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i would have more support for the cpr at this point but it is slowly turning into a "destroy the evil right thinkers" instead of a governing body. while an alternate right party is a novel idea i dont like the fact that the cpr wants it only to weaken the CC not so it has a voice of the right to work with:(
 

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Who can argue against Jobs, economic prosperity and better living conditions?????

If the new alliance lives up to this agenda, it can count on my support.
 

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Originally posted by jacob-Lundgren
i would have more support for the cpr at this point but it is slowly turning into a "destroy the evil right thinkers" instead of a governing body. while an alternate right party is a novel idea i dont like the fact that the cpr wants it only to weaken the CC not so it has a voice of the right to work with:(

I think you're misinterpreting this. We're not "out to destroy the right wing thought"...we're against the loonies who just so happen to be right wing. We would really like to have a party of reasonable conservatives, such as yourself and, in my opinion, Jake Langley, who could work with others. There is nothing here against the right, only against specific unreasonable members thereof.

And Jack, I think you have a good idea there. I'll stick with that.
 

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economic security is important but i place life above property myself and think a basic anti-terrorist bill should be fast-paced through parliament and while that process is going on we work here on the economy.
 

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It's too bad no further work has been done on anti-terrorism legislation. No one has ever responded to a proposal to define terrorism and the commission is now as good as dead.

I think it's good to leave the initiative with the right for a while. The CC and the CRE might reach a conclusive stage of negotiations well before the elections, giving the CPR time and an opportunity to counter the right or cooperate with it. In this case, when I say the right, I mean the parties uninvolved with the CPR.

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regarding the airport construction proposal, I think that we should at this stage make a clear distinction between expanding an existing airport, or building a completely new one from day 1. This includes environmental impact studies and financial considerations. That way, we ensure we can allways make the right choice between the two.
 
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Jacob,

I agree that national security SHOULD be a priority, but I do not know what else we can do. The Moderate Pary has supported military modernization, as have other CPR parties, but the process has been slow. It looks like we may have some MRC recommendations soon, but it's hard to tell.

In terms of anti-terrorism, Timothy is right. We have worked on this but it has gone nowhere. I am unsure what else we can do.

I know that I personally would support several steps to modernize our police force and improve our national security, but I don't know what else we can do. However I am open to other options. :)

Also, we are not trying to destroy the CC. Personally, as a moderate I think the right needs strong representation to counter a strong voice from the left (no offense, Josephus). In that dialogue I think we get the best solutions. However, in my mind anyway, the CC have thwarted us...even though WE agree with them on most issues.

I can't see much difference between what the coalition has worked on and the CC's stated priorities, other than the Homosexual Rights bill, sponsored by Hartwell's sister (OOC: or niece, cousin, whatver), and that was one that, with the exception of Colonel Haynes they HAD supported publically.

I only wish the CC would return to the days of Sean Galliough, you, Jean Passeportout, Judas Maccabeus, etc, when I considered joining them, but people like Jusleau, and at the time Langley, clearly scared me away.

I know that our allies on the left certainly don't want to see a strong revitalized conservative movement, but I think they've shown their willingness to work with the right on key issues, and can be counted on. We just agree to disagree sometimes. :)

Who knows? Maybe all of this will work out in the future, but in any case I am glad for your participation here and value your contributions.

Jack Teano
 

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Can we perhaps go ahead and craft our own anti-terrorism proposal, based on any work in the committee, and try to run it through parliament THIS session, rather than next?

Timothy, are you suggesting any changes to the airport bill, as written, or do you simply want to ensure that it is accurately described as an expansion and not a new airport? There WILL be a new terminal, and a new facility, but it will join an existing airport.
 

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it doesnt hurt to get A anti-terrotism bill in and get what we have passed.
 

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Does anyone want to take a stab at drafting one?

Timothy, you had done a lot of work on this when you were the MHA. Charles, you had a bill drafted.

Do the two of you want to work with Jacob and someone from the ESRP to put together something we can all agree on?
 

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About the Airport:

I was hoping that building a completely new airport remainded open to debate, even if our budget does not allow such extravagant expenses. But even if we are sure we can't afford a new airport, we should research the possibility of a new airport along with the expansion of the current airport to ensure we make the best choice between the two, and not dismiss one because we never discussed it.

For any intersted in an anti-terrorism bill, I suggest you head over to the Commission on terror prevention, prosecution and punishment
 

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Originally posted by Timothy
About the Airport:

I was hoping that building a completely new airport remainded open to debate, even if our budget does not allow such extravagant expenses. But even if we are sure we can't afford a new airport, we should research the possibility of a new airport along with the expansion of the current airport to ensure we make the best choice between the two, and not dismiss one because we never discussed it.

We can discuss a new airport. These are my ideas, but I am open to other viewpoints. I'll try to present the pros of each position.

I think expanding the existing airport may be best, however, for these reasons:

FOR EXPANSION

I think a new airport would be an unnecessary duplication of service and would be cost prohibitive. Expansion is expected to cost 2.1 billion. A new facility would cost much more.

The existing airport was singled out by Singapore Airlines and Korean Airlines as the place where they would like to locate their hubs. I am unsure if a new airport would REPLACE or CO-EXIST with the existing airport.

