Project Balance

[NejinOniwa]

I'm playing this with Icelandic Republic mod, and it works really well in that measure.

What DOESN'T work well (or maybe it's just my rotten piece of shit luck) is that HOLY ROMAN BLOBBING LIKE A FUCKING CRAZY PERSON. Either that, or someone managed to grab EVERY marriage deal and got them under the Empire, because shit - the ONLY pieces of western europe that's NOT HRE atm is me (Iceland/Ireland) and my opm neighbors on tutorial island, Scotland (though it's been hacked at a bit) Jerusalem-Previously-England in Normandy, and Sweden-Denmark. England is HRE! France/Acquitaine is HRE! and most of Aragon/Navarra is HRE! Norway is HRE! Of course they haven't lost a single shred of land to anyone, and I haven't seen them lost a SINGLE faction war ever! SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE, DAWG.

Oh, well, the waiting for CK2+ resumes I guess.

 

[cybrxkhan]

I'm playing this with Icelandic Republic mod, and it works really well in that measure.

What DOESN'T work well (or maybe it's just my rotten piece of shit luck) is that HOLY ROMAN BLOBBING LIKE A FUCKING CRAZY PERSON. Either that, or someone managed to grab EVERY marriage deal and got them under the Empire, because shit - the ONLY pieces of western europe that's NOT HRE atm is me (Iceland/Ireland) and my opm neighbors on tutorial island, Scotland (though it's been hacked at a bit) Jerusalem-Previously-England in Normandy, and Sweden-Denmark. England is HRE! France/Acquitaine is HRE! and most of Aragon/Navarra is HRE! Norway is HRE! Of course they haven't lost a single shred of land to anyone, and I haven't seen them lost a SINGLE faction war ever! SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE, DAWG.

Oh, well, the waiting for CK2+ resumes I guess.

Probably just really tough luck. I've never seen the HRE expand that crazy in a PB game, and that is pretty rare in a vanilla game, and I'm pretty sure other experienced PB users can attest to this as well.

 

[Meneth]

Why? :blink:

That's what they historically called themselves. "Byzantine Empire" on the other hand has no historical basis.

I just want to say that I think having Iceland as a republic is a really good idea. I also think that Lübeck or some other German city should be one even before the Hansa, so that Gotland has something to compete with.

I'm not sure what I could add in the Hansa's place that would make historical sense. If anyone has any ideas, that'd be great.

I'm playing this with Icelandic Republic mod, and it works really well in that measure.

What DOESN'T work well (or maybe it's just my rotten piece of shit luck) is that HOLY ROMAN BLOBBING LIKE A FUCKING CRAZY PERSON. Either that, or someone managed to grab EVERY marriage deal and got them under the Empire, because shit - the ONLY pieces of western europe that's NOT HRE atm is me (Iceland/Ireland) and my opm neighbors on tutorial island, Scotland (though it's been hacked at a bit) Jerusalem-Previously-England in Normandy, and Sweden-Denmark. England is HRE! France/Acquitaine is HRE! and most of Aragon/Navarra is HRE! Norway is HRE! Of course they haven't lost a single shred of land to anyone, and I haven't seen them lost a SINGLE faction war ever! SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE, DAWG.

Oh, well, the waiting for CK2+ resumes I guess.

That essentially happens once in a blue moon. Can't say I remember it ever happening in any of my dozens upon dozens of test games.

 

[cybrxkhan]

I'm not sure what I could add in the Hansa's place that would make historical sense. If anyone has any ideas, that'd be great.

Curbing Gotland's ability to dominate northern Europe would be a good idea, so besides the aforementioned Iceland, another possibility might be Novgorod - you'll have to shift around some things, but neondt has found a way to add in a Novgorod Republic without needing to add any new sea provinces or something like that. The only issue is that the Novgorod Republic proper only comes about in the mid-1100s, so... yeah, that would be a tad late. Another possible "republic" to add in the region would be one of the major cities of Flanders or some sort of Flanders-area Republic, such as Bruges. Other powerful German trading cities in the region were Hamburg and Bremen, though I don't remember if they're coastal on the map

 

[NejinOniwa]

Both hamburg and bremen are coastal cities afaik, so they would work.

And yeah, a few years later the whole big clusterfuck empire collapsed like a pile of cards and europe started making sense again. Dear heavens, I was worried for a time ^^;

 

[yezhanquan]

Both hamburg and bremen are coastal cities afaik, so they would work.

And yeah, a few years later the whole big clusterfuck empire collapsed like a pile of cards and europe started making sense again. Dear heavens, I was worried for a time ^^;

Although I would think that once you set the right set of crown laws, the HRE WILL be very stable. IMO, it's harder to get a stable realm with PB, but once you get there, it remains very stable.

 

[NejinOniwa]

Yes, but the AI isn't gamey enough to ever get to that point. Luckily for us...

 

[Meneth]

Although I would think that once you set the right set of crown laws, the HRE WILL be very stable. IMO, it's harder to get a stable realm with PB, but once you get there, it remains very stable.

Easier said than done to do anything about, but there will likely be further changes in that regard.
If you've got any suggestions for how to realistically destabilize the HRE and Byzantium I'd be happy to hear them.

Both hamburg and bremen are coastal cities afaik, so they would work.

