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I think it is both fair and accurate to slam the UP in general as a failure. With six GA members and a landslide victory in the presidential elections, they still accomplished little, and what was accomplished was almost entirely the work of Tilly. I would focus on the UP promises and potential, and their failure to meet either.
 

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Indeed. Slam the UP - I refuse to call it the UMP - at every oppurtunity. They are the party of narcolepsy and afternoon naps! We are the party of action and promise. Tell the voters that at every possible moment.
 

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Levarge comes into headquarters looking uncharacterisitically shaken. He takes a beer from the fridge, then joins the others.

"Gentlemen. I have communicated an offer to Minister Tilly. I requested two ministries and the Speakership. He responded with one ministry - MDIS - and the Vice Presidency, and the Deputy Speakership." Levarge took a pull from the beer. "The MDIS and VP slots were offers directly to me. I think I'm a little too close to this discussion now. I can't deny that being MDIS and VP is a powerful thought and, as I've said before, I'll support Tilly regardless of the party's position."
 

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That is not enough, we deserve two ministries and the speakership at least, if not the VP or a third speakership as well.
 

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Levarge, I suggest you start campaigning for yourself and for CUE before you start campaigning for Tilly. In fact, only Mr. Strasse and I have made any speeches in support of CUE, which is quite disconcerting.
 

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Mister Recyznski, I am General Levarge, and I do regret that my speech for Minister Tilly hit the airwaves before my speech for the CUE, but, as I'm certain you've seen, I've also made a - if I do say so myself - well-received speech for our party. But I do thank you for your kind and timely reminder.
 

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Voshkod said:
Levarge comes into headquarters looking uncharacterisitically shaken. He takes a beer from the fridge, then joins the others.

"Gentlemen. I have communicated an offer to Minister Tilly. I requested two ministries and the Speakership. He responded with one ministry - MDIS - and the Vice Presidency, and the Deputy Speakership." Levarge took a pull from the beer. "The MDIS and VP slots were offers directly to me. I think I'm a little too close to this discussion now. I can't deny that being MDIS and VP is a powerful thought and, as I've said before, I'll support Tilly regardless of the party's position."

2 Ministries and a speakership? Considering that the President has a ministry to himself, that's half the cabinet. The VP position looks nice, but it's worth a bucket of warm piss. I was VP back in Term V [and I would have been again in Term IX if I hadn't screwed up]. And since Tilly's a young, healthy guy, he's not likely to drop dead soon.

Forget the VP slot. Tell him you want the Speakership and a ministry.
 

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My counteroffer was one ministry, the VP slot - which is ceremonially important, and can lead to greater things - and the Speakership. He's farming that over to his people. We only have four members; at this rate, we won't be a large impact on the election. Mr. Talbott is correct; asking for half the cabinet is not going to go over well - and didn't, as that was my first offer. Will we accept one ministry, the VP, and the Speakership?
 

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Voshkod said:
My counteroffer was one ministry, the VP slot - which is ceremonially important, and can lead to greater things - and the Speakership. He's farming that over to his people. We only have four members; at this rate, we won't be a large impact on the election. Mr. Talbott is correct; asking for half the cabinet is not going to go over well - and didn't, as that was my first offer. Will we accept one ministry, the VP, and the Speakership?

If they give it to us? Sure...
 

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Yes, that is good, I suppose if we get the right people into certain positions, we could make the VP position lead to much greater things...
 

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"Let me make it clear; Tilly's offer is to put me in both the VP and MDIS slots. There is not an open offer for us to choose people for those slots. Will we accept VP/MDIS and Deputy Speaker, or only VP/MDIS and Speaker?" He took another long pull from his beer.

"As I'm sure I don't need to say, MDIS and VP have both been routes to the Presidency."
 

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"Personally I think we should get VP and a seperate ministry, as the VP entails a ministry already, and we must have the speakership, the deputy speakership is pretty much useless. The ideal thing would be this: VP/MDIS to you, General (or an option to decide which to give to who), MTIA to myself, the speakership to Mr. Talbott, and a GA seat to myself, Talbott, and Strasse. Really I think two ministries would be better than ministry and speakership. Perhaps we should just go with VP/MDIS and MTIA?
 

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Perhaps we should make Tilly sweat a little and make a speech or two reflecting somewhat negatively on him?
 

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Sterkarm said:
"Personally I think we should get VP and a seperate ministry, as the VP entails a ministry already, and we must have the speakership, the deputy speakership is pretty much useless. The ideal thing would be this: VP/MDIS to you, General (or an option to decide which to give to who), MTIA to myself, the speakership to Mr. Talbott, and a GA seat to myself, Talbott, and Strasse. Really I think two ministries would be better than ministry and speakership. Perhaps we should just go with VP/MDIS and MTIA?

That's the ideal, Reczynski...but, again, that's half the cabinet right there, and we don't have that much bargaining power. Remember, the ministries are nothing without the force to get stuff through the GA. Given the right person, the Speakership can be a very potent tool to get change effected swiftly--or not, as we've seen all too many times before with certain Socialists.
 

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"My feeling is that we should try for the one ministry, VP, and Speakership. And if Tilly disagrees, one ministry and the Speakership.

Sure it'd be nice for you to be Vice President, General, but can you really justify us losing the Speakership for a largely ceremonial position, where you'll be sitting on your hands, waiting for Tilly to slip up? You'll be in the Cabinet anyway, and with the MDIS portfolio, you're hardly likely to sink into the shadows.

If the CUE is to make any proactive attempt to be effective in government, we must have the speakership. I'm afraid its that or nothing for me, General."
 

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I didn't ask for the VP slot, gentlemen, Tilly offered it without prompting. I asked for two ministries and the Speakership, he replyed with MDIS/VP and Deputy Speaker, I went back with MDIS/VP and Speaker. I'm still awaiting his response. If you think this is about my personal aggrandizement, you're wrong. Mr. Talbott is correct: it's a bucket of warm piss.
 

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Indeed. As well as a party newspaper.

I believe the options the Viscount laid available to us were his own 'Daily Mail and Telegraph', and a new, rather interestingly named, 'Clarion'.

However I will put forward a number of alternatives for you to consider:

The Advance
The Advocate
The Beacon
The Eagle
The Enterprise
The Sentinel
The Standard
The Voice

Does any of them float your boat, General? Anyone else?
 

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I've opened the public offices. As for a newspaper, the Standard has a nice, conservative, ring to it, but the Herald is redolent of monarchy. I'd support either one.
 

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"Excellent, General. Now we just have to lure some gullible socialist in there to embarass.

And yes, The Standard was one that particularly interested me as well. Something for everyone in that name."
 
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