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[Josephus I]

Welcome back Per Honeste. Make sure you vote

Pers, I encourage you all to read the latest issue of the Weekly Standard. It makes some interesting observations, ones that we may want to persue after the election.


Josephus

 

[Bramarius]

Everyone, please make sure you add Jonathan Glasser as your second choice for president! Should Josephus not win, all our votes MUST count for Glasser, if not, we'll have another right-wing term. which is... rather undesireable.


BB

 

[Josephus I]

Everyone, please make sure you add Jonathan Glasser as your second choice for president! Should Josephus not win, all our votes MUST count for Glasser, if not, we'll have another right-wing term. which is... rather undesireable.


BB

Agree with Per Borgman. I hope Glasser's supporters think the same way.

BTW, feel free to start campaigning all of you.

Josephus

 

[Dunderdon]

We are not a Communist Party. We certainly are not Stalinists. We may be aware of the theoretical teachings of Marx and Lenin but our view is to apply these teachings within the framework of a democratic/ capitalist society.

We do not seek to seize private property. We do not seek to confiscate the homes you work so hard to pay for. We do not seek to steal the business you started up and nurtured into the success it is. We do not seek to stifle ambition, hard work and private enterprise.

Why not?

They label us communists anyway...
They will probably prepare armed uprising anyway, if we are in the government.

I understand that we are not stalinists and do not want to seize homes..
But if we want to reach the class free society then there will be no way around seizing companies.

Just to inform you: companies are certainly not the result of hard work. If it was, then Bill Gates worked a few trillion times harder than a chilese miner. hahaha. The only way of getting a big company is letting others work for you and pay them less than they benefit you. I believe that it is ok to seize that kind of work.

Within the capitalist framework, our achievement can not be lasting and can not bring justice, as it will still be capitalism.

 

[Josephus I]

Why not?

They label us communists anyway...
They will probably prepare armed uprising anyway, if we are in the government.

I understand that we are not stalinists and do not want to seize homes..
But if we want to reach the class free society then there will be no way around seizing companies.

Just to inform you: companies are certainly not the result of hard work. If it was, then Bill Gates worked a few trillion times harder than a chilese miner. hahaha. The only way of getting a big company is letting others work for you and pay them less than they benefit you. I believe that it is ok to seize that kind of work.

Within the capitalist framework, our achievement can not be lasting and can not bring justice, as it will still be capitalism.

Zuba. I was mostly talking to owners of small business...notice that I attacked big business "corporations" later in my speech, emphasizing "they too will get taken care of."

I have no fight against owners of small businesses; restaurants, shops, bakeries, etc.

I do have a fight against "big business".

Zuba. We will never win any elections if we label ourselves "communist" and our party was never truly a "communist" party. I have always talked about the longterm. We can't achieve revolution overnight. We need society to evolve.

In the meantime we have to accept the capitalist system and change it from within, by democratizing the workplace; making it a safe, healthy environment.

If we claim to represent the workers, we have to realize that our "workers" mostly work in capitalist-run enterprises who need our support in the here and now and not in a theoretical environment.

We stand to alienate them if we talk about seizing the means of production, when they know it will not happen.

We need to help them now by defending their causes and their rights.

We need to start moving away from the theoretical to the practical. To do so, we need to gain the trust of those who wish to support us.

Josephus

 

[Josephus I]

Don't forget to vote, if you haven't yet already, guys.

Josephus

 

[Liep]

I voted!

And the new deadline is the 14th.

 

[Dunderdon]

Josephus, why did you put the terrible "president and his friends stand above the law" - amendment to vote?

Its the worst at all, and those idiots even agreed! how terrible!
If they kill my wife I can not even have then put into prison!

 

[Bramarius]

Josephus is obviously too unexperienced to know all the stalling-tricks.

 

[Josephus I]

Don't worry Zuba...it's a Constitutional amendment and will require 6 votes to pass. I have a feeling that may not happen.

In any case, our first job next term will be to call for an outright ban on the death penalty; thus making it moot.

Josephus

 

[Bramarius]

Geez... can you believe it? I actually made it into the Assembly

 

[Liep]

Congrats on the seats.

