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I think we need to come up with a few concrete plans of action to support in speeches. A few suggestions:

1) Welfare reform. I've campaigned for this and really want to see it happen. We're currently spending Ð17,300 on each unemployed adult in welfare! That's more than some working people make! This must be put to an end, I suggest cutting benefits to non-disabled but unemployed adults. We should keep benefits about the same for the disabled and those who receive welfare for reasons besides unemployment, while severely cutting unemployment benefits, by something around half, maybe even reduce it to 25% what it is now, especially for those who have been unemployed for a long time.

2) Pushing for reunification under one monarch, Maria Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Tilapia would probably be more likely to respond to this, although they may push for Francesca. We might even want to accept that, if we really want reunification. Achieving reunification peacefully would be a great boost to all of the participants' prestige and it would also be a great accomplishment for Eutopia.

3) Repeeling certain bills/amendments. Maybe RUBB or another, I'm not sure which ones would be in our interests to repeel. If someone else wants to develop this further, feel free.
 

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Sterkarm said:
I think we need to come up with a few concrete plans of action to support in speeches. A few suggestions:

1) Welfare reform. I've campaigned for this and really want to see it happen. We're currently spending Ð17,300 on each unemployed adult in welfare! That's more than some working people make! This must be put to an end, I suggest cutting benefits to non-disabled but unemployed adults. We should keep benefits about the same for the disabled and those who receive welfare for reasons besides unemployment, while severely cutting unemployment benefits, by something around half, maybe even reduce it to 25% what it is now, especially for those who have been unemployed for a long time.

2) Pushing for reunification under one monarch, Maria Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Tilapia would probably be more likely to respond to this, although they may push for Francesca. We might even want to accept that, if we really want reunification. Achieving reunification peacefully would be a great boost to all of the participants' prestige and it would also be a great accomplishment for Eutopia.

3) Repeeling certain bills/amendments. Maybe RUBB or another, I'm not sure which ones would be in our interests to repeel. If someone else wants to develop this further, feel free.

RUBB is my baby, Mr. Recyznski. I drafted it, I pushed it through the NA...so you better be careful when you're talking about it ;).

Note that the system which the RUBB replaced (60% of prior wages for a year) was much worse. The RUBB shortened the maximum time to a period between 4-8 months per recipient. It raised the cap slightly, but made it much harder for people to actually reach that cap. The intention of the RUBB was to provide security for Eutopian Citizens--to ensure that people aren't unfairly disadvantaged due to economic circumstances beyond their control.

If you have any suggestions for improving it, feel free to float them.


As for the monarchy...as you know, my position on that subject has hardly been the most defined. I ran for President the first time around in a coalition with the old CRE on a vaguely-pro-monarchy platform. By the middle of the term, I was supporting Morgan's amendment to abolish the monarchy and confiscate royal land. The split of the island did give me some second thoughts on the subject...if our reunification efforts by normal means did fail, we could always hope for an eventual personal union under Francesca if the monarchy were restored. I approached Vilms about this about the time of the elections--and, although we agreed on the subject and that we should work toward that goal, nothing came of it. I had my problems in the last term, and Vilms, may he rest in peace, was killed in New Bengal.
 

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The calls went out mid-morning about a mandatory lunch meeting at headquarters. The conference was set up with several trays of sandwiches, Moonbucks coffee, and beers. Levarge, dressed as casually as he knew how, waited until everyone had food and was seated.

"Gentlemen, at times in the military you come across a unit where things aren't meshing, all cylinders aren't firing, the officers aren't talking to each other, and the unit is suffering. That's when you have a 'come to Jesus' meeting. Everything on the table; sweep away the bullshit. I'll start." Levarge took a swig of coffee.

"All my cards. If Tilly wins, I'm the MDIS and Vice-President. If Sergei wins, my best-case scenario is to be returned to the rank of brigidier, and probably assigned as Inspector General of the Military Veternary Service. Worst-case, I'm out. That's one reason I'm going to back Tilly to the hilt. Second reason - he's a good man, a good leader, and I trust him.

