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Hey there mate! Just wanted to say I'm really enjoying this AAR. As a history student who's been specializing in Russian history recently it's been very entertaining to learn something about the development of the Commonwealth before it became a plaything of the great powers. :)
Well, relations between Russia and Commonwealth till around 1654 can be surmised by this gif (Russia seated), so this AAR only barely deviates from history in that regard :p

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great AAR, like always! I actualy learned a lot about history from it :D
Btw, I never played EU4 and don't know if it's possible here, but could you post an independent states political map? I'm curious of the state of the world at this point.
 

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Blasphemous heresy!
If even the prince of heretics denounce heresy, the hour is dire !
Good point, citizen. Since when do the traitors abhor heresy?
Well, that update was rather... messy. Looks like the peasants will need to be taught the true value of a just and tolerant society at swordpoint, whether they like it or not.
Well said :)
So, your humanism and tolerance ideas advance, and the peasants respond by removing all your stability and revolting constantly. It has in fact gotten so bad for peasants that they assume something's wrong when their lives improve slightly. Well, the PLC, PPRRC if we're going by accepted cultures can handle a few tens of thousands of filthy peasants.
They just don't know what's good for them and that's why they have to be guided by those wiser and more noble than them. Silly peasants - would you believe some of them want a "republic"? Unwashed masses want to vote! Outrageous.

i think there is a major mistake in your assumptions - religion of masses and independence - these 2 factors were basically _not_ connected throughout the whole period basically in the whole europe, unless the particular government was stupid enough/had interest to be oppressive towards the masses, eg. due to their being of different religion. PLC was a multi-religion country with the central government caring very little for the religion of masses and was never oppressive due to religion varieties (unlike eg. UK in Ireland or France vs protestants or German whose country his religion etc.)

of course there were peasants revolts, in particular in today's Ucraine, but they were more related to the oppressive economical treatment of the masses by the landlords / magnates, which were allowed more and more rights by the elected kings, virtually leading to reestablishment of semi-slavery rural system with peasants being forced to render lots of free work to the landlord and/or being beraved of their lands.

the fact that the religion between the involved parties was different is rather a coincident, than a reason. at the same time one could say that the reason for revolts was a different language, but please note - the upper class would, in particular in late XVII and XVIII century rather speak French, than the local variety of Polish, Lithuanian, Ucrainian, Russian etc. note - this is quite similar to the case of Prussian emperor who would speak German only with his horse...

to sum up - the peasants revolts were basically always focused on easing their life, no matter in which part of the PLC, and the landlords/magnats were equally hated in all parts of the country.
A great comment - I really don't have anything to add. Like Avocado Aguila said, the main cause of tensions was economical and political one, cultural differences weren't that important and in case of religion: well, I'll talk about this later :)
Hey there mate! Just wanted to say I'm really enjoying this AAR. As a history student who's been specializing in Russian history recently it's been very entertaining to learn something about the development of the Commonwealth before it became a plaything of the great powers. :)

Made me try a Poland game myself. Went reasonably well until I too had a peasant war and the attrition reduced my army to nothing. I gave it a second shot, choose humanism as my first tech and sailed through without problems. I'm in the mid 1500 now and happily beating up the Turks and the Russians. Incredible what a powerhouse Poland can be once you get it off the ground!
A historian! Welcome to the thread, Lord Valentine - I'm glad that you enjoy the AAR and considering your area of expertise if you would ever want to write something about PLC-Muscow relations so that I could include this in an update, just let me know. It would be great to have another POV: I'm doing my best but I know that I'm biased somewhat, especially regarding Muscowy/Russia :p

Poland and Lithuania both have a pretty good set of NI, which combined with easy PU and a great position to expand makes playing them very enjoyable IMHO - good luck in your game!
Well, relations between Russia and Commonwealth till around 1654 can be surmised by this gif (Russia seated), so this AAR only barely deviates from history in that regard :p
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That's a huge simplification but at least concerning 1610 it's pretty acurate :p
great AAR, like always! I actualy learned a lot about history from it :D
Btw, I never played EU4 and don't know if it's possible here, but could you post an independent states political map? I'm curious of the state of the world at this point.
Thanks and I'm very glad to hear that - I imagine that in schools/universites in Western Europe first closer contact with PLC history is in 18th century, which wasn't really the best period for the Commonwealth :p
These last updates were made a month ago or more and they were just lacking the historical snippets - I don't really have a political map sadly but you can take a good look at Europe in some screenshots.
 

