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Loic, hearing of the closures of all the ENDZone stores, and the layoffs at ENDTech headquarters of marketing, sales and ENDZone operations mangers and staff, begins making some phone calls.

He drafts an ad and sends it to local papers in NeuWestbaden and other cities with ENDZone stores.
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After send out the ads, he resumes his calls, find the names of the managers of the local ENDZone stores from various sources and then calling them at home, to offer them help and find out more about how they had been treated. Any that he gets through to he also asks about other employees in the same stores, and their collegues in headquarters or operations.
 

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Loic also calls the labour unions, to find out if any of their members were affected by the layoffs at ENDTech and ENDZone, to find out what their plans are and to get the names of those impacted. He also asks if that union represents any other ENDTech employees.
 

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To all current and former ENDTech and ENDZone employees. Your class action complaint is being prepared and will be filed shortly. If you have not already joined this suit, you can still do so.
 

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Josephus walks in, incognito, dressed as a business man with dark sunglasses, a suit, and even a briefcase.

Good evening, sir.

I need some help. I've got no lawyer and no legal background whatsoever.

I want to put pressure on the High Court to act in the scarf banning thingie. I know I need to file something with the AG. How do I go about this?

Thanks

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Josephus I said:
I want to put pressure on the High Court to act in the scarf banning thingie. I know I need to file something with the AG. How do I go about this?

Thanks

Josephus
Thanks for your enquiry. The first step would be to find a suitable potential plantiff, namely someone who regularly attended the schools in Nouvelle Acquitaine wearing a headscarf, and had an otherwise good disciplinary record. I guess you are most likely to find this in Hurteau, in the 'Saharan Quarter'. She would have need to have tried to wear a headscarf to school since the ban was announced, or could do so in the near future. The school would have had to have acted in some fashion to enforce the ban, whether sending the student home, or physically attempting to remove the headscarf. If they merely told her to remove it, she should decline on religious grounds, and see how they escalated the matter. It would be helpful if her father accompanied her and someone was filming it on a camcorder, but if not, as long as there are witnesses or a perhaps a letter they sent home with her, that would suffice. She, or rather her guardian(s), would have to be willing to file a complaint, knowing that this would mean hardships in terms of lost privacy, hounding by the media, potential hate mail / death threats, and some risk that actual violence would be attempted against her and family. It would therefore be better if they had a somewhat secure location to live in during the process, and that the father didn't have a business that could be the target for potential retribution. I would say the ideal would be a civil servant who might be able to take a leave of absence, or perhaps simply if they were unemployed. The cost of keeping the family safe during the proceedings could well be higher than the legal bills.

I imagine that if you represent any kind of organization, it should be relatively easy to find someone that fits the above description, but would they be willing to expose themselves to the probably hardships? (OOC: As it involves a NPC, you will have to get approval from a mod.) I am not in a position to conduct that search myself, as the rewards in this case would not seem to be monetary, I cannot afford to take time away from business for a search to dig up a non-renumerative case. Once you have located a suitable plantiff, I would be willing to represent them, on a time and expenses basis. I have not built up that extensive a practice yet, so my rates are reasonable, by legal standards. I am unaware of what organization you represent, or whether it might wish to fund the work on such a case, but if not, perhaps the TIO (Topan Islamic Organization) might be willing to contribute.

I would then file suit on behalf of the plantiff. As it is a constitutional matter, involving conflict between a provincial power (education) and the right of religious expression granted in the charter of rights portion of the constitution, it would have to go to the High Court sooner or later, so hopefully the Attorney General would vet it to go there directly. Based on his comments in the townhall and on his TV show, it seems like he would, but there are no guarantees. Likewise, there are no guarantees concerning the decision of the High Court. Such a case would have merit, but when there is a conflict between two parts of the constitution, the outcome is never certain.

You might find some other attorney that would be willing to take a more abstract approach to this case, suing just about the principle, without a specific plantiff or incident, but there would be risk that the case would be thrown out for lacking proper standing to sue. That would only encourage others to act the restaurants that refused service to patrons in headscarves, which led to at least four deaths. I would not want any similar deaths on my conscience, so I would like to bring as strong a case as possible. The little girl who is willing to come forward may one day be as famous as Rosa Parkes is the United States, but that will be scant comfort when she and her family are enduring the hardships that would undoubtedly accompany this struggle.

