Problems with current Mutazalism

[Symmetry]

The main problem I don't really see any reason why a player would ever choose to go Muzalite in the first place. Compared to normal play you gain 4 courthouses early, but in return you have many more conversions you have to make in Iberia, and have far less missionaries to do it with thanks to both the increase in inovativness and the decrease religions missionaries. Also, now any expansion into north africa will be more troublesome because it is now a Suni/Mutazalite mix rather than all Suni, and there are no longer same religion provinces in north africa for you to conquer.

My recent experiences playing Cordoba was that in 1470 I had a heretics event that converted Gibralter to Mutazalism. All well and good I thought, I continued playing until I got the convert to Mutazalism event. The my capitol and two random provinces also converted to Mutazilism: Toledo, Gibralter, and Gibralter. The Mutazilite caliphate event also tends to convert less than 5 seperate provinces.

Because the random number generator in EUII and the other Paradox games I've played tends to be poor, it seems like a wise idea to, rather than to have all the conversions at once, to establish a random event or series of events to do the conversions.

Its my understanding that the conversion to Mutazilism is supposed to help with the conversion of the Iberian Christians, when in terms of game mechanics it makes things much more difficult by both drastically reducing the number of missionaries available (to 0 per year with all A choices and no random events), and also substantially reduces the income of the Granadan player, with most provinces now getting -45% income between the wrong religion and ten year revolt risk.

I love the story behind Mutazilism, but unless some things are changed I can't see why any human player would choose to go with it.

 

[unmerged(31994)]

We have only recently developed it - I may draft some events to help with the conversion of Iberia, I also think the tech should be increased in speed to widen the difference between Sunni and Mutazelite.

Edit : Regarding North Africa, why is it difficult to conquer North Africa?The Mutzalite Caliphate triggers for them and they usually turn Mutazelite.

 

[unmerged(20077)]

I love the story behind Mutazilism, but unless some things are changed I can't see why any human player would choose to go with it.

But you could say that about Poland's "The Sejm Veto All Your Policies" events in the vanilla game - of course a human player is going to go behind their backs... or the Ottomans' "End of the Lali Devri" event: of course a human player won't choose A and throw away Orthodox tech. Should every event have an eye on game balance?

 

[almoravid]

That's where vanilla lacks. Balance is better, IMO.

 

[Symmetry]

Would it be alright if I revised some of the Mutazilite events and added a couple of new ones? I think I have some clever ideas for making the Mutazalite/Suni choice less clear cut even without modifying Mutazilism

As to the difficulty in Africa, its true that Morocco and Algiers get events convertging them, but they only get two provinces converted. I'm not sure that either can really be expected to convert the rest of their provinces by game end but I guess thats something that has to be tested.

 

[Symmetry]

Some events and changes I'm thinking of:


event = {
id = 410850
random = no
country = CRD
trigger = {
domestic = { type = innovative value = 2 } #Changed from <2
stability = 0
}
name = "Mutazalite Rebirth"
desc = "Mu'tazili theology originated in the 8th century in al-Basrah when Wasil ibn Ata left the teaching lessons of al-Hasan al-Basri after a theological dispute; thus he and his followers were labelled Mu'tazili. Later, Mu'tazilis called themselves Ahl al-'Adl wa al-Tawhid ("People of Justice and Monotheism") based on the theology they advocated, which expanded on the logic and rationalism of Greek philosophy, seeking to combine them with Islamic doctrines and show that the two were inherently compatible. The Mu'tazili teachings found refugee in Al-Andalus when the Caliphs of Baghdad expelled them for heretical teachings.Though the sect had found a haven in al-Andalus, they died out thanks to the continous warring between the Muslims and Christians.In these times of peace however, the Mu'tazilites teachings are in revival amongst the elite and aritocratic members of Andalusian society"
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1450 }
offset = 128
deathdate = { day = 1 month = december year = 1460 }
action_a = {
name = "Mutazalitism is reborn again"
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = -1 } #Mutazalites lean to peaceful teachings and Mutazalite nobles wont revolt
command = { type = cash value = 50 } # support from Mutazalite nobility
command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = -1 } #Freeing serfs by Mutazalites
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 } # Forward thinking by Mutazalites
}
}

