they should hold no matter the current de jure kingdom covering those lands.

PS: And Genoa drifted out of Italy and into Genoa - I spend half an hour wondering whether that tier of Imperial Reconquest on your map actually covers Genoa or not when I realized I could attack Venice, Lombardy or Susa, but not Genoa.
The thing is that dejure drift is near impossible to account for. However, as long as it drifts into a kingdom that is within one of the reconquest tiers (which is likely most of the time), then it should still be available; just at an earlier or later date.
Doing it by duchy however is not a solution, as the completely_controls check if particularly intensive, and thus should be kept to a minimum where possible.
 

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As the marriage AI is essentially hardcoded, it is likely a vanilla issue.

The thing is that dejure drift is near impossible to account for. However, as long as it drifts into a kingdom that is within one of the reconquest tiers (which is likely most of the time), then it should still be available; just at an earlier or later date.
Doing it by duchy however is not a solution, as the completely_controls check if particularly intensive, and thus should be kept to a minimum where possible.
It depends on location, really. Croatia and Sicily are unlikely to drift into anything, but North Africa tend to turn into a mess. I turn de jure drift off if I know I'm going to play a Roman game.

e: Is it possible to have crusades for different titles end in different ways? I think the current model works very well for Jerusalem, but an Irishman winning a crusade for Al-Andalus and turning Andalusia Irish is extremely silly. Would it be possible to give the lands to Leon or Castille as if they held the title?
 
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Bulgaria also had the cabbage vendor who (briefly) became Tsar.
He was a pig herder, and he was nicknamed 'cabbage'. He was one of the greatest baddasses in history. All hail the Mongol-slaying Cabbage Emperor!



But I wanted to ask if something is wrong with the formation of Hungary events. With this mod I had all territories, even the Russian ones such as Galich, controlled by the Magyars convert to Pecheneg after the Magyars left...:confused:
In the vanilla game, most provinces convert to Russian. I do not know how historical that is, but I do think that non-Magyar cultures should not convert to Pecheneg. Especially not in places like Galich.
 

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He was a pig herder, and he was nicknamed 'cabbage'. He was one of the greatest baddasses in history. All hail the Mongol-slaying Cabbage Emperor!



But I wanted to ask if something is wrong with the formation of Hungary events. With this mod I had all territories, even the Russian ones such as Galich, controlled by the Magyars convert to Pecheneg after the Magyars left...:confused:
In the vanilla game, most provinces convert to Russian. I do not know how historical that is, but I do think that non-Magyar cultures should not convert to Pecheneg. Especially not in places like Galich.

I think the idea is that the Pecheneg nomads basically chased the Magyars into the Carpathian Basin, like the Cumans chased them into Wallachia.
 

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I think the idea is that the Pecheneg nomads basically chased the Magyars into the Carpathian Basin, like the Cumans chased them into Wallachia.
Yep; Pecheneg pressure was the reason the Magyars moved.
 
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noticed a bug. I (Scotland) am allied with England and for some reason England and denmark are fighting and one 5000 men army from England is going back and forth alls the time. It even didnt help another english army when that army fought in a nearby province.
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Patch 1.3. The newest version of pb (not beta) pb+svwmh (the map), arko and viet


PS: and now two english are just sitting in two provinces doing nothing while Denmark conquers England .

PPS: and now Denmark has conquered England from William the conquerer
 
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As a Muslim, I launched an invasion into catholic jerusalem. I didn't get any occupied territory though, I just vassalized everything. Running PB+SWMH. The tooltip mentioned taking occupied territory so I'm wondering how this happened.
 

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Did the Ilkhanate and Golden Horde fight much historically? They've been absolutely slugging it out in my most recent game.

In-fighting between the various post-Genghis Mongol states and various branches of Genghis' dynasty was pretty commonplace. I don't know of any specific examples between the Ilkhanate and the Golden Horde other than one time when Hulegu was still in power, but it's not inconceivable.
 

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I don't know if this is a bug or not, but I've noticed AI rulers tend to re-marry A LOT. Was divorce really that common among rulers? I don't know, just seems strange. Especially when I'm a king, and marry my daughter off to another king only to have him throw her aside after a couple of months in favour of some lowborn peasant.
 

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In-fighting between the various post-Genghis Mongol states and various branches of Genghis' dynasty was pretty commonplace. I don't know of any specific examples between the Ilkhanate and the Golden Horde other than one time when Hulegu was still in power, but it's not inconceivable.
I know by EU3-era they were often fighting, but I find that when the Golden Horde shows up, they tend to take Khazaria then fight over Khiva with the Ilkhanate, and one of them gets absolutely destroyed and loses all their horse archers.
 

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As a Muslim, I launched an invasion into catholic jerusalem. I didn't get any occupied territory though, I just vassalized everything. Running PB+SWMH. The tooltip mentioned taking occupied territory so I'm wondering how this happened.

I think the tooltip isn't updated and it's WAI.