Initial consultations like this are always free. I could answer any questions you might have, or if not, please let me know if you find a suitable girl who is willing to act as test case, and the financial backing to see us through the process. And if there is any other way our firm could be of service, please let me know.
 

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Josephus frowns.

WOW. That's a lot of work.

Let's set aside the plaintiff, for a moment.

Everyone agrees that the provincial school board decision is unconstitutional. Even if there is no plaintiff, isn't it enough to tell the High Court to overrule this ruling on constitutional grounds? Does there need to be a victim?I can easily manipulate, er, find, a "victim", and let's just say I do have connections to an organization that can cover all you say. But for the sake of argument, why is a victim necessary? Why can't the High Court simply rule that this ruling in question is unconstitutional and should be revoked?

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Josephus frowns.

WOW. That's a lot of work.

Let's set aside the plaintiff, for a moment.

Everyone agrees that the provincial school board decision is unconstitutional. Even if there is no plaintiff, isn't it enough to tell the High Court to overrule this ruling on constitutional grounds? Does there need to be a victim?I can easily manipulate, er, find, a "victim", and let's just say I do have connections to an organization that can cover all you say. But for the sake of argument, why is a victim necessary? Why can't the High Court simply rule that this ruling in question is unconstitutional and should be revoked?

Josephus
Oh, you want a petition for a judicial review, without a lawyer to present the case, except for what can be squeezed in to a petition, and no identifiable victim with which the judges can make an emotional bond. That would be quicker but far less sure. I would not recommend that, and for the reason I mentioned before, in case it went wrong, I would not do it myself. But you could try it yourself, plenty of politicians without legal training have done so before, so how hard could it be? Just copy down the relevant bits of the consititution and hope for the best. It will be the Attorney General who will determine who summarizes the arguments for the court. Good Luck!
 
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Loic de Fourgéres helps one of the plantiffs prepare to testify for the class action suit against ENDTech.

"We don't know when the trial might be, or whether you will give your evidence in a deposition or in the courtroom. I have read over the information you provided our researcher, and so now I will go over the questions I plan to ask you, then later one of the other lawyers on the team will pretend to be a defense attorney and will let you have some practice being cross examined."

"After you have been sworn in and take your seat, I will begin asking questions. Concentrate on just answering the question. I will make sure your story comes out through the testimony. Your answers need to be heard, so speak up but don't shout, although there may be a microphone. Here a the questions I plan to ask."

"Ms. Annie Oakleaf, how long did you work for ENDTech or ENDZone stores?"

"Since term six? And what did you do before then?"

"You must be very proud to have won all those shooting medals and to have repesented our country. Was there any connection to the work you did for ENDTech?"

"So after you gave a demonstration at a ENDZone store, a shooting range, gun club, or sporting venue, would there be lots of orders placed for ENDTech products?"

"Do you know why ENDTech didn't keep you on, to give demonstrations just at the other locations, and fill the orders by mail?"

"Was the reason you couldn't suggest it anyone in the company because all the people you knew were let go, sent home immediately, and when you called the HQ, the same was true of the whole marketing department?"

"Thank-you Ms. Oakleaf, I think that went well. We can try it again if you like, or if not, we can try the mock cross-examination if you have time."
 

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Loic de Fourgéres meets with an anonymous member of the personnel department of ENDTech.
"Thank-you for meeting with me and providing this background information. I understand perfectly that you are not willing to testify for fear of reprisals, but want to help your friends that were let go. It is a shame there is not a good whistle-blower law here like there is in the US, that would protect you and allow others to come forward to make sure wrongs like this are exposed."
Loic points to a section of the minutes from the meeting at which the layoffs were announced.
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. I am General Levarge, temporary director of ENDTech. I will be brief and I will be blunt. ENDTech has failed. It has failed the government and the military of Eutopia. And all of you are a part of this failure.