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CHAPTER 5
1524-1531
BLOODY PEASANTS

Hi! This is the last of the few chapters which were lying on my laptop being “almost done”, so don't expect the next one to be out as soon as the last two were. Today we shall learn a very important lesson – how to survive a Peasants War. No historical snippets this time, because I'm too busy killing BLOODY PEASANTS WHY WON'T YOU JUST LET ME EXPLOIT YOU WITHOUT A HASSLE YOU REBEL SCUM! Ahem. Let's start with the overview of my current situation.

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It's bad. It's really, really bad. I'm broke, I have little to no manpower and I have basically zero legitimacy and not even including the effects of the Peasants' War I could expect some serious revolts. On the other hand, thanks to my recent wars I have truces or alliances with basically every neighbor save for Crimea, so they should leave me alone for the next few years. But don't worry, surviving the Peasants' War is actually pretty easy – let's take a look at the triggers for “The End of the Peasants' War” event on eu4wiki.com:

Trigger conditions:
[x] Has country flag Peasant War.
[x] Any of the following:
........[x] All of the following:
................[x] Had country flag:
........................[x] Has flag Peasant War.
........................[x] Days is at least 1000.
................[x] Number of revolts is less than 1.
................[x] Stability is at least 1.
........[x] Has country flag Peasants War Can End.
Right. So what does it tell us? First of all, for the event to fire at least 1000 days have to pass, which means that the bloody peasants are going to ruin my pretty blob for at least 3 years. To trigger the event I need to have Stability at at least 1 and zero active rebel stacks on the map. Conclusion: don't waste your MPs on raising Stability before the three year period ends. In my case the Peasants' War started in September 1524, so until, say, November 1527 raising Stab is pointless – just like killing those bloody peasants is. I'm going to need manpower for my army to recover after going for a rebel killing spree three years from now, so I won't be wasting it now especially considering I have so little of it. The only rebels worth killing are revolutionaries (Democracy? Not in my Republic!) and religious fanatics, since they can force-convert you. So to sum up my strategy – do nothing for the first three years and then roflstomp the peasants and restore order (raise Stab to 1).

Polan yuo of genius.

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Freedom? Crushing taxes? What is this nonsense? You are free – I liberated you from oppressive Muscovite yoke, you bloody peasants! Plus I need taxes to finance my imperialistic conquests build more, err, orphanages! And there will be lots of them when I'm done with you, unwashed commoners.

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Oh, great. Religious Revolt. Well, I guess with traditional PLC tolerance and so on there's really only one choice. Lower revolt risk due to tolerance and lower stab cost is definitely worth it plus the first option spawns some ridiculous amount of rebels so yeah, let's give them the freedom to choose... their own... religion? YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT, YOU UNGRATEFUL SCUM! Where do you think you live, in St. Bartholomew's Day's France? In HRE during the Thirty Years War? We are civilized people, we don't persecute others for what they believe in, you mindless peasants!

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Oops. And there is no other option for me to choose, apparently because I need to have at least stability 0 to unlock the “We must negotiate a solution” response. Huh, I didn't know that – it seems my strategy of dealing with rebels may not be that brilliant.

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It doesn't look good at all. And we're just a six months into the Peasants' War. Hmm... Maybe I should actually start doing something instead of just hoarding manpower and MPs?

Nah.

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Finally some good news. I had to take another loan to pay for this but +10% national manpower is definitely worth it. Plus with -23 ducats monthly income I'm taking loans anyways, so I may as well make some good use of this money.

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The year 1525 was almost over when the “Reformation Branches Out” event fires and soon afterwards the Counter-Reformation begins. Will we see Reformed Brandenburg? That would be quite interesting – I never played as Reformed, the bonuses aren't that great after all, but I would prefer Brandenburg to stick with +1 advisor and +2 heretic tolerance rather than taxes and idea cost bonuses from Protestant. Because we're totally going to destroy Brandenburg at some point: you can't really make a decent Preemptive Partitions without killing Prussia before it is born, you know.