event = {
id = 410851
random = no
country = CRD
name = "The Quran and it's essence"
desc = "During this period, several questions were being debated by Muslim theologians. These included whether the Qur'an was created or eternal, whether evil was created by God, the issue of predestination versus free will, whether God's attributes in the Qur'an were to be interpreted allegorically or literally, and whether sinning believers would have eternal punishment in hell. Islam was also dealing with a number of doctrines later deemed to be heresy, as well as challenges to it from atheists. Mu'tazili thought attempted to address all these issues. In the reign of the shepherd King, the Mutazalite Scholars entered a massive debate that was heard in Baghdad regarding the Quran's essence, weither it was created or eternal."
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1492 } #No preconditions, so don't need an offset


action_a = { #Leads to CAL event 532411
name = "Entreat the Mutazalites"
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
command = { type = provincereligion which = 444 value = shiite } #Granada
}
action_b = {
name = "Heretics!"
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 2 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 532411 }
}
}

event = {
id = 410852
random = no
country = CRD
trigger = { event = 532411 }
name = "A Choice of Faith"
desc = "Upon hearing of the heretical debates going on in the Alhambra, the Caliph of Baghdad dispatched a messenger to deliver his formal disapproval to the Cordoban Sultan. The rough and insulting language of the message angered the Sultan immensly. Cordoba was now at a corssroad, either break with Baghdad and embrace the Mutazalite sect, or to yeild and submit to the Caliphate's religious authroity once again. The Sultan's decision would affect not only the treatment of the Mutazelite scholars, but the political direction of Cordoba and Islam."
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1492 }

action_a = {
name = "Protect the Scholars, Mutazalitism is the right path!"
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = religion which = shiite }
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = -400 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 40 value = 3 } #Upped a bit and shortened duration
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 3 }
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
command = { type = religiousrevolt which = -1 }
command = { type = religiousrevolt which = -1 }
command = { type = provincereligion which = 439 value = shiite }#Toledo
command = { type = provincereligion which = 443 value = shiite }#Andalusia
command = { type = provincereligion which = 444 value = shiite } #Granada again just in case
command = { type = trigger which = 532412 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Punish the Scholars, Islam is to remain united!"
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = 150 }
command = { type = cash value = 25 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 3 }
command = { type = DIP which = -3 value = 120 } # Sultan is weak and pathetic
command = { type = trigger which = 532414 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 410854 } # Mutazalite Caliphate
}
}

event = {
id = 410853
random = no
country = CRD
trigger = { event = 532411 }
name = "The True Islam Revealed"
desc = "The Sultan was in his own right a considerable scholar of Islam and had 'converted' to Mutazelite thought by 1580. With the apparent disinterest shown by the Caliph to the anti-Mutazelite preaching of the imams in the East, the Sultan chose the moment to announce that Mutazelism was the pure form of Islam, the prophet's intended path and the correct interpretation of the Qu'ran and the Sunnah."
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1495 }

action_a = {
name = "Protect the Scholars, Mutazalitism is the right path!"
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = religion which = shiite }
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = -400 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 40 value = 3 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 3 }
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
command = { type = religiousrevolt which = -1 }
command = { type = religiousrevolt which = -1 }
command = { type = provincereligion which = 439 value = shiite }#Toledo
command = { type = provincereligion which = 443 value = shiite }#Andalusia
command = { type = provincereligion which = 444 value = shiite } #Granada again just in case
command = { type = trigger which = 532413 }
}
}

