Price or Quality??

[Mouts]

Ok, I guess some here are gonna dislike what I'm about to say but there's something I'm missing and I have a hard time getting the grasp on it...

Seems like there's such an outrage about the price of this game/simulation, but seriously is this the kind of game that you just play for 20-30 hours or are you gonna love it for years? (assuming the quality is great)

My point is that the HOI series is my favorite and one of the very few game that I play for years and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

So let's say that I play an average of 3 hours/weeks x 52 weeks/years x 7 years = 1092 hours

So for something that I plan to spend more than 1000 hours, I really don't care about spending 90$ instead of 40$.

I could understand if it was some kind of ''Call of Duty'' with a new version every year but that's far, very far from it...

There's a lot of things I wish HOI4 would simulate, but the price is really the