"Same choice faces the party - Tilly or Sergei. Tilly's a liberal, but a sensible one. Sergei's a socialist. We need Tilly to win. Stop sniping at the UMP. Stop blasting them. Hit the socialists all you want, tear them a new one, but lay of the UMP. If we're going to work with them, we need to support them.

"We'll be lucky to land one GA seat this term. This country is very liberal, but that can change, if we survive long enough to make it happen! And the only way to do that is to be part of the winning team. The UEF died because it wasn't sitting at the big boy's table. We can be, this term, if Tilly wins.

"So that's how I see it - back the hell off of Tilly and the UMP, tear into the ESA. Viscount? Mr. Talbott? Mr. Strasse? Mr. Reczynski? Put your cards on the table too."
 

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"General, this is difficult.

Yes, we must support Tilly in the Presidential elections, but the way I see it, the GA is a whole new kettle of fish. I have never flamed Tilly. I have not made reference to his pathetic record last term. But I have attacked his party. That is right. That is what we should be doing. The UP had a large majority, but they did nothing of worth with it.

The only party that I can really envisage us taking votes off is the UMP. If we do as you say, if we stick to lambasting the socialists and those half-witted Progressionists, we will not be getting the biggest advantage possible from this election. We must strike at the GA - that must be the centre of our power. We will have little or no influence on the President this next term, so the GA should be our focus. And I will not abandon our plea to the voters to kick the UMP out of the Assembly for one seat on the Cabinet, and some meaningless Deputy-Speakership.

This is dilution, General. Dilution of the worst kind."
 

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Levarge nods at Strasse. "If it was easy, Mr. Strasse, we wouldn't be wasting our time. You can campaign without attacking the party we have to work with. You can campaign on our strengths as a party, presenting us as the conservative alternative! UMP isn't pretending to be conservative. Talk about the CUE and the good it will do." He sat back.

"I'm not giving orders here, gentlemen, I'm putting forward my opinions. I want that to be clear."
 

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"I see your reasoning, and although I may not necessarily agree with it, I do agree that a change of step is necessary if our campaign is really going to take off. I will concentrate on a more positive campaign if that's what the general opinion is.

Perhaps we should come up with some sort of speaking schedule that we can all stick to? If you'd like to take a look, I've come up with a little memo that I thought we could use privately as the base of our public image.
There are five issues that should really be most attractive to the voters these elections. They are;

(1) Reunification - Unification under a single, strong Head of State (impartial, not partisan to party politics (horse-trading?), 8 years of Republic lead to break up of Eutopia etc. etc. etc.)
Key Word: Stability
(2) Economy - Free market will force businesses to be competitive. Less money to bail out failing industries. BUT more governmental loans for businesses to update and modernise. Fewer farm subsidies, more grants to farmers to buy heavy machinery. Perhaps more public works schemes to make more jobs? Improve oppurtunity for small businesses+enterprise (perhaps interest-free loans for people wanting to set up a business?)
Key Word: Enterprise
(3) Environment - Work against the causes of pollution, not the results. Recycling schemes - make the people feel like they are part of it, they are part of the community. Interest-free loans+rewards to businesses+homes investing in green technology (offer to pay a % of cost of solar panels etc.)
Key Word: (Unsure)
(4) Welfare - Socially responsible. Geared towards giving people oppurtunity to get back to work+live a better life and NOT towards letting people live their lives purely on the back of others. Perhaps initiative to improve adult learning? Don't mention cutting benefits!
Key word: Oppurtunity
(5) Security - Increase police+military budgets. Get policemen on the streets, protection&prevention. Tough on petty crime (ie graffiti/public disorder etc.).
Key Word: Tough

Does any of this look attractive to you?

Now one other thing. Is everyone in agreement that 'The Standard' is the best name for the party newspaper?"
 

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Well, General, in regards to trusting Tilly... I don't. He's outrightly said that as MDIS if the GA passed a bill, he would reject it and release any draftees. That's not democracy, that's dictatorship.

