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OK. Good to hear all your comments. We'll wait and see if we even get the offer from the RD.

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OK comrades. Burning the midnight oil here. Things are moving swiftly.


It's still theoretical at this juncture. But I need to know where we stand. I know some have voiced an opinion but I need to make it official.

So, I'm asking for a vote. A simple Yeah or Nay. No abstentions please.

If the RD fields a presidential candidate AND if the MP SUPPORTS that candidate DOES the ESRP agree to ALSO support the RD candidate if we get our fair share of executive power? It's not exactly a coalitiion like the CPR...but it's a reasonable facsimilie.

There are five of you. Please vote. I'll go with the majority. There's no right or wrong...I want your true opinion. Bill, you've been quiet. Please vote. I need an answer ASAP.

Thanks

Josephus I

On a side note, Capt. Tretiakov...there's a new bill being proposed in parliament about military reform. I'd like you to tell us what you think of it.
 

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Nay to the RD-MP question, I've already explained my here.

As for military reform bill - well, I'm not too crazy about it, to say the least. I can repeat what I said during the leftist convention...

Originally posted by IDiO
A tiny little remark from my side on military aquisitions you're proposing. Those who read "The Soldier" know that I have a little bit different idea of good military equipment than stated over here.

The mission of the army is and has always been to throw any and all invaders back into the sea.
This is supposed to be done with having 3 army corps where the 2 infantry corps stay in areas designated them around the coast where they can be set in to delay the attacker until the armoured corps can get there to go for the kill so to speak.

First of all - throwing the invaders back in the sea would be rather hard, or at least harder than just not letting them land, by using modern naval and air forces. It is great to be an island, at least from a defensive point of view. Great Britain was able to hold Germans out for the whole World War 2, using advantage in this two factors, while losing pathetically in ground warfare.

I'm not saying that we do not need any ground forces - that would be madness, but their defensive role would be, so to say, rather limited.

Most important part of our ground forces should be air defence and coast defence. The rest is not that important.

Let me begin with saying that our Navy won't be sunk on day on of a war. The Navy has still got some punch left. Not much but still some. This is a prelimary report I've written. A better and more detailed report will follow.

Depends on who would we fight against. Should it be USA, than it is not even one full day.

I propose we build:

1 Wasp class and
1 or 2 Rotterdam class vessels.

I also suggest the ENDTech comes up with a design for a new minehunting vessel.

Good Idea.

I think it would be more cost effectice to have a airforce mainly consisting of F-16's with a few squandrons of F/A-18's, the F-16 is arguably the worlds most importand current fighter, its in widespread service around the world.

So?.. MiG-21 is most widely used airplane in the world, would you propose us to buy this piece of crap, though? F-16 is fighter-bomber of the past, we need to move on to the future. F/A-18 is good, but extremely expensive, so are EF-2000 and Raphaele.

While anyway, we're banned from trade with US and EU, so what do we do?

*keeps silence for a several seconds, than hits the table with his fist*

We say "screw tham" and move on to another market!!!

I sugest around; (Rough est)
42 F/A-18's
92 F-16's,
2 Boeing E-3A Sentrys,

While I suggest...

120/150 Su-30 (depends on a carriers)
0/30 Su-33 (if we need a carrier after all)
2 A-50 AW&C
2 or 3 air tankers of some kind (there are tonns of them over the world and all of them are basically similar).

Thanks for your attention.

*sits down*

It's sad that I could not have any input in the work of the comission and I think this bill really is basically just a waste of money in the long term...

F-16 problem is the one that kills me the most. F/A-18 is an extremely exciting plane and if US sells it, I'll be first to commend a great purchase. F-16 though... It is distant past. Eather we get all F-18s (veeeery expensive) or settle on not really worse and multiple times cheaper Su-30.

As for the rest - Naval plan sounds great and ground force is not really bothering me, since it is not one of vital importance to the island nation.
 

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Originally posted by Josephus I


So, I'm asking for a vote. A simple Yeah or Nay. No abstentions please.


There are five of you. Please vote. I'll go with the majority.

Question: why cant we abstain, while you can?
 

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a firm yeah. Any coalition will do. I'll even go to bed with the devil to have power and crush the fascist menace!
 

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OK. Motion carries 4-2. If we are approached to support the RD president --regardless of any deal they have with the MP-- we support them.

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hmm, looking at RD's platform, they're definetely much closer to us than MP. Normally we shoudn't have any major problems with allying them (God, we're almost the same thing!). What the hell are they looking for with MP? :mad:
 

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Igor.

Of course. The RD are about as left of centre (at least on paper) as you coulb be...they just know enough not to put the word "Sociailst" in their party name. The MP, are (on paper) a moderate party, in reality they've been moving to the right of Atilla the Hun. They just know enough not to put the word "Socialist" in their name as in "national socialist party"

We would always chose the RD as our allies. And historically they have been. The discussion we've been having is whether to join a coaliton with the MP AND the RD. Never the MP alone.

In any case I have a strong feeling it isn't going to happen. I believe the MP will ally with the right and the EPP. If this happens, the RD would then have to chose between them and us. I'm hoping they chose correctly.

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One person we have to watch out for is Jake Langley. I made comments in the past to an interviewer that Jake is the shrewdest politician in Eutopia. As a politiican I respect him a lot.

He started a party that no one joined, managed to merge it with another right wing party and formed the Conservative Coalition which he led for awhile.

Now, he leaves the CC, forms another fringe wacko party, is joined by only one other person but will probably succeed in forming a coalition and possibly becoming president.

The people fall for his smooth talking arrogance. If his coalition comes to be, we may need to switch tactics and start campaigning strongly against him; now that O' Flonin's just about finished.

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Guys...you should all have PMs awaiting you this morning....

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Originally posted by Josephus I
One person we have to watch out for is Jake Langley. I made comments in the past to an interviewer that Jake is the shrewdest politician in Eutopia. As a politiican I respect him a lot.

He started a party that no one joined, managed to merge it with another right wing party and formed the Conservative Coalition which he led for awhile.

Now, he leaves the CC, forms another fringe wacko party, is joined by only one other person but will probably succeed in forming a coalition and possibly becoming president.

The people fall for his smooth talking arrogance. If his coalition comes to be, we may need to switch tactics and start campaigning strongly against him; now that O' Flonin's just about finished.

Josephus I

OOC: You don't know how happy it makes me to read this. :D :D :D :D
 

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