OK!How about using WET and USA as election weapon. Government isn't very popular currently because people feels that Langley's government isn't doing enough to get americans out of our territory.Unfortunate that rest of members have abandoned us
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OK!How about using WET and USA as election weapon. Government isn't very popular currently because people feels that Langley's government isn't doing enough to get americans out of our territory.Unfortunate that rest of members have abandoned us
You do bring up a good point, Captain. I hate to be so...politic-y, though. Right before von Streusser returned, I woke up one day, looked myself in the mirror, and realized that I was a politician...very scary experience.
In any event, I think that we'll run, like we always do, on the merits of our position. If we boost some things more than others...well thats just natural. I think that one of those merits is our pragmatic stand on the Farpoint issue.
In any event, Captain, the elections are a good deal of time from now, so I think formulating all our "campaign strategies" is rather moot. The Farpoint issue could completely resolve itself in a manner amenable to everyone...unlikely, but possible.
In any event, I think that we'll run, like we always do, on the merits of our position. If we boost some things more than others...well thats just natural. I think that one of those merits is our pragmatic stand on the Farpoint issue.
In any event, Captain, the elections are a good deal of time from now, so I think formulating all our "campaign strategies" is rather moot. The Farpoint issue could completely resolve itself in a manner amenable to everyone...unlikely, but possible.
When are the elections held anyway.
OOC:I heard Blade! saying that they will be in january due to christmas holidays.
So they'll be held a good deal after Christmas, eh? That's good to hear. I'll be getting married to our Press Manager, Miss Jenkins, on the 19th, and will be away on honeymoon for two weeks thereafter [OOC: not getting married in RL...just going on vacation]. I wouldn't want the election to fall in the midst of my honeymoon.
Congratulations of the wedding Professor!
On the issue of election campaign, it wouldnt be too wise to condemn the United States too much in my opinion...
It would be more wise to promote putting a stop to terrorism, for it is the acts of the terrorists and the governments failure to prevent their acts that led to the current situation, we should campaign for a safer Eutopia, and to work with the US in order to put a end to terrorism in our nation.
If we campaign against the US we will be labelled anti-US, which would damage trade and our military, if the Military Reform Bill ever reaches parliament then it will depend on close ties to the US.
The United States is not our enemy, the terrorists, MEOR, and the Eco Fascists are. Lets deal with them first.
But as Prof. Talbott said, the elections are a long time away...
Gen. Haynes
On the issue of election campaign, it wouldnt be too wise to condemn the United States too much in my opinion...
It would be more wise to promote putting a stop to terrorism, for it is the acts of the terrorists and the governments failure to prevent their acts that led to the current situation, we should campaign for a safer Eutopia, and to work with the US in order to put a end to terrorism in our nation.
If we campaign against the US we will be labelled anti-US, which would damage trade and our military, if the Military Reform Bill ever reaches parliament then it will depend on close ties to the US.
The United States is not our enemy, the terrorists, MEOR, and the Eco Fascists are. Lets deal with them first.
But as Prof. Talbott said, the elections are a long time away...
Gen. Haynes
I think our overall general policy towards the US since the beginnings of the Farpoint incident have been one of moderation; we see that being gratuitously anti-American is simply stupid, and that good relationships with the US are important, but we must make our status as a sovereign nation clear as well--moderation is key here.
Yes indeed. By the way, congratulations on your wedding professor. I think we need to campaign more funds to police and military to ensure efficient fight against terrorism.
Hmmm, our membership seems to be lacking
Professor Talbott, seeing that our current Deputy Chairman, Mr. Adam Julseau hasnt been around for quite a long time I would suggest that you take the role of deputy, that is if there is no objections from anyone else...
It would be good to have a secure chain of command, especially after recent events, its madness I tell ya!
Gen. Haynes
(OOC, Just updated the first post, 3 active members and 5 unactive, I'll keep the unactive members on the unactive list until either they become active or until the next game roll call or election, and after that then snip!)
Professor Talbott, seeing that our current Deputy Chairman, Mr. Adam Julseau hasnt been around for quite a long time I would suggest that you take the role of deputy, that is if there is no objections from anyone else...
It would be good to have a secure chain of command, especially after recent events, its madness I tell ya!
Gen. Haynes
(OOC, Just updated the first post, 3 active members and 5 unactive, I'll keep the unactive members on the unactive list until either they become active or until the next game roll call or election, and after that then snip!)