Also, the way I see, we can't take any votes from the ESA, so we shouldn't even bother with attacking them. The only real votes we can steal are those of UMP and P4P. And currently, UMP is the most open to attack. Their presidential candidate made those comments I mentioned just now. They were the last administration, who had a huge majority and screwed up badly. We can't just allow them to get away with that and get another majority in the GA. Without us assaulting the UMP, center-right people may drift over to it. We lost Bob Austri because he was concerned about our stance on the monarchy. The P4P and UMP are open to attack, we should focus on them, NOT on the ESA. A socialist is not easily going to change his viewpoint to conservative. Maybe centrist, but certainly not conservative, and we are looked upon as a rahter far-right party.
 

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Sterkarm said:
Well, General, in regards to trusting Tilly... I don't. He's outrightly said that as MDIS if the GA passed a bill, he would reject it and release any draftees. That's not democracy, that's dictatorship.

Also, the way I see, we can't take any votes from the ESA, so we shouldn't even bother with attacking them. The only real votes we can steal are those of UMP and P4P. And currently, UMP is the most open to attack. Their presidential candidate made those comments I mentioned just now. They were the last administration, who had a huge majority and screwed up badly. We can't just allow them to get away with that and get another majority in the GA. Without us assaulting the UMP, center-right people may drift over to it. We lost Bob Austri because he was concerned about our stance on the monarchy. The P4P and UMP are open to attack, we should focus on them, NOT on the ESA. A socialist is not easily going to change his viewpoint to conservative. Maybe centrist, but certainly not conservative, and we are looked upon as a rahter far-right party.

I think we need to run a positive campaign. Go out there and talk about the values of conservatism and our specific policies that will make Eutopia a better place. If you feel the need for a foil, then implicitly attack the Eutopia City Establishment [except for me, after all, we're all outsiders]--all of it, from Josephus to Langley--but nothing specific, no name calling, no ad hominem attacks (except against Josephus, whose name you should denigrate at every turn).

I'm going to give a speech later tonight [no, really this time!], and I plan to do exactly that.
 

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Gentlemen, excuse my absence over the last few days; family and business have a habit of intruding on one's time at the most inconvenient of moments. A few quick comments on the last few days' debates:

Firstly, I respectfully disagree with recent statements made in this HQ that our party had a "seemingly floundering start." At the time that comment was made, the CUE had gone from a twinkle in our collective eye, to a strong platform based on broad consent from conservatives of different stripes, to a project launched in the Townhall, to a certified party with the realistic ambition of uniting the fragmented Right, to several members, all within an exceedingly short span of time. This strikes me as a great success story, rather than a story of "seeming" or other problems.

Secondly, I believe I made my position on Tilly clear when we discussed the founding of this party at Bolingbroke House, but to reiterate, I don't see either Sergei or Tilly as a great choice. My preferred option would be for CUE to stay out of the presidential race altogether, rather than serve as the handmaiden of one of the two candidates. Supporting Tilly as a party will indubitably limit our tactical options as well as our credibility as an alternative to the radical Left and the tired, ineffective Centre. This does not mean I believe individual CUE members can or should not vote for Tilly (he's certainly better than Sergei), but it means that I'd have preferred the CUE as a party (and its members) to stay clear of publicly supporting Tilly and consequently having to defend that choice.

Thirdly, in light of the fact that the party appears to have decided on officially supporting Tilly, and since coalition negotiations are already underway, we should at least sell our souls for the highest price possible. The offer made by Tilly for VP/one Ministry and Deputy Speaker is unacceptable. I agree with those who feel that the VP and Deputy Speaker positions are a joke and completely meaningless. I also agree, however, that VP/one Ministry and the Speakership will be acceptable (unless CUE turns out to win a share of seats in the GA equal to or greater than the UMP's). In addition, I suggest we ask that the UMP go along with the CUE's choice in the AG-selection process next Term.