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A pleasant surprise comes in March 1526 when I become a Papal Controller – again. Shame I'm in a position in which almost all of these bonuses are going to be wasted. Out of frustration I decide to excommunicate France, not because I need to but because I can – and let's be honest, we all hate BBB.

This fine example of trolling in international relations is too much for my old king to handle.

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At least Michał I Lubomirski died with a smile on his face. The king is dead - long live the king Kazimierz IV Gryf from Pomerania! His skills are really good and although I have no idea how come Pomerania of all places put someone from their dynasty on the throne of PLC I don't really care – I'll take 5/5/2 over dynasty prestige every time. Of course since the king died I get -1 Stability BUT since I already have -3 Stab it makes no difference – you can't take from me what I already don't have, Paradox!

The rebels are more concerning – I don't want to change my government type (I want the “One King to Rule!” achievement) and Emil Wyhowski has crappy stats, so I'm afraid my troops are going to finally do something after being stationed in the same province for the past two years.

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Uhh, this is a nasty event. I actually take -1 basetax since I already have tons of loans and I definitely don't want to go bankrupt since it would delay my Preemptive Partitions and would make conquering Muscowy much harder – more time for them, more land they'll grab in Siberia. I don't want to fight them either so I take the basetax hit. Damned szlachta and their timing.

The peasants are obviously worse.

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Alright, it's March 1528 and the situation is getting worse and worse. In several months I'll have to start killing the rebels and get myself to 1 Stability . I'm broke, with no legitimacy, no prestige, -3 Stability and manpower evaporating quickly. I already lost almost three years worth of conquest due to those damned peasants and as soon as truces are over, Denmark and Muscowy may attack me. Worst case scenario, the whole PLC falls apart, rebels enforce change of government and I fail the quest for achievement. The time has come to actually do something for a change.

Go blob or go home, as they say – and so I implement my bold plan.

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It's conversion time! There are already few Protestant pockets in PLC, so I won't be starting from a scratch plus extra money will at least postpone taking another loan. I will lose 100 prestige but as you may see on the screenshot, I don't have any prestige to begin with so I don't care. I raise Stability to 0 since I'm going to need it to be at +1 soon anyways and it will help me deal with the rebels.

Why Protestant? Because it's perfect religion for PLC – more money is nice but -10% idea cost stacks with -10% idea cost from Humanism, which means I'll be spending only 320 MP on a single idea. This will enable me to rush to unlocking all my National Ideas and the final +3 tolerance of heretic Polish Ambition, which effectively will give me permanent +3 tolerance towards heretics and thus even more taxes, more manpower and fewer revolts. Considering how annoying Curia minigame is and that Catholic gives -1 tolerance to heretic, there is really no reason to stick with it as PLC. The only thing which worries me is that Austria almost always stays Catholic and with -40 Neighboring heretic malus I can lose my Western Arms Trade bonus as well as the alliance with Hapsburgs, which may-

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Oh. Never mind than. Also, England wants alliance with me which I accept – we both have Denmark as rival and I can actually use their navy to block all Danish ports, which means quicker sieges for me and higher WE for them.

It seems however that the peasants aren't glad that I changed the state religion.

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Religious unity is a little too low for my taste but +1.28 revolt risk is nothing compared to what I'm going through right now. Which reminds me – with “Res Publica” (I think) Paradox made it possible for your allies who have military access to your lands and don't have wars on rebellions to deal with themselves to kill the rebels for you. Isn't this great? Novgorod and Austria are wasting their troops to help me, thus saving my manpower – oh how naïve they are.

Okay, it's time to deal with the rebels for real now, so in other words it's time for a magic trick!

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Poof! The rebels are gone! And it only takes 10 prestige out of my -100 prestige! To make a best use of it, I advise you to wait for the game to spawn more of the same type of rebels – there's no point in spending 3 times the same prestige you can use only once after few months. It is kinda gamebreaking because you only really have to deal with revolutionaries and religious fanatics, so it's understandable that “Art of War” removes this option and instead the rebels always have the same demands, enforced or not. Oh well.