Curbing Gotland's ability to dominate northern Europe would be a good idea, so besides the aforementioned Iceland, another possibility might be Novgorod - you'll have to shift around some things, but neondt has found a way to add in a Novgorod Republic without needing to add any new sea provinces or something like that. The only issue is that the Novgorod Republic proper only comes about in the mid-1100s, so... yeah, that would be a tad late. Another possible "republic" to add in the region would be one of the major cities of Flanders or some sort of Flanders-area Republic, such as Bruges. Other powerful German trading cities in the region were Hamburg and Bremen, though I don't remember if they're coastal on the map

Hmm. It'd be entirely possible to have several minor merchant republics in the Baltic and northern Europe. Gotland, Hamburg, Bremen, Flanders, and Iceland, then none of them should become all that strong, instead spending most of their time hampering one another. Then I could probably have an event around 1350 uniting the houses of Hamburg, Bremen, Flanders, and Gotland into the Hansa?

 

[Vox Imperatoris]

That sounds really good. Was Flanders part of the Hansa, though? (I don't know.)

Also, there should of course be an option to accept or decline assimilation into the Hansa (so that the player doesn't get an automatic game-over), with a small chance for the AI to refuse.

More minor republics sounds a lot more fun and dynamic that the current situation, in my opinion. Some Muslim republics would also be interesting, although I honestly have no clue which ones, if any, at this time period would be historical.

 

[Meneth]

Hmm, seems it only barely didn't reach flanders:

 

[NejinOniwa]

Sounds very much like a plan to me. The fact that I, as the Serene Republic of Iceland and Ireland and absolutely nothing else, was able to fight off 2 embargo wars at the same time - one spearheaded by Venice from the HRE, and one by Hungary-in-Mauretania spearheaded by Gotland - is a bit...eeeeeh. Really?

I have a 13k stack of Huscarls as a retinue hanging around in Dublin (yes, Dublin is the capital of Iceland, get over it) and I have such a stupidly high income that I have to constantly pause and look for things to do with it. The micro on all these tradestations (All of Norway, Holland, N/W France, N/W Iberia, all Britain) is TEDIOUS.

 

[G.Strategos]

Great idea about Hansa...
On another note I found these issues:

1)the panel's description for the wedding suggestion is weird I think...something wrong with the name maybe???
http://i.imgur.com/BAVKJ.jpg

2)Why the descr. says +4,8 with red letters and when I built the post changes nothing???
http://i.imgur.com/LviDA.jpg

3)also this when I also built the post and the info says -5,2 but again changes nothing...
http://i.imgur.com/xQRVd.jpg

 

[jordarkelf]

Great idea about Hansa...
On another note I found this issue: http://i.imgur.com/BAVKJ.jpg
the panel's description for the wedding suggestion is weird I think...something wrong with the name maybe???

Yeah, is known.

 

[Meneth]

Great idea about Hansa...
On another note I found these issues:

1)the panel's description for the wedding suggestion is weird I think...something wrong with the name maybe???
http://i.imgur.com/BAVKJ.jpg

2)Why the descr. says +4,8 with red letters and when I built the post changes nothing???
http://i.imgur.com/LviDA.jpg

3)also this when I also built the post and the info says -5,2 but again changes nothing...
http://i.imgur.com/xQRVd.jpg

1) Vanilla issue.
2) It modifies the cost of construction
3) See 2

If anyone wants to fix the issue in 1) in their version, find the file v1.09.csv in vanilla's localisation folder. On line 237 and 238, change Recipient.GetFirstName to RecipientExtra.GetFirstName. That should make it refer to the correct character.

 

[Meneth]

On another note:
I'm not sure if the North/South German split is needed any more. Any thoughts?
Removing the split would simplify my modding efforts in some areas quite a bit, and remove some risk of conflicts caused by vanilla patches.

 

[Vox Imperatoris]

On another note:
I'm not sure if the North/South German split is needed any more. Any thoughts?
Removing the split would simplify my modding efforts in some areas quite a bit, and remove some risk of conflicts caused by vanilla patches.

What was the original reason for it, again?

 

[Meneth]

What was the original reason for it, again?

Destabilizing the HRE a bit. That was long before I implemented the new crown law system and all that.

 

[G.Strategos]

On another note:
I'm not sure if the North/South German split is needed any more. Any thoughts?
Removing the split would simplify my modding efforts in some areas quite a bit, and remove some risk of conflicts caused by vanilla patches.

If it's not so much useful any more and it's removal simplify your work just do it...

 

[cybrxkhan]

The northern cities should be in the Hansa a little earlier than 1350, I think, but whatever works, really, since from what I've heard the Hansa get curbstomped by Gotland the moment they appear. Of course this will need quite a lot of testing anyways.

On another note:
I'm not sure if the North/South German split is needed any more. Any thoughts?
Removing the split would simplify my modding efforts in some areas quite a bit, and remove some risk of conflicts caused by vanilla patches.

That reminds me, you forgot to add in new dynasties for the North and South Germans, resulting in a small chance of new German dynasties getting the dynasty name "Smith".

So yeah, it wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

[MagicCuboid]

I'm wondering what Project Balance's response to the change in marriage prestige is in 1.09? I notice as a Duke that I lose some prestige when I marry just about anyone, even if I'm marrying my heir to another heir. Is it working as intended?