I made this before but there are a few things more I would like to hear about. Like the British commonwealth(I don't know if they only received tanks from america and Britain or did they make them from their own factories) and how other counties will ask for help like Italy wanting them German airplane engines so their planes could get off the ground without adding an ugly third one.
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Check out the DDs. You can send equipment via lend lease, but you cannot give someone a production license in HOI4.
i know you can send tanks guns and planes that you make but what I would like to see if you could let your allies with bad tanks or planes build them on their own instead of you losing out on supplying your own troops if things are bad enough or you feel like the ai would waste them
I'm curious to know if this occurred in reality? Did any country during WW2 produce another countries' design in their own factories?
i thought they did but as I said in the beginning i dont know for sure but it would be a nice feature for minors that want better things from the majors in their faction
i think that i heard romania did it with certain thing but im haveing trouble finding it
i think that i heard romania did it with certain thing but im haveing trouble finding it
The Australians did both. The Sentinel Cruiser Tank was the only example of a tank built by a commonwealth nation that wasn't licensed from or bought from either the U.S. or U.K.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinel_tank
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It is not like HOI3 where there was a big difference in how many techs a nation could research. In HOI4 majors can research 4-5-6 at a time. I suspect minors a bit lesser, but they would stille be able to get their own models.
What is then the point in production licenses?
What is then the point in production licenses?
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At the very least Australia produced the following British designed weapons:
25 pdr field guns
2, 6 & 17 pdr AT guns
3.7" & 40mm AA guns
carriers
Bren LMG's & Vickers MMG's
2 & 3" mortars
SMLE rifles & Sten SMG's
Beaufort bombers
Australian designed and produced weapons were:
Owen SMG's
Sentinel tanks (based on a number of US M3 medium & British cruiser tank components/concepts)
Boomerang fighters (based on US NA-16 trainer)
Wirraway light bombers (based on US NA-16 trainer)
Australia, which was relatively self sufficient in the production of military equipment for a minor power, mostly produced designs passed on from Britain and its own designs were mostly based on equipment purchased from overseas. The lack of production licences/ability to trade techs is a serious deficiency in HOI3. Paradox has chosen to give minors research abilities far in excess of their actual capabilities in order to compensate for the deficiency. This is a work around, but far from ideal. Its problematic in that minor powers will be able to research in completely different directions to their major power allies, while they historically lacked that ability.
25 pdr field guns
2, 6 & 17 pdr AT guns
3.7" & 40mm AA guns
carriers
Bren LMG's & Vickers MMG's
2 & 3" mortars
SMLE rifles & Sten SMG's
Beaufort bombers
Australian designed and produced weapons were:
Owen SMG's
Sentinel tanks (based on a number of US M3 medium & British cruiser tank components/concepts)
Boomerang fighters (based on US NA-16 trainer)
Wirraway light bombers (based on US NA-16 trainer)
Australia, which was relatively self sufficient in the production of military equipment for a minor power, mostly produced designs passed on from Britain and its own designs were mostly based on equipment purchased from overseas. The lack of production licences/ability to trade techs is a serious deficiency in HOI3. Paradox has chosen to give minors research abilities far in excess of their actual capabilities in order to compensate for the deficiency. This is a work around, but far from ideal. Its problematic in that minor powers will be able to research in completely different directions to their major power allies, while they historically lacked that ability.
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They sure did some examples are;
Merlin engine produced in america for their P51's
Mosquito bombers produced in canada
Lee enfeild rifles produced in Australia
Bren gun carriers produced in New Zealand
Sten guns manufactured by resistance fighters
American designed trucks produced in canada
You could fill pages with the list
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Also I think the Canadians made Shermans (after they decided not to use Rams for combat purposes) albeit with slightly thicker armour and possibly diesel engines (though I'm not 100% on that second part).
Britain also made the BESA and Bren guns, the first a direct copy of a Czech gun (it even still used 7.92 rimless rather then British army standard .303 rimmed), the second basically just a conversion of the parent gun into .303 rimmed and some changes to finish more then anything.
It would be nice if like buying resources you could buy licences to produce stuff and/or military equipment using civilian factories but it doesn't seem to be in the game. I'm hoping it will come later as you would be surprised how much of this went on particularly before the war (the Romanians had French tanks and Polish aircraft, the Iranians bought several hundred Czech tankettes, the Swedes, Czechs and Hungarians had this odd incestuous tank development thing going on).
Britain also made the BESA and Bren guns, the first a direct copy of a Czech gun (it even still used 7.92 rimless rather then British army standard .303 rimmed), the second basically just a conversion of the parent gun into .303 rimmed and some changes to finish more then anything.
It would be nice if like buying resources you could buy licences to produce stuff and/or military equipment using civilian factories but it doesn't seem to be in the game. I'm hoping it will come later as you would be surprised how much of this went on particularly before the war (the Romanians had French tanks and Polish aircraft, the Iranians bought several hundred Czech tankettes, the Swedes, Czechs and Hungarians had this odd incestuous tank development thing going on).
it was a common thing for many countries...
Also with a different industrial brand name, for entire equipments, and also for parts of equipments.
Engines of vehicles, for example.
Hungary produced the BF109-G for example.
Not to mention the stuff built under license, like the 38M Toldi(Swedish L60), the MAVAG Héja(Italian RE.2000), etc.
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The 40mm BOFORS AA gun, which was produced by a number of different countries, was a licensed Swedish design. The US used a slightly modified licensed UK design for their 57mm AT gun. There's a LONG list of license-built equipment. Not having it in the game is extremely unrealistic.
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If you are going for real life mechanic, then yes. Having production licenses in the game creates an exploit (dividing tech researching between nations). It is fine as it is in the game.
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Making it cost political points to license could balance the research costs. You save on A, but it costs more of B.
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I agree fully that its absence is very odd. Production licences were a major element of design and production during the war. I wonder, though, if it's a balancing issue that couldn't be rectified because of how variants work. Variants now actually matter, quite a bit, but in order to unlock them you have to build up combat experience. If you could give a production licence you could have a situation where someone could receive all the gains of combat from the war in terms of designing new model types without actually having to do any fighting.
My random guess anyway.
My random guess anyway.
Production Licences are frankly not needed in HoI IV. In HoI III the minors had a major disadvantage to the majors and basicly no way to really be able to do remotely as much research let alone production as a major. In HoI IV majors buying your resources will result in you being able to build up your industry much faster and also you have research slots, of which minors may get one or two less than majors, but you wont lack behind that massively. Minors are no longer something majors can simply kick around. Alone you might not be able to withstand germany as romania for example, but if you form a faction with the balkans you may become a force to be reckoned with. They simply arent really needed in HoI IV, since you can quiet easiely research the stuff yourself.
On top of that production licenses are nothing more than a major source for exploits, where each nation simply focuses on one single thing. All they'd do is b-lining one aspect, like fighters and even research them ahead of time and give a license to the other players in the faction. That basicly destroys the whole gameplay. It would be extremely weird to see germany building some Yamatos in kiel for example.
On top of that production licenses are nothing more than a major source for exploits, where each nation simply focuses on one single thing. All they'd do is b-lining one aspect, like fighters and even research them ahead of time and give a license to the other players in the faction. That basicly destroys the whole gameplay. It would be extremely weird to see germany building some Yamatos in kiel for example.
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