event = {
id = 410854
trigger = {
religion = shiite #Might as well say what we mean
stability = 1
}
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1510 } #Moved up 10 years
offset = 360
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1560 }
random = no
country = CRD
name = "Mutazalite Caliphate"
desc = "Mu'tazilism's rationalism was appealing to the learned classes of the time, as was its stance on Free Will, and its perceived opposition to the rival theologies. However, being elitist in nature, it never gained ground with the masses, and its adoption by the rulers and the subsequent persecution of scholars made it appeal even less to the public. Mu'tazilis initially focused on attacks on Islam from non-Muslims. However they soon became focussed on debating other theologies and sects within Islam itself. In the 16th century, Abu Kamal of Valencia, the famous Muslim astronomer and noble, embarked on an ambitious plan to make the Mu'tazali teachings more appealing, by constructing the magnificent Library and University of Al-Tawheed (Monotheism) in Cordoba that would act as a beacon for the rational and logical teachings of the Mutazalites. He also vouched for establishing a new Caliphate in Cordoba to completely severe relations with Baghdad forever."

action_a = {
name = "We are the new Caliphate!"
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = -200 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -250 }
command = { type = provincereligion which = 438 value = shiite }#Murcia
command = { type = provincereligion which = 440 value = shiite }#Estramadura
command = { type = provincereligion which = 443 value = shiite }#Andalusia
command = { type = provincereligion which = 445 value = shiite }#Granada
command = { type = provincereligion which = 442 value = shiite }#Algrave
}
action_b = {
name = "Let us not anger Baghdad"
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = 50 }
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 120 value = 2 }
}
}

event = {
id = 410864
random = yes
trigger = {
event = 410854 #Cordoban Caliphate
atwar = no
religion = shiite
domestic = { type = INNOVATIVE value = 5 }
}
name = "Mutazelite Conversion"
desc = "Church policy always supported by the might of Royal power was often directed at eradicating heresy. The Mutazelites were unique in being able to achieve conversions equally well through persuaiton or force."
style = 1
action_a = {
name = "They shall hear the word of God"
command = { type = conversion which = -1 }
}
}

I think these changes will help a bit, as well as adding some flavor in the last case.

 

[MattyG]

Symettry,

Thanks for your suggestions here. It would appear that you have posted your material about the same time that Calipah posted his. As he is the Master of Our Islamic World I would like to leave him to comment on your changes and additions and perhaps the two of you can produce a good final set of events.

(Then I will make my usual arrogant adjustments to some of the triggers and commands, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk ... )

MattyG

 

[unmerged(31994)]

I added your triggers and benefits - just changed the Mutazelite scholar events from Granada to Toledo (the capital) and added my new texts.Is this fine now?
################################################## #########
#
# Mutazelite Events
#
# ID range is 410850 - 410599
#
################################################## #########


event = {
id = 410850
random = no
country = CRD
trigger = {
domestic = { type = innovative value = 2 } #Changed from <2
stability = 0
}
name = "Mutazalite Theology in Revival"
desc = "Mu'tazili theology originated in the 8th century in al-Basrah when Wasil ibn Ata left the teaching lessons of al-Hasan al-Basri after a theological dispute; thus he and his followers were labelled Mu'tazili (meaning those that seclude or leave). Later, Mu'tazilis called themselves Ahl al-'Adl wa al-Tawhid (People of Justice and Monotheism) based on the theology they advocated, which expanded on the logic and rationalism of Greek philosophy, seeking to combine them with Islamic doctrines and show that the two were inherently compatible. The Mu'tazili teachings found refugee in Al-Andalus when the Caliphs of Baghdad expelled them for heretical teachings during the troubling years of the 13th century.Though the sect had found a haven in al-Andalus, they died out due to the warring between the Muslims and Christians.However,during the middle of the 15th century, Mu'tazilites teachings were in revival once again, mostly amongst the elite and aritocratic members of Andalusian society"
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1450 }
offset = 128
deathdate = { day = 1 month = december year = 1460 }

action_a = {
name = "An Intresting Path"
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = -1 } #Mutazalites lean to peaceful teachings and Mutazalite nobles wont revolt
command = { type = cash value = 50 } # support from Mutazalite nobility
command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = -1 } #Freeing serfs by Mutazalites
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 } # Forward thinking by Mutazalites
}
}