So unless Captain Martinez has any objections I declare Professor Talbot to be the Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Coalition (OOC Something new to add to your sig )
General Haynes
)General Haynes
Hmmm, I think it would be wise to review our platform in the near future and modify it, I was thinking of adding some issues such as Terrorism and the issue of Monarchy and also elaborating on existing points and even changing some things if the need arises.
So may I ask that at some point soon all members read our Platform and consider any changes or additions that you feel should be made.
Thank you
Haynes hands out copies of the CC's platform out to the members
I feel that some points should be added, mainly our policy on Terrorism and also some minor point about the issue of Monarchy.
Also some social issues, the Homosexuality Reform Bill caused quite a stir in the country, quite simply many people do not want this! Point 3 of the Bill causes most concern.
Marriage is a sacred and holy affair, allowing peoples of the same sex to be regarded as being marriage is a disgrace! And Child-Inheritance! Did anyone raise any questions about how a child being raised by a homosexual couple could affect the child? There are many questions that are raised, pyschologicaly this could effect the child tremendously, this bill should be repealed or at least the 3rd part of it should be removed. It is the moral thing to do. (OOC: Just to state these are IC views, in real life I am a very liberal person and wouldnt mind if such a bill was passed, would be quite happy actualy, its just that Haynes as a asshole)
And one other issue which is partically of intrest to my line of work, maybe this can be resolved in a national assembly bill or something.
The military chain of command, as it stands only a Lt. General/Vice Admiral can be Commander In Chief, and there may be only one Lt. General/Vice Admiral but as is the current situation what happens when the Lt. General/Vice Admirall has been relived of command but not demoted or discharged? Chaos!
In such a event there should be some legilslation that makes the next in the chain of command become a temporary Commander in Chief of that branch until the situation resolves itself.
A further modification would be that the Chief of Army/Navy/Air Force can be held by any officer with the rank of:
Lt General/Vice Admiral
Mj General/Rear Admiral
Brigadeer General/Commodore
Instead of the traditional Lt. General/Vice Admiral, of course the Chief would be the highest ranking.
General Haynes
So may I ask that at some point soon all members read our Platform and consider any changes or additions that you feel should be made.
Thank you
Haynes hands out copies of the CC's platform out to the members
I feel that some points should be added, mainly our policy on Terrorism and also some minor point about the issue of Monarchy.
Also some social issues, the Homosexuality Reform Bill caused quite a stir in the country, quite simply many people do not want this! Point 3 of the Bill causes most concern.
Marriage is a sacred and holy affair, allowing peoples of the same sex to be regarded as being marriage is a disgrace! And Child-Inheritance! Did anyone raise any questions about how a child being raised by a homosexual couple could affect the child? There are many questions that are raised, pyschologicaly this could effect the child tremendously, this bill should be repealed or at least the 3rd part of it should be removed. It is the moral thing to do. (OOC: Just to state these are IC views, in real life I am a very liberal person and wouldnt mind if such a bill was passed, would be quite happy actualy, its just that Haynes as a asshole
)And one other issue which is partically of intrest to my line of work, maybe this can be resolved in a national assembly bill or something.
The military chain of command, as it stands only a Lt. General/Vice Admiral can be Commander In Chief, and there may be only one Lt. General/Vice Admiral but as is the current situation what happens when the Lt. General/Vice Admirall has been relived of command but not demoted or discharged? Chaos!
In such a event there should be some legilslation that makes the next in the chain of command become a temporary Commander in Chief of that branch until the situation resolves itself.
A further modification would be that the Chief of Army/Navy/Air Force can be held by any officer with the rank of:
Lt General/Vice Admiral
Mj General/Rear Admiral
Brigadeer General/Commodore
Instead of the traditional Lt. General/Vice Admiral, of course the Chief would be the highest ranking.
General Haynes
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Originally posted by Kurek
So unless Captain Martinez has any objections I declare Professor Talbot to be the Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Coalition (OOC Something new to add to your sig
General Haynes
[OOC: One step ahead of you there...
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Originally posted by Kurek
So unless Captain Martinez has any objections I declare Professor Talbot to be the Deputy Chairman of the Conservative Coalition (OOC Something new to add to your sig
General Haynes
No objections!You guys have been longer in the CC than i have. And the platform is quite good, but i think we should add some parts:monarchy, homosexuality, terrorism etc.Have you seen this?What do ya think?I think it's too strict. I mean, automatic firearms?Glock 19 fires 3-shot bursts(OOC:at least in CS
)Also, permit revoked on felony charge?Does it mean like parking ticket?I think after 3 times would be better. This would not apply to terrorism, homicides armed robberies narcotics etc.____________________________________________________
Regulations of Firearms Act,
By Jacob S. Langley, Revised by Bram Borgman
I. Classifaction of Firearms
Class I - Automatic Firearms. These shall be defined as as one press of the trigger can result in more than one bullet being fired. They shall be made illegal to all citizens with the exception of those issued a proper permit, and military or police personal issued these weapons while on duty.