As a serving military officer, I have too long been at the receiving end of your failures. Every dollar ENDTech wasted cost my men bullets and beans. No longer!
"Thank you for providing this, we will be able to get an official copy for the trial through the pre-trail discovery process. The words are blunt enough, but could you let me how they were delivered and what impact they had on the group?"
Loic pauses to allow the source to relate the tone and impact.
"So everyone was frightened of him, especially after he announced the firings, ordered security to escort them away without even allowing them to return to their desks, and said the company would provide no support for those being investigated later? So when he gave instructions that severance be only two weeks," Loic points to another part of the minutes.
Take the opportunity to give the dead wood two weeks.
"...no one in the personnel department dared tell him that company policy for severence, excluding dissmal for cause, was one month per year of service? It reminds me a bit about the story of Henry II of England muttering 'Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?' about Thomas a Beckett and having four knights interpret as an order for execution, not merely a lament."

"I heard initially that there was some effort to place some of the displaced people in other divisions, but then, after a phone call with the MDIS, he order that process stopped, that everyone in those areas be terminated, but that they could apply for new positions in other areas. Do I understand it correctly that this meant that those who were rehired in manufacturing and research lost their seniority and any unvested pension benefit credits? This has been most helpful. Thanks for your assistance."
 

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The disgruntled former employess cheer this news and file out of the office. Some union representatives remain behind and look troubled.

"Per de Fourgéres? We're from the Eutopian Congress of Labor. We generally represent members who are in need of reduced price counsel. While we cheer your efforts here, we've heard some, well, rather disturbing rumors about some claims you've made. We're not hear to interfere or try to horn in on your business, but, well, exactly how much research have you done on our labor laws?"


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Some union representatives remain behind and look troubled.

"Per de Fourgéres? We're from the Eutopian Congress of Labor. We generally represent members who are in need of reduced price counsel. While we cheer your efforts here, we've heard some, well, rather disturbing rumors about some claims you've made. We're not hear to interfere or try to horn in on your business, but, well, exactly how much research have you done on our labor laws?"


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"The ECL, yes, there was something I wanted to ask you about as well, but you spoke up first, and so the floor is yours. Gentlemen, Ladies, lets go into the conference room. I'll ask an aide to rustle us up some coffee, tea, and sandwiches, and you can tell me what's on your minds. Were you talking about claims in the Senate campaign, claims in the class action suit against ENDTech, my family's old land claims, or something else?"
 

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Mr. de Fourgéres.

Assuming I can get a plaintiff to lodge a complaint against the head scarf ban. And assuming we can get the cash we need.

A) Would you be able to take the case for us?

B)What exactly do we do, to give us the best odds of winning based on the High Court's ruling? Is the onus on the plaintiff or on the school? I'd like to hear your thoughts, and am willing to pay for your time this time.

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Mr. de Fourgéres.

Assuming I can get a plaintiff to lodge a complaint against the head scarf ban. And assuming we can get the cash we need.

A) Would you be able to take the case for us?

B)What exactly do we do, to give us the best odds of winning based on the High Court's ruling? Is the onus on the plaintiff or on the school? I'd like to hear your thoughts, and am willing to pay for your time this time.

Josephus
Per Locke,

I saw the court ruling on your joint petition with Per Al-Adalusi. I understand it wasn't the instant gratification that you were seeking, but neither was it an outright rejection. The High Court practically laid out a road map for this next step that you are investigating. To answer your questions:

A) Yes I could take the case for you. The other major case I have pending, the class action suit against ENDTech is stalled awaiting the Attorney General's action on the request to bring it before the Federal Tribunal, so I have the time that would be needed to be devoted to your case presently. It is the kind of case I take (civil, not criminal). You may want to try to find a more experienced lawyer, like Hawkton Tilly, but I am not sure whether his government duties would prevent him from taking the case. His firm did take the Charlize Xavier case, so it might be a possibility. Also, you should know that the AG and I have had some scuffles in the past, originally dating to before I was a lawyer. It was, at the root a misunderstanding, but still my fault. I have apologized, but that doesn't seem to have thawed his attitude to me yet, or helped get my cases moving through his office. However, as he seems quite anxious to get the headscarf matter reviewed, that might not be an issue in this case. Perhaps, you might want to sound him out on this privately?