event = {
id = 410851
random = no
country = CRD
name = "The Debat of the Quran and it's essence"
desc = "During this period, several questions were being debated by Muslim theologians. These included whether the Qur'an was created or eternal, whether evil was created by God, the issue of predestination versus free will, whether God's attributes in the Qur'an were to be interpreted allegorically or literally, and whether sinning believers would have eternal punishment in hell. Islam was also dealing with a number of doctrines later deemed to be heresy, as well as challenges to it from atheists. Mu'tazili thought attempted to address all these issues. In the reign of the shepherd King, the Mutazalite Scholars entertained a great debate regarding the nature of the Quran that would attract the attention of the Abbasid Caliphate, the defender of the Orthodox Sunni Sect."
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1492 }
offset = 128
deathdate = { day = 1 month = december year = 1504 }

action_a = { #Leads to CAL event 532411
name = "Entreat the Mutazalites"
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
command = { type = provincereligion which = 439 value = shiite } #Better Cordoba, the Capital no?
}
action_b = {
name = "Heretics!"
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 2 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 532411 }
}
}

event = {
id = 410852
random = no
country = CRD
trigger = { event = 532411 }
name = "The Mutazelite Reformation in al-Andalus"
desc = "Upon hearing of the heretical debates going on in Cordoba, the Caliph of Baghdad dispatched a messenger to deliver his formal disapproval to the Cordoban Sultan. The rough and insulting language of the message angered the Sultan immensly. Cordoba was now at a corssroad, either to break with Baghdad and embrace the Mutazalite sect, or to yeild and submit to the Caliphate's religious authroity once again. The Sultan's decision would affect not only the treatment of the Mutazelite scholars, but the political & religious direction of Cordoba and Islam."
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1492 }
offset = 600
deathdate = { day = 1 month = december year = 1504 }

action_a = {
name = "Embrace the Mutazelites"
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = religion which = shiite }
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = -400 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 40 value = 3 } #Upped a bit and shortened duration
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 3 }
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
command = { type = religiousrevolt which = -1 }
command = { type = religiousrevolt which = -1 }
command = { type = provincereligion which = 438 value = shiite }#Murcia
command = { type = provincereligion which = 443 value = shiite }#Andalusia
command = { type = provincereligion which = 444 value = shiite } #Granada again just in case
command = { type = trigger which = 532412 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Punish the Scholars, Islam is to remain united!"
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = 150 }
command = { type = cash value = 25 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 3 }
command = { type = DIP which = -3 value = 120 } # Sultan is weak and pathetic
command = { type = trigger which = 532414 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 410854 } # Mutazalite Caliphate
}
}

event = {
id = 410853
random = no
country = CRD
trigger = { event = 532411 }
name = "The True Islam Revealed"
desc = "The Sultan was in his own right a considerable scholar of Islam and had 'converted' to Mutazelite thought by 1580. With the apparent disinterest shown by the Caliph to the anti-Mutazelite preaching of the imams in the East, the Sultan chose the moment to announce that Mutazelism was the pure form of Islam, the prophet's intended path and the correct interpretation of the Qu'ran and the Sunnah."
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1495 }
offset = 600
deathdate = { day = 1 month = december year = 1504 }

action_a = {
name = "Truly, this is the right path"
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = religion which = shiite }
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = -400 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 40 value = 3 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 60 value = 3 }
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
command = { type = religiousrevolt which = -1 }
command = { type = religiousrevolt which = -1 }
command = { type = provincereligion which = 439 value = shiite }#Toledo
command = { type = provincereligion which = 443 value = shiite }#Andalusia
command = { type = provincereligion which = 444 value = shiite } #Granada again just in case
command = { type = trigger which = 532413 }
}
}