Anyways, it's time to bring some Tolerance(tm) to those bloody rebels.

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Great, another- wait! I have 0 Stability so I have the second option unlocked – and it's been more than a 1000 days since the start of the Peasants' War! And there are no rebels alive at this very moment!

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Yes yes yes!

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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED! It's 23 October 1530, the bloody peasants are gone and glorious Commonwealth emerges from the struggle unscathed! Well, almost unscathed. Mostly. With a moderate amount of damage. A lot of damaged, to be honest. Actually, I barely survived it – if it was to last for a few more years it could end really badly. I have no manpower and a massive debt, which means that the postponed war with Muscowy may be more of a challenge than expected.

On the other hand,I have a very decent king and I'm Protestant now, aka known as the best Christian denomination in game. Which BTW is kinda weird – why Catholics have -1 tolerance but Protestants don't? If this malus is because Catholic Church is exclusive and intolerant shouldn't all Protestants have +1 revolt risk because of witch-hunting or something like this? I sense some bias here – is it because Sweden is Protestant?

But it is of no concern. The Peasants' War is no more, so we can get back to my pastime – liberating Russia from Muscovite oppression.

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That's it for now, folks! “Pro Fide” returns soon with another update, this time dedicated to – you guessed it – yet another war with Muscowy. Gonna kill that Bear sooner or later and I would prefer sooner. Or maybe I will vassalize them, as someone suggested. Either way, for Poland PLC to prosper, Russia Muscowy must be weak and stay away from both expanding into Siberia and Ukraine Ruthenia – with strong NATO Hapsburg allies it should be easily accomplished. Err... You know what I mean.

Ahem.
 
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Nice job defeating the peasants.
 

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Can't believe we wasted 7 years for that. Those damn peasants should be ashamed of themselves. Why can't they use diplomacy like civilized people? Oh right, they're peasants. Now that we got the minor inconvenience out of the way, PLC can renew its conquest liberation in Russian territory.
 

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Democracy? Not in my Republic!

That threw me laughing out of my chair. And that is a lot of protestantism in the last picture. I can't remember to ever see that much protestant countries in any of my games. And when austria converts, many other parts of the HRE might even follow.
 

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Keep up the good work.

By the way, does this Poland have ambitions to colonize the New World and Africa?
 

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This is excellent, I'm learning a lot about RL Polish-Lithuanian history as well as how to do a Poland game - my first ever full EU4 game was as Poland, and I did plenty of things that in retrospect were stupid and counter-productive.

Also, that was a rough peasant war. Those loans are crazy. How are you in any state to have another go at Muscowy? Always nice to see such a widespread Reformation though, especially Protestant Austria!
 

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Nice that one of the last things you did as a Catholic country was to get the King of France excommunicated, simply because you could. Then promptly converting to Protestantism. :)

The Peasants' War event sounds like a brutal experience. I haven't played enough to run into one of those, and I'm glad for it. It can't have been much fun to play through those years.
 

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Good work surviving that mess.
 

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Peasant Wars can be nasty, if you unlucky. I had my first one in a recent game as Kazan. A heavy war had wrecked my manpower and the war started (Rebels!). Then my Khan died and I got a succession crisis with pretenders popping up (more Rebels!). Then Muscovy declared war on me (Russians!). Me? Bitter? Nooooo.
But good to see, that you have won yours ;).
 

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Sorry for answering so late but you know, finale of "This Is Madness" and new thread for "This Is Madness 2" took a lot of my time.

Nice job defeating the peasants.
Thanks!
Can't believe we wasted 7 years for that. Those damn peasants should be ashamed of themselves. Why can't they use diplomacy like civilized people? Oh right, they're peasants. Now that we got the minor inconvenience out of the way, PLC can renew its conquest liberation in Russian territory.
Exactly. Bloody peasant rebels, always... rebelling. And peasanting. Is this even a word? I don't care because I'm about to roflstomp some Muscovites. Free Russia from Russians!
That threw me laughing out of my chair. And that is a lot of protestantism in the last picture. I can't remember to ever see that much protestant countries in any of my games. And when austria converts, many other parts of the HRE might even follow.
Laughter as a reaction to my AAR is a nice change after all this grimdark in TIM - I'm glad you liked it!
Yes, this is quite a powerful Reformation. Not that I care really - with +3 heretic tolerance as long as my subjects are Christians, I'm fine with them. But Austria converting was very fortunate, I wouldn't want to lose my Western Arms Trade bonus.
ugh that was the nastiest piece of work i've ever seen good luck against the bear man!
The Bear shall be destroyed - or at least enslaved.
Greatly entertaining.
Keep up the good work.