 

[Josephus I]

Josephus address his Party members, his nose bandaged and sounding rather nasely

Friends, brothers.

This is a great victory for us. The people have finally given us a mandate to govern. We are the largest Party in the National Assembly. We will make good use of this power. We will not let our constituents down. I want to congratulate each and every one of you.

Feel free to apply for minsitry positions, if you chose, with Dr. Glasser. He owes us.

Congratulations.

Josephus Locke Sergei

 

[Bramarius]

Josephus address his Party members, his nose bandaged and sounding rather nasely

Friends, brothers.

This is a great victory for us. The people have finally given us a mandate to govern. We are the largest Party in the National Assembly. We will make good use of this power. We will not let our constituents down. I want to congratulate each and every one of you.

Feel free to apply for minsitry positions, if you chose, with Dr. Glasser. He owes us.

Congratulations.

Josephus Locke Sergei

And who will we field as a candidate in the speaker election? Do you wat another go at it, comerade Josephus?

Btw, what happened to you? You look awful. Had a fight or something?


BB

 

[Josephus I]

Yeah, let's not talk about my nose....a bit of a run in with liquor and fascist monarchist supporters...the things I do for the cause.

Re: the speakership. Up to you Bram. If you want it, let me know. It would mean that myself and then Zuba will have to officially withdraw, as per the rules.

Josephus

 

[Dunderdon]

This is a great victory for us, but a sad one. Only 47% of the votes were cast, had we not won, I would say that we should repeat the election immediately

Seriously, i'd approch the president and the national assembly and ask them if they could not repeat the election, together with the request for every party to show up with a program and the event of a confrontation, where every party will send one person to a live [ooc:IRC] conference, that will be moderated by the CRO and published in the national newspaper.

(we could also suggest it for next term, but i believe we should do it now because it shows that our concern for a higher quote of voters is not just because it serves our interest.)

By the way, do we have a position of a person to coordinate parlamentarian work in the fraction? If so, I'd like to apply for it, as I think it might be useful as we have three people now

Dunderdon

 

[Dunderdon]

The low turnout leads me to an other question. Did anyone vote for us except party members? the DA? the SDP?

 

[Josephus I]

Zuba. You're welcome to the position of inter-party co-ordinator. Take some of the load off my back.

President Glasser should be a good man to work with as well.

Regarding the low voter turnout and our strong showing. I believe what happened is this. Supporters of the left, who previously were split between us and the DA had no REAL alternative this time besides us. The CRP with people like O'Floinin and Streusser are more centre-right, despite Glasser, who traditionally has been centre-left.

But people still believe in Glasser, which is why I think in the presidential election he did well and I didn't do so hot.

Josephus

 

[Bramarius]

I was thinking, we DESERVE to have the MDIA, since we 'helped' Glasser a lot. Personally, I'm not really keen on a new ministry post, so would anyone (Josephus? Zuba? Someone else?) want it?

As for the speakership: Who of us has the best chance of winning it? Although I might want it, I'm not that sure I would win.

Also, note that ministers may not become speaker



BB

 

[Josephus I]

I was thinking, we DESERVE to have the MDIA, since we 'helped' Glasser a lot. Personally, I'm not really keen on a new ministry post, so would anyone (Josephus? Zuba? Someone else?) want it?

As for the speakership: Who of us has the best chance of winning it? Although I might want it, I'm not that sure I would win.

Also, note that ministers may not become speaker



BB

Comrades,

I think Glasser has his eyes on another candidate for MDIA; but there is MECT.

I would take MECT BUT I do not want the Party to lose its three seats. Is it still the case that a Minister can't be an NA?

If that's the case, then I would only take MECT, if either McCone, Bill or Honeste are willing to commit to the third NA seat. Having that third seat is more important, IMO, then MECT.

So, before I can agree to MECT, I need one of McCone, Bill or Honeste to agree to the seat. I can adjust our CRO List accordingly.

Regarding the Speakers role, Bram, I'm willing to offer our claim to you; but we need Zuba to relinquish it as well (preferably ASAP) because he is second in the Party's standing.

Comrades, please respond ASAP.

Josephus