The existing airport should NOT be demolished, with a new airport built on the same site, because of the horrible impacts to our economy caused by NOT having an airport while the new one is being built. The current airport functions well and there is no real justifiable reason that I see for demolishing it.

Building another airport to CO-EXIST with the one in the New Lancaster area would cause many problems: exposing more of the city to the enivornmental impacts of another large air facility, necessary rerouting of existing air traffice, the purchase of land and facilities, and appropriate buffer zones, in a highly populated area, etc.

Simply expanding the facility seems to make the most economic sense, in terms of cost to our government, in terms of capacity, and in terms of meeting the requirements of the prospective tenants.

FOR A NEW AIRPORT

On the other hand, many cities in the world CAN support two major airports, if the demand is there.

A new airport could be state of the art, could be built for simpler expansion in the future, could take advantage of modern technologies, etc.

A new airport would be more expensive, but such an undertaking would likely create even more jobs (temporary ones involved in construction and permanent ones in staffing it) than an expansion.


I lean toward expansion, but as I have not heard a strong case yet for a new airport, I will gladly listen to one. If a persusive argument can be made, I'm not adverse to considering it.


Also, for the purposes of discussion, I've included the following press release that spurred the initial talk of expansion. (OOC: From the NEWSLINK)


New Lancaster's Capital may be gearing up for a big change, as both Singapore Airlines, and Korean Airlines have expressed interest in making EUtopia's major airport their respective hubs in the Western Hemisphere. Cosmopolitan New Lancaster City, the largest city on the island, already serves as the rail and road hub for the entire nation, while it is also a great international transport center, as airplanes use its airport and ships use its harbor as a useful stopping-over point while crossing the Atlantic.
New Lancaster International is EUtopia's biggest air facility, capable of handling any sized craft, in zero visibility weather. For the Airport to be selected in the respective Hub bids, it is expected that at least one new terminal and major runway would have to be constructed, at the cost of 2.1 billion dollars, and the removal of about 6,000 citizens living in a run down neighborhood adjacent the airport. The neighborhood is also home to two notorious gangs, the Bluts and the Anarchs, the latter rumoured to be fairly well organized and sympathetic to the revolutionatry activities that have occured in the past.
 

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I do think mr. Amric is the best person for the job.. I trully think, this would mean the RD will be without represetation in the Goverment, it's true... But we don't have any power adiction problem... On an other hand I would like in the future this "sacrifice" was some could call this... Not to be frogoten byt the coalition memebers ( MP )


I think that the first step to a better coalition is to change the name... This name don't have any meaning now... New name, new life... We should try to make a comman platform... and commom goals and DO THAT!!! don't make promises! DO THINGS...
 

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personaly while agreeing something needs to be done, i dont think we can go giving too much control to the people there because, you give an inch they want a foot. we should work on the problem but carefully so as to resolve it peacefully and avoid letting them break away from the country.
 

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Originally posted by I_Killed-Kenny

I think that the first step to a better coalition is to change the name... This name don't have any meaning now... New name, new life... We should try to make a comman platform... and commom goals and DO THAT!!! don't make promises! DO THINGS...


Please see my comments earlier ;). I agree with you and other people do, too. We have talked about a new focus for a coalition, and the MP and ESRP have commented on it briefly as well as Mr. Lundgren.

If we can agree on a platform, then it is easier to develop a new name. Let us agree what we will do, then we will know what to call ourselves! :D

Also, not just what we do but HOW we do it is very important. If you have comments about what was said earlier, please share them. I think the earlier discussion is very close to what you are talking about now.
 

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Originally posted by heagarty
Please see my comments earlier ;). I agree with you and other people do, too. We have talked about a new focus for a coalition, and the MP and ESRP have commented on it briefly as well as Mr. Lundgren.

If we can agree on a platform, then it is easier to develop a new name. Let us agree what we will do, then we will know what to call ourselves! :D

Also, not just what we do but HOW we do it is very important. If you have comments about what was said earlier, please share them. I think the earlier discussion is very close to what you are talking about now.

[OOC: I must admit I didn't saw much what happen before because of my 10 day vacation... I'll post some comments later ;) /]

why don't you start posting what you party things is the most important??? [OOC: I know you're ready yet... muhahah /]
 

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Originally posted by jacob-Lundgren
personaly while agreeing something needs to be done, i dont think we can go giving too much control to the people there because, you give an inch they want a foot. we should work on the problem but carefully so as to resolve it peacefully and avoid letting them break away from the country.


I was thinking something like it happen in the latin provinces, but in all of EUtopia... The truth is that the latin provinces DON'T WANT to break away... the only part that wants is TERRITORY not a central part of the country ( the WET )
 

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Originally posted by I_Killed-Kenny
[OOC: I must admit I didn't saw much what happen before because of my 10 day vacation... I'll post some comments later ;) /]

why don't you start posting what you party things is the most important??? [OOC: I know you're ready yet... muhahah /]

We already did!!! Right here!!! JOBS !!! A program to improve the economy and create jobs for Eutopians! :rolleyes: :D :D :D

Of course, there is more, but we are still working on that. ;)
 
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