Fourthly, we *cannot* support Tilly and completely slam his party at the same time. To do so makes us appear schizophrenic at best, and self-interested, inconsistent, manipulative, and cynical at worst. Endorsing Tilly means endorsing a cabinet that will be mostly composed of UP/UMP party members. We must either reconcile ourselves to that fact and accept that it will limit just how much we can attack the UP/UMP record (and the UP's failure to dissolve itself, which it had firmly and repeatedly promised to do during Term 9 elections), or we must reconsider our position on supporting Tilly. We cannot have it both ways - unless we don't value our own integrity or public image.

Fifthly, the party newspaper: given that the "Weekly Standard" was a newspaper published by that intolerable crypto-socialist Schwarzerd, I don't think the "Standard" is the best of choices.

Finally, some general comments on the direction and future of this party: our credibility and effectiveness critically depend on cohesion and unity. In other words, in public, we must act as a *party* rather than as a mere collection of individuals with their own agendas. This is not meant as a criticism of Brigadier Levarge, but by entering into personal negotiations with Tilly and campaigning on Tilly's behalf before the party had made a decision on these crucial issues, he effectively tied our hands on the whole candidate support/coalition question.

Due to these activities, our party can now neither endorse another candidate (not that we'd *want* to endorese Sergei, of course) nor take the stance that neither candidate is acceptable without appearing to be divided or to be flip-flopping. Given the somewhat pro-Tilly climate within our party, this development may not appear unduly troublesome; however, that may not be the case on future occasions. I do not believe in, nor do I advocate strict party discipline, but we do need a minimum of party cohesion, in thought as well as action, if we are to succeed. To my mind, we will ultimately be best able to serve our country by observing the needs of our party.

TMV St. James, Viscount of Dunwich
 

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"First, Viscount, your piece savaging that land-grabbing son-of-a-bitch of a lawyer was terrific. Absolutly great.

"Secondly, regarding my own connection with Tilly and his campaign, would it serve the interests of CUE better if I were to go independent for the duration of this election? I'll hand in a resignation, you can pick a new deputy, and your hands will no longer be tied. At this point, I'd be more than happy to get the hell out if you all think it's for the best. I'm not a politician, just a soldier."
 

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"That does not bode well... besides, I don't know if you can, considering that you're already registered with the CRO Office.

By the way, about the piece in the newspaper, perhaps you, Viscount, or someone else should drive the point home on the campaign trail. We need to make sure that gets maximum exposure."
 

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"My point, Mr. Reczynski, is that I thought I made it clear at Bollingbrook House that I was going to support Tilly. Now it seems to have blindsided people. Not my plan, not what I want to have happen. The CRO can't keep me in the CUE. But I don't want to leave the party - only if people think it will help. But I'll be blunt about one thing - if Tilly does give me MDIS and VP, I think that makes me a prime candidate for the Diamond Office. I can be an independent at that point, or a CUE member. It's your call, gentlemen."
 

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"Well, we have to decide very soon, as a party, whether to support Tilly or to just be neutral on the issue. I think the problem with supporting him is it limits our ability to attack the UMP. We have lots of ammo to use on them, and I hate to see a good opportunity to attack Amric and co. go to waste.

Personally, I don't like or trust Tilly. I've clashed with him on many occasions and his promise to support my welfare reform unnerves me. While I want him to help me pass further welfare reform, I don't like it when people promise something just to get a politician's support. If it was earnest, then I would receive it gladly.

On a side note to Mr. Talbott, my only problem with RUBB is that perhaps even it allows too much to people. I think maximum benefits need to be drastically cut, and we need to do something about the pension system as well as the whole of welfare. Maybe a stricter form of RUBB would help to cut welfare costs, and also pension reform. In short, we need to cut our welfare budget by a lot. I don't care what it takes, but we need to cut it severely in order to get out of debt. I realize, Mr. Talbott, that you had to keep RUBB relatively loose in order to get it passed, but I believe if we get enough support in the GA, we should push through a massive welfare reform bill, and abolish Eutopia's welfare state status."
 

