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Originally posted by Petrus
I believe a problem emerged early on wherein players were extorting money from computer nations (thru wars) and causing mass bankruptcies.

That's my understanding, at least.

I'm okay with the AI offering/paying only what it has in its treasury, I just wish the player could do the same.
 

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I think von Wittenburg means that the player must take out a loan to pay a 200d demand for peace. The AI has no such restrictions.

It is one of the few advantages given to the AI. However, your brain dwarfs all of the AI's advantages in the long run.
 

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No, I think it is an advantage.

Computer looses a war. It's costs the computer 13d.

OR

You loose a war. It costs you 13d AND you have to pay off the loan in five years+interest.

Advantage goes to the computer. Disagree?
 

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If you never offer money, you never have to take a loan.

Sometimes the AI gets stubborn and will not give up any territory until you take its capital. But usually you can get six stars and easily get two territories and some money. Take the capital and two territories and you have six stars, although I've seen some wars where the AI starts out with a two or three star advantage. Occasionally the opposite is true, and the human player starts with an advantage. In my latest game as England, France attacked me and captured one of my provinces and still did not have any stars. The AI then accepted a white peace. Seems like the system gets skewed when a lot of provinces are under siege. Or maybe I don't count so well.;)
 

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Originally posted by PatMaster
No :D
I never give my allies anything :D
Why should I?

I will give my allies some small provinces if I want them to be stronger (richer) allies in the future. By denying your allies the chance to gain more provinces, you deny them the opportunity to expand and grow so that thay may recruit better, fight better, upgrade infrastructure faster, and economically prosper in the future. You are denying them of any future growth.

Always remember that a strong and loyal ally makes a good vassal. And a good vassal will one day become part of your country. That means that every province that you had 'given' to that ally/vassal will one day become part of your nation. You just have to be patient because this is a long term strategy.

Why would you want a weak/poor/starving vassal anyways? I would rather "fatten up" my allies/vassals so that they may grow strong and economically thriving. When my vassals are fat and prosperous, they can easily kick the butt of my enemies. They become better fighters in my Coalition. When I do that, my vassals will easily upgrade all their fortresses, they will more quickly build factories. Because one day, they will freely give all those provinces to me!!!!

By the way, I never "fatten up" allies who I see as temporary allies. They might end up backstabing me later on. ;)