event = {
id = 410854
trigger = {
religion = shiite #Might as well say what we mean
stability = 1
}
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1510 } #Moved up 10 years
offset = 360
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1560 }
random = no
country = CRD
name = "The Mutazalite Caliphate in al-Andalus"
desc = "Mu'tazilism's rationalism was appealing to the learned classes of the time, as was its stance on Free Will, and its perceived opposition to the rival theologies. However, being elitist in nature, it never gained ground with the masses, and its adoption by the rulers and the subsequent persecution of Sunni scholars made it appeal even less to the public. In the middle of the 16th century, Abu Kamal of Valencia, the famous Muslim astronomer and noble, embarked on an ambitious plan to make the Mu'tazali teachings more appealing, by constructing the magnificent Library and University of Al-Tawheed (Monotheism) in Cordoba that would act as a beacon for the rational and logical teachings of the Mutazalites.Imams and Clerics of the Mutazelite sect roamed the Andalusian lands converting the populace to the true faith.With the tempo of conversion growing in iberia, the Sultan declared himself the Caliph of al-Andalus and North Africa, and with that, the last ties between Cordoba and Baghdad were severed."

action_a = {
name = "We are the new Caliphate!"
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = -200 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = cash value = -250 }
command = { type = provincereligion which = 438 value = shiite }#Murcia
command = { type = provincereligion which = 440 value = shiite }#Estramadura
command = { type = provincereligion which = 443 value = shiite }#Andalusia
command = { type = provincereligion which = 445 value = shiite }#Granada
command = { type = provincereligion which = 442 value = shiite }#Algrave
}
action_b = {
name = "Let us not anger Baghdad"
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = 50 }
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 120 value = 2 }
}
}

event = {
id = 410855
random = no
country = CRD
trigger = {
atwar = no
religion = shiite
stability = 0
}
name = "The Rise of the Mutazelite Legal Code"
desc = "One of the tenents of Mu'tazalitism was Justice.Facing the problem of existence of evil in a world where God is omnipotent, the Mu'tazilis pointed at the free will of human beings, so that evil was defined as something that stems from the errors in human acts. God does no evil, and he demands not from any human to perform any evil act. If man's evil acts had been from the will of God, then punishment would have been meaningless, as man performed God's will no matter what he did.Thus the Mu'tazalites pressured the Caliph of al-Andalus to undertake the task of reforming the law system on which the state was founded, a kinder and more tolerant version of Islamic shariah. The Caliph immediatly embarked on a complete overhaul the likes never seen in al-Andalus, or the Islamic world for that matter."
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1590 }
offset = 3649
deathdate = { day = 1 month = december year = 1650 }

action_a ={
name = "A new system of law"
command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 1 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = -1 }
command = { type = domestic which = serfdom value = -1 }
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = infra value = 500 }
command = { type = cash value = -350 }
command = { type = gainbuilding which = -2 value = courthouse }
command = { type = gainbuilding which = 444 value = courthouse }
command = { type = gainbuilding which = 441 value = courthouse }
command = { type = gainbuilding which = 432 value = courthouse }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 240 value = -1 }
}
}


event = {
id = 410860
random = no
country = MOR
trigger = { event = 410854 }
name = "A Religious Question"
desc = "With the Mutazalite Enlightment dawning al-Andalus, the effects of the new religious tidal wave are reaching our very court.A new Caliphate has been declared in al-Andalus based on the ideals of love, compassion and knowledge.The Caliph in Baghdad has urged the Ulema throughout Dar al-Islam to fight back against the heresy of Cordoba.My lord, we are pressured from all sides, we must make a stand now, shall we embrace the new teachings in Cordoba or affirm our belief in the authority of the Caliph of Baghdad?. "
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1520 }
offset = 1000
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1560 }

action_a = {
name = "Mutazaliteism!"
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = CRD value = 100 }
command = { type = religion which = shiite }
command = { type = conversion which = -2 }
command = { type = conversion which = -1 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Heretics!"
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = CRD value = -100 }
command = { type = cash value = 50 }
}
}