Class II - Semiautomatic Firearms. These shall be defined as employing gas pressure or force of recoil and mechanical spring action to eject the empty cartridge case after the first shot and load the next cartridge from the magazine but requiring release and another pressure of the trigger for each successive shot.
They shall not be allowed to the general public without the proper permit. On duty military and police personale may be issued these weapons.
Class III - Manual. Any firearm that does not fit into Class I, Class II, or Class IV such as but not limited to, shotguns, rifles, revolvers, and pistols shall be defined as Class III.
These weapons are allowable to the general public provided a firearms liscence is obtained and kept in good standing.
Class IV - Antiquated. These shall be Front loaded, black powder, single shot muskets or rifles.
These weapons are allowable to the general public provided a Antique Firearms License is obtained and kept in good standing.
II. Licenses and Permits.
Licenses
A firearms license shall be obtained by meeting the following standards:
1. Once the applicant submit to a background check and no violent crimes have been committed in the last twenty years.
2. Satisfactory completion of a fifteen hour course on gun use, care, and safety.
3. The applicant is at least 18 years of age.
A firearms license shall be good for a five year period. After which, the applicant must take and complete a ten hour refresher course on gun use, care, and safety. A fee of fifty ducats shall be established for a Firearms License and shall be subject to annual increases as deemed necessary by the office of MILE.
A firearms license shall be revoked for any of the following reasons:
1. Conviction of any felony charge.
2. Conviction of any violent crime.
3. Conviction of three misdemeanors.
4. Evidence of gross negligence pertaining to firearms.
Junior Firearms License. Children age 14 to 18 may obtain a Junior Firearms License under the following provisions.
1. Completion of a 20 hour gun safety course.
2. A clean criminal record.
3. Parental approval.
4. At least one parent already has a Firearms License in good standing.
A Junior Firearms License shall allow the holder to operate Class III Firearms in the presence and under the supervision of an adult with the proper Firearms License. The holder of a Junior Firearms License is only allowed to operate Class III Firearms in a competition at a sports club / shooting range, or during hunting. All restrictions to hunting also apply to the holder of a Junior Firearms License. The holder of a Junior Firearms License may not keep his/her gun loaded at home.
The holder of a Junior Firearms License shall not be allowed to obtain any of the special permits.
Any criminal conviction shall result in the revoking of a Junior Firearms License
Antique Firearms License. An AFL shall allow the holder to own, use, and operate Class IV Firearms. A fee of 100 ducats shall be in place for a AFL, and it shall last ten years. It shall be issued provided the following criteria is met.
1. Completion of a 10 hour class on the care and use of antiquated firearms.
2. No violent criminal conviction in the last 10 years.
3. Applicant is at least 18 years of age.
Permits.
All permits shall coincide with the length of the current Firearms License, and must be renewed when the Firearms License is renewed.
Class A Permit. Shall allow the holder to carry any firearms they are legally allowed to possess in a concealed manner.
In order to obtain such a permit, the applicant must not have a single conviction of felony or violent crime. Furthermore, no such charges may be pending. Also an additional ten hour course on gun safety must be completed. This course is the same as the course used for Class B and Class C. Holders of multilple permits will only be required to take the course once.
Class B Permit. Shall allow the holder to carry Class II Firearms. This permit shall be given only with the expressed approval of the Ministry of Law Enforcement on Class II firearms they deem appropriate for personal self defense.
The holder of a Class B Permit may not have any criminal conviction in the last fifteen years and absolutely no felony or violent convictions. An additional ten hour course on gun safety is required. This course is the same as the course used for Class C and Class A. Holders of multilple permits will only be required to take the course once.
The office of MILE shall be free to terminate any Class B Permit at its discretion.
Class C Permit. Shall allow the holder to carry Class II Firearms for commercial use. The holder of this permit must be employed by a private security firm that has been licensed and approved by MILE. The holder must complete the ten hour course on gun safety. This course is the same as the course used for Class B and Class A. Holders of multiple permits will only be required to take the course once.
The holder of this permit may not have any criminal convictions.