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"By the way, General Levarge, I would like you to remain in this party."
 

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Voshkod said:
"Secondly, regarding my own connection with Tilly and his campaign, would it serve the interests of CUE better if I were to go independent for the duration of this election? I'll hand in a resignation, you can pick a new deputy, and your hands will no longer be tied. At this point, I'd be more than happy to get the hell out if you all think it's for the best. I'm not a politician, just a soldier."
Brigadier Levarge, let me reiterate that my comments were not intended as a personal criticism. We are both new to the political game, so neither of us is used to the strictures imposed by party interests. Not to mention that CUE itself is new and so far lacks a party culture and established pratices that members can look to in instances like this. Given this, and considering the time constraints and personal commitments (some predating the CUE) we are operating with, the current situation was perhaps unavoidable.

In other words, I do understand your actions, but (and this was my point) they raise a general issue the party needs to be aware of if we are to succeed. Perhaps I phrased this poorly before, but my concern is not with your actions in this particular instance and campaign, and my comments were not meant as a criticism. Rather, my concern is with the interests of this party *as* a party, and my comments were meant as a matter-of-fact description of how I see the situation.

That situation is as follows: your current actions simply publicly reinforce what seems to be majority opinion in the party, and so do not effectively hurt us - although they *do* effectively limit our options. The root of my concerns, and the reason for my earlier comments, is that at some future point, "freelancing" *will* conceivably damage the party, and should therefore be treated with extreme caution. Which is not to say that I believe we must toe a rigid party line - but if the CUE is to persist as the unified voice of conservatism, we will have to act with due regard for party interests and party cohesion.

And of course, any comments I made are simply my own opinion, and I offered them in the same spirit I hope they will be received in: as a contribution to the frank exchange of opinion that characterized this party's founding process and will, hopefully, characterize its future as well. :)

- TMV St. James, Viscount of Dunwich
 

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"Viscount, what is your view on supporting Tilly or not? My only problem with it is that it severely limits us and hinders our GA campaign. As I said before, the UMP is the closest party to ours, ideologically. Therefore, it is the most likely party for us to steal votes from. We need to be able to attack the other UMP members, if not Tilly."
 

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Sterkarm said:
"Viscount, what is your view on supporting Tilly or not?
My view on the matter has not changed. Personally, I still feel CUE should not support Tilly.

- TMV St. James, Viscount of Dunwich
 

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Sterkarm said:
"Well, we have to decide very soon, as a party, whether to support Tilly or to just be neutral on the issue. I think the problem with supporting him is it limits our ability to attack the UMP. We have lots of ammo to use on them, and I hate to see a good opportunity to attack Amric and co. go to waste.

Personally, I don't like or trust Tilly. I've clashed with him on many occasions and his promise to support my welfare reform unnerves me. While I want him to help me pass further welfare reform, I don't like it when people promise something just to get a politician's support. If it was earnest, then I would receive it gladly.

On a side note to Mr. Talbott, my only problem with RUBB is that perhaps even it allows too much to people. I think maximum benefits need to be drastically cut, and we need to do something about the pension system as well as the whole of welfare. Maybe a stricter form of RUBB would help to cut welfare costs, and also pension reform. In short, we need to cut our welfare budget by a lot. I don't care what it takes, but we need to cut it severely in order to get out of debt. I realize, Mr. Talbott, that you had to keep RUBB relatively loose in order to get it passed, but I believe if we get enough support in the GA, we should push through a massive welfare reform bill, and abolish Eutopia's welfare state status."

Pension reform is something that seriously needs to be addressed--if I had won re-election in Term VII, that would have been one of my top priorities.

Speaking of Tilly, has there been any word on that front? If I don't receive a guarantee of the speakership and/or two ministries by Friday, I will go negative.
 

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Agreed Mr. Talbott, we have to set a deadline for this, and if when the elections start and we don't have a guarantee of Speakership and two ministries, I say we go full-out attack on the UMP.
 
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