event = {
id = 410861
random = no
country = ALD
trigger = { event = 410854 }
name = "A Religious Question"
desc = "With the Mutazalite Enlightment dawning al-Andalus, the effects of the new religious tidal wave are reaching our very court.A new Caliphate has been declared in al-Andalus based on the ideals of love, compassion and knowledge.The Caliph in Baghdad has urged the Ulema throughout Dar al-Islam to fight back against the heresy of Cordoba.My lord, we are pressured from all sides, we must make a stand now, shall we embrace the new teachings in Cordoba or affirm our belief in the authority of the Caliph of Baghdad?."
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1520 }
offset = 1000
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1560 }

action_a = {
name = "Mutazaliteism!"
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = CRD value = 100 }
command = { type = religion which = shiite }
command = { type = conversion which = -2 }
command = { type = conversion which = -1 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Heretics!"
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = CRD value = -100 }
command = { type = cash value = 50 }
}
}

event = {
id = 410862
random = no
country = TUN
trigger = { event = 410854 }
name = "A Religious Question"
desc = "With the Mutazalite Enlightment dawning al-Andalus, the effects of the new religious tidal wave are reaching our very court.A new Caliphate has been declared in al-Andalus based on the ideals of love, compassion and knowledge.The Caliph in Baghdad has urged the Ulema throughout Dar al-Islam to fight back against the heresy of Cordoba.My lord, we are pressured from all sides, we must make a stand now, shall we embrace the new teachings in Cordoba or affirm our belief in the authority of the Caliph of Baghdad? "
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1520 }
offset = 1000
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1560 }

action_a = {
name = "Mutazaliteism!"
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = CRD value = 100 }
command = { type = religion which = shiite }
command = { type = conversion which = -2 }
command = { type = conversion which = -1 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Heretics!"
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = CRD value = -100 }
command = { type = cash value = 50 }
}
}

event = {
id = 410863
random = no
country = TRI
trigger = { event = 410854 }
name = "A Religious Question"
desc = "With the Mutazalite Enlightment dawning al-Andalus, the effects of the new religious tidal wave are reaching our very court.A new Caliphate has been declared in al-Andalus based on the ideals of love, compassion and knowledge.The Caliph in Baghdad has urged the Ulema throughout Dar al-Islam to fight back against the heresy of the Mutazelites.My lord, we are pressured from all sides, we must make a stand now, shall we embrace the new teachings in Cordoba or affirm our belief in the authority of the Caliph of Baghdad? "
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1520 }
offset = 1000
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1560 }

action_a = {
name = "Mutazeliteism!"
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = -100 }
command = { type = relation which = CRD value = 100 }
command = { type = religion which = shiite }
command = { type = conversion which = -2 }
command = { type = conversion which = -1 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Heretics!"
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = CRD value = -100 }
command = { type = cash value = 50 }
}
}
**********************************
Random Event for Mutazelite Faith
**********************************

event = {
id = 410864
random = yes
trigger = {
event = 410854 #Cordoban Caliphate
atwar = no
religion = shiite
domestic = { type = INNOVATIVE value = 5 }
}
name = "Mutazelite Conversion"
desc = "Church policy always supported by the might of Royal power was often directed at eradicating heresy.The Mutazelites were unique in being able to achieve conversions equally well through persuasion or force."
style = 1
action_a = {
name = "They shall hear the word of God"
command = { type = conversion which = -1 }
}
}

 

[unmerged(31994)]

I fiddled around with the Alhambra event (which I dont find any basis for) and added some new flavour Andalusian events...


event = {
id = 200547
random = no
country = CRD
name = "The Magnificent Rusafa"
desc = "Well aware that he would never again see his homeland, ‘Abd al-Rahman (Conquerer of al-Andalus) sought to revive the Damascene outlook and even it's landscape in al-Andalus. He built a new Rusafa (Ummayed Palace), in memory of the country palace he had left behind. He composed a little poem, in which he bared his soul:

-In Rusafa I came upon a palm; here in the Western lands a sight so rare, I said; You stand alone, like me so far from home, you miss the children and our loved ones there; you have not grown tall in native soil. Like you I must breath this alien air-