A fee of 250 ducats shall be established for a Class C Permit and shall be subject to annual increases as deemed necessary by the office of MILE.
Class D Permit. (Collector's Permit) Shall allow the holder to own and display Class II and Class I Firearms. In public displays, the firearms must be held in a secure case. The weapons may not be loaded or fired at any time.
Furthermore, each Class I and Class II weapon held under a Class D Permit must be registered with MILE.
The holder of this permit may not have any criminal convictions in the last ten years and no violent or felony convictions in the last twenty years. The holder must also complete a special 15 hour course on gun safety. Holders of multiple permits including a Class D Permit will take this course in substitute for the course required for Class A, Class B, and Class C Permits.
A fee of 100 ducats shall be established for a Class D Permit and shall be subject to annual increases as deemed necessary by the office of MILE.
Class E Permit (Dealer's Permit) Shall allow the holder to own, display and use for demonstration purposes, all Classes of Firearms. This permit shall have a fee of 500 ducats and the applicant must meet the following criteria.
1. Have a Firearms License in good standing.
2. Be at least 18 years of age.
3. Have no criminal record.
4. Complete a special 20 hour class on firearms care and display.
Furhtermore, the following practices must be followed to keep the Class E Permit in good standing.
1. All Firearms are to be displayed in securely locked cases and seperate from ammunition.
2. All Firearms for sale or on display are registered with MILE.
3. All sales are made only to those holding the proper license and/or permits.
A Class E Permit can be revoked for any criminal conviction.
All Permits will be revoked in the event the Firearms License is revoked.
All current gun owners are given twelve months to comply with this legislation.
III. Penalties.
Use of a Class I Firearm without proper permit - 10 to 5 years imprisonment
Possession of a Class I Firearm without proper permit - 5 to 2 years imprisonment
Use of a Class II Firearm without the proper permit - 5 to 2 years imprisonment
Use of a Class II Firearm without the a Firearms License - 7 to 4 years imprisonment.
Possession of a Class II Firearm without proper permit - 1 year to 6 months imprisonment
Possession of a Class II Firearm without a Firearms License - 2 to 1 years imprisonment.
Use of a Class III Firearm without a Firearms License - 2 years to 18 months imprisonment and a fine of up to 10,000.
Possession of a Class III Firearm without a Firearms License - 1 year to 3 months imprisonment and a fine up to 5,000.
Violation of a Class D Permit - 2 years to 6 months imprisonment and a fine of up to 25,000.
Carrying a concealed Firearm without a Class A Permit - 1 year to 3 months imprisonment and a fine of up to 2,000.
Use of a Firearm by a minor without a Junior License - 6 months imprisonment to 1 year's probation and a fine of up to 2,000.
Use of a Firearm in a crime - 7 to 3 years imprisonment.
Use of a Firearm License or Permit to illegally distribute firearms - 10 to 5 years imprisonment for each offense.
Use of a Class E Permit to illegally distribute firearms - 20 to 5 years for each offense
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Ah, got to the Regulations of Firearms Act before I did!
I was going to bring this up myself.
This cannot be allowed to pass! The right to bear arms in self defense is a basic liberty,
This proposed bill will severly limit the freedom to bear arms. I shall point out some aspects I am particually opposed to.
So if am charged for say, failing to pay for a parking fine 3 times this means I am not allowed to have my gun?
Yet again the stupidity of this bill rears its ugly head, not a single conviction?! So for some reason I am caught going 10 MPH over the speed limit and am convicted for speeding or dangerous driving, this means I am not responsible to use a gun!
And the terms of imprisonment for violating this act are ridiculus, Say I forget to renew my license after 10 years, and I am in possestion of an automatic weapon, (I have a small collection of weaponry) I could be facing 5 years in prison!
The classification of guns I accept, needing a license I accept, but not renewing it and having to undertake 10 hours of training on matters I am already trained in, the limits on criminal convictions, dangerous thiefs and murderous should not be allowed guns, but do not limit other people who have commited some minor offense. And also limiting the time spent in jail for violating this bill!
We need measures to stop the criminals, not the innocent free people who have the right to bear arms in self defense!
Gen. Haynes
I was going to bring this up myself.
This cannot be allowed to pass! The right to bear arms in self defense is a basic liberty,
This proposed bill will severly limit the freedom to bear arms. I shall point out some aspects I am particually opposed to.
So every Five years I have to spend 10 hours learning how to use my gun, even though I've known how to operate it and how to use it safely since I was a kid, disgraceful!