By the way, does this Poland have ambitions to colonize the New World and Africa?
Thanks guys!

I don't think so... but on the other hand it would be a splendid occasion to talk about real life PLC/Poland attempts at colonization, so I won't say no.
Hm, your PLC is blobbing suspiciously like the AI poland in my current game. As an added bonus, I'm playing byzantium Basilia ton Romaion, though there are considerably fewer aztecs in my game.
Good Aztec is a dead Aztec. Well, expanding to the east is a no-brainer even for AI it seems.
This is excellent, I'm learning a lot about RL Polish-Lithuanian history as well as how to do a Poland game - my first ever full EU4 game was as Poland, and I did plenty of things that in retrospect were stupid and counter-productive.

Also, that was a rough peasant war. Those loans are crazy. How are you in any state to have another go at Muscowy? Always nice to see such a widespread Reformation though, especially Protestant Austria!
Thank you very much, I'm really glad that you are finding this AAR informative and encouraging to take a closer look at PLC's history :)
During my first playthrough as Poland (first game in EU4) I was horribly beaten by Russia, which I allowed to grow unopposed; they forced me to release Ukraine and as soon as the war ended both Prussia and Ottomans DOWed me. A shamefur dispray - though I learned a lot since these days.
Anyways, these loans are going to be a pain - effectively damned peasants forced me to stop conquest for 20 years. Such a waste of time...
Nice that one of the last things you did as a Catholic country was to get the King of France excommunicated, simply because you could. Then promptly converting to Protestantism. :)
The Peasants' War event sounds like a brutal experience. I haven't played enough to run into one of those, and I'm glad for it. It can't have been much fun to play through those years.
Good work surviving that mess.
Peasant Wars can be nasty, if you unlucky. I had my first one in a recent game as Kazan. A heavy war had wrecked my manpower and the war started (Rebels!). Then my Khan died and I got a succession crisis with pretenders popping up (more Rebels!). Then Muscovy declared war on me (Russians!). Me? Bitter? Nooooo.
But good to see, that you have won yours ;).
Thanks! We all despise BBB ;)
This was nothing - when I got Peasants' War as Ming I literally imploded. I don't wish anyone to go through this, it's as much fun as getting 1/1/1 ruler plus regency for 14 years.
The Peasant's war was a good warmup for the Royal Struggle, the aforementioned AI Poland shattered pretty much completely from that.
Perhaps but this Commonwealth is going to survive everything - or at least I hope so, because I really would like to talk about Poland and Napoleon, which means I have to survive until the very end of the game.
 

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I've just realized that "Art of War" is going to break my Ironman campaign as PLC. Does anyone know whether Paradox confirmed that we will get option to stay in current version of EU4 (by selecting "beta" on Steam)?
 

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I've just realized that "Art of War" is going to break my Ironman campaign as PLC. Does anyone know whether Paradox confirmed that we will get option to stay in current version of EU4 (by selecting "beta" on Steam)?

As we have done with previous patches, we will leave the old version up as a 'steam beta', and if you opt into that steam beta you will be able to play 1.7.3. If you don't opt into it, your game will be updated as normally. It's possible to switch between them whenever you like, though you'll have to download a bunch of stuff each time.

I'm really enjoying this AAR. Please don't let it die just because of a silly thing like a game-breaking patch :p
 

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So it was confirmed - wonderful :)
I'm really enjoying this AAR. Please don't let it die just because of a silly thing like a game-breaking patch :p
It ain't gonna happen; I lost AAR once to a bug and since then I always make backup saves, so the only issue is 1.7.3 Steam beta and since it'll be provided there's nothing which can stop me ;)