Originally a pleasure palace, the Rusafa was built during the 8th and 9th centuries by the Ummayed Dynasty, it is a sprawling citadel consisting of royal-residences, court complexes flanked by official chambers,several baths, and a mosque, all in proximity to Cordoba. A varied repetoire of Moorish arched, columnar and domical forms, the palace and its vast courtyards were intended to be a physical realization of descriptions of Paradise from Islamic poetry.The Palace contained a most elaborate Courtyard, with a flush and all year flowering garden,a zoo, and wonderous ponds.Some of the Christian diplomats even called it the Garden of Europe. In 1569 AD, the Sultan hired the Byzantium Turk Mimar Sinian to undertake an expensive building project intended to expand the Rusafa into a glorious spectacle that would awe and humble visitors for centuries to come."

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1569 }
offset = 45
deathdate = { day = 1 month = december year = 1569 }

action_a = {
name = "Build this jewel in our crown"
command = { type = treasury value = -800 }
command = { type = stability value = 2 }
command = { type = gainmanufactory which = 439 value = luxury } # Toledo
command = { type = infra value = 2000 }
command = { type = vp value = 50 }
}
action_b = {
name = "Invest in fortifications instead"
command = { type = fortress which = -2 value = 1 }
command = { type = fortress which = -1 value = 1 }
command = { type = fortress which = -1 value = 1 }
command = { type = fortress which = -1 value = 1 }
}
}

# The Giralda of Sevilla

event = {
id = ??????
trigger = {
owned = { province = 443 data = -1 }
}
random = no
country = CRD
name = "The Giralda of Sevilla"
desc = "The emblematic Giralda of Sevilla was the most important building the Almohads built in al-Andalus. The works on the Giralda started in 1184 and were finished in 1198 after the victory of Al Araq (Alarcos), so the beautiful tower became a tribute to the ancient Almohad Caliph's Al-Mansur's greatness. The legend speaks that the Almohads had to build a huge platform to support the tremendous weight of the tower, which was made with the stones of Visigothic and Roman ruins.Originally a Minaret for the Grand Mosque in Seville, the Mutazelites of Cordoba found it more benefitial as the starting grace of the most well reputed college in all of Europe ;the el-Giraldiya."

style = 1
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1528 }
offset = 30
deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1529 }

action_a ={
name = "In the Caliph's name!"
command = { type = infra value = 400 }
command = { type = cash value = -400 }
command = { type = stability value = 2 }
command = { type = badboy value = -2 }
command = { type = vp value = 30 }
}
action_b ={
name = "No need for huge stoneworks"
command = { type = cash value = -50 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = infra value = 200 }
}
action_c ={
name = "No, it's not necessary at all"
command = { type = infra value = -100 }
command = { type = vp value = -10 }
}
}

 

[Symmetry]

Thank you Caliph, those changes were exactly what I had in mind. I've played through once with them and they work just like they should. Those other events look good too.

 

[MattyG]

I'll download these, number them and insert them in the Cordoba file.

Excellent work, both of you.

 

[MattyG]

Should the Malwas line in Cordoba be allowed to go Mutazelite? I see them as the militaristic/unenlightened/narrowminded branch of Cordoba.

It would be a simple matter of having a NOT = { flag = malwas_army} inserted into the initial Mutazelite event.

 

[unmerged(31994)]

By the time the Mawlas revolt, Cordoba would be completely Mutazelite in thought and philosophy.We can however, have periodical "Revolt" Events from the enlightened masses for example.

 

[MattyG]

By the time the Mawlas revolt, Cordoba would be completely Mutazelite in thought and philosophy.We can however, have periodical "Revolt" Events from the enlightened masses for example.

The Mawlas System event triggers between 1474 and 1478, whereas the key Mutazelite event is 1492.

Currently to form the Malwas is action a, but if instead we make it action b, then at least the ai will be less likely to pick it.

In this way, going with the Malwas may give certain military advantages, but at the expense of getting Mutazelism.