So if am charged for say, failing to pay for a parking fine 3 times this means I am not allowed to have my gun?
A license should stay in act indefinetly, what if someone aqcuires a gun liscense and a month later this act gets changed? You will need to get another license and spend another 15 hours learning how to use a gun yet again, and the Class IV gun license, you would need to spend 100 Ducats on getting a new one!
Yet again the stupidity of this bill rears its ugly head, not a single conviction?! So for some reason I am caught going 10 MPH over the speed limit and am convicted for speeding or dangerous driving, this means I am not responsible to use a gun!
And the terms of imprisonment for violating this act are ridiculus, Say I forget to renew my license after 10 years, and I am in possestion of an automatic weapon, (I have a small collection of weaponry) I could be facing 5 years in prison!
The classification of guns I accept, needing a license I accept, but not renewing it and having to undertake 10 hours of training on matters I am already trained in, the limits on criminal convictions, dangerous thiefs and murderous should not be allowed guns, but do not limit other people who have commited some minor offense. And also limiting the time spent in jail for violating this bill!
We need measures to stop the criminals, not the innocent free people who have the right to bear arms in self defense!
Gen. Haynes
So stupid law. I mean, i have used guns for my entire adult life. And i don't mean some small pistols, but M203s and even M2 heavy barrels. This law is totally moronic. With police and military funds so low we need to DEFEND OURSELVES!!!!
Because of P.G. Talbott's (Erc's) continious urging to join this party, I am... So I'm just hoping this is the right thread to do so...
Name: Bob Nolendorf
Name: Bob Nolendorf
OOC:
Hi, you'll have to add your character to the Citizen registry first, and after that welcome to the Conservative Coalition.
Hi, you'll have to add your character to the Citizen registry first, and after that welcome to the Conservative Coalition.
*Phone call from hospital*
Welcome to CC mr Nolendorf. Also, general info:I have applied for deputy MILE's post. Minister Vilms asked me few things and he is considering my offer.
Welcome to CC mr Nolendorf. Also, general info:I have applied for deputy MILE's post. Minister Vilms asked me few things and he is considering my offer.
Members of the CC!
I would like you to hear a proposal.
Captain Martinez and I both share similar views on the right to bear arms, and I feel the majority of the CC feel the same as this is one of the points of our platform. So Captain Martinez came up with the idea of a organisation that promotes the right to bear arms and to limit the amount of legislation and government control.
Unless there are any objections I would propose that the CC help fund this organisation, I of course shall provide a large ammount of funding myself.
Captain Martinez sugested that this organisation be named:
Eutopian Firearms Association (EFA)
The goal and aims of the EFA would be to:
1: Promote gun owners rights.
2: Campaign for responsible firearms use.
3: Campaign against unfair and unjust laws (or Proposed Laws)
It would be open to all gun owners and provde a centralised effort to promote the rights and limit government control.
Also this organisation would promote awareness on gun safety and organise fun days and shooting tournaments.
The shooting tournaments could be a national event, of course funds from the CC would help here and also we would accept donations and entry to the tournaments would be subject to fee's.
Of course if the majority of the CC members do not wish for this organisation to be afiliated with the CC then this organisation will be totally seperate, but I believe also this organisation could raise membership and support for the CC.
I leave this for the members to discuss
Brigadier General Haynes
I would like you to hear a proposal.
Captain Martinez and I both share similar views on the right to bear arms, and I feel the majority of the CC feel the same as this is one of the points of our platform. So Captain Martinez came up with the idea of a organisation that promotes the right to bear arms and to limit the amount of legislation and government control.
Unless there are any objections I would propose that the CC help fund this organisation, I of course shall provide a large ammount of funding myself.
Captain Martinez sugested that this organisation be named:
Eutopian Firearms Association (EFA)
The goal and aims of the EFA would be to:
1: Promote gun owners rights.
2: Campaign for responsible firearms use.
3: Campaign against unfair and unjust laws (or Proposed Laws)
It would be open to all gun owners and provde a centralised effort to promote the rights and limit government control.
Also this organisation would promote awareness on gun safety and organise fun days and shooting tournaments.
The shooting tournaments could be a national event, of course funds from the CC would help here and also we would accept donations and entry to the tournaments would be subject to fee's.
Of course if the majority of the CC members do not wish for this organisation to be afiliated with the CC then this organisation will be totally seperate, but I believe also this organisation could raise membership and support for the CC.
I leave this for the members to discuss
Brigadier General Haynes