B) The case can initially be tried in a Nouvelle Acquitaine provincial court, before the Federal Tribunal, or the High Court. If it goes before one of the first two, it would almost assuredly be appealed to the high court, so it would be quicker and less expensive to try to take it there directly. If we went to a Nouvelle Acquitaine provincial court, we would likely be defeated, unless the judge has a grudge against the educators. If we went to the Federal Tribunal, then it is primarily the AG who would hand down the judgement. Given his earlier argument to the high court, he would seem to be favorably disposed, so that venue would give us the best chance of an initial favorable ruling. Having that, it would be up to the province to appeal, and so if the High Court didn't see any reason to intervene, then you would have won. Accordingly, I would suggest going to the Federal Tribunal first, but again, if you can find out privately from the AG whether he would prefer it go directly to the High Court, it would be appreciated.
 

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Thank you. I'll talk to Per O'Floinn. Him and I aren't dating buddies or anything either, but I think his heart is in the right place on this one...plus I have never known O'Floinn to let his personal feuds effect his profession. So, I'll take your advice to him.

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On second thoughts....

...I like the option of going to a Federal Tribunal, since you think we stand a good chance. However, I don't think we should get Per O'Floinn's advice first, or even sound him out. This will put him in a tough spot. If he, as the AG, rules in a Federal Tribunal, then advising us on how to proceed presents a conflict of interest, wouldn't you say?

...Despite what O'Floinn may think of us personally, I am convinced he will act professionaly in this matter.

...So. Where do we go from here. Can you draft a legal thing-a-ma-jiggie to launch a case with the Federal Tribunal.

...Our plaintiff is Sidura Hussein, of 1195 Glen Street, Hurteau. She is the mother of Waheeda Hussein, a minor, who was forcibly removed from school due to wearing the head scarf.

Josephus
 

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Per de Fourgéres.

I have considered my options, I wish to press charges upon the county of Nouvelle Acquitaine for causing massive damage to the Islamic community.I ask you, with all humble respect, to advice me to take the appropriate method to deal with the problem.
I have had enough of this , if they want to play it this way, I will press charges and drain Nouvelle for every penny they got to recompensate my fellow muslims.
So far, Mr Josephus hasnt informed me of any actions he may take, and I decided that it might be in my benefit to press charges under TIO representation.

Al-Andalusi
 

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Calipah said:
Per de Fourgéres.

I have considered my options, I wish to press charges upon the county of Nouvelle Acquitaine for causing massive damage to the Islamic community.I ask you, with all humble respect, to advice me to take the appropriate method to deal with the problem.
I have had enough of this , if they want to play it this way, I will press charges and drain Nouvelle for every penny they got to recompensate my fellow muslims.
So far, Mr Josephus hasnt informed me of any actions he may take, and I decided that it might be in my benefit to press charges under TIO representation.

Al-Andalusi
Loic checks his messages while away in Nouvelle Acquitaine and responds to one.

Per Al-Andalusi

I'm sorry I wasn't in the office to speak with you personally. I had understood you were working with Josephus on this. He provided me a name and address of a potential plantiff, who I travelling to meet at this time. He had agreed to cover the legal costs, so I thought that your organization might be sharing that expense, but of course I have direct claim on you if Josephus doesn't pay his bills.

Given the court ruling, the best way to go ahead is to find someone who has been denied education for attempting to wear a headscarf to school. One example is a good as a thousand, as it will serve as a test case of whether the headscarf ban is necessary or not. If it is not necessary, then the high court ruling would mean that it would struck down. The potential plantiff is a person who has "standing", a reason to sue. People or organizations in general do not, so I cannot just press charges on behalf of the you or the TIO. If the potential client that Josephus indicated changes their mind, then you could perhaps suggest someone else who has been denied education for wearing a headscarf who might want to sue, and for which your organization would bear the legal costs. In addition to the legal costs, it would be a good idea to provide a safe house for the family of the plantiff, as they will be extremely unpopular in Nouvelle Acquitaine when the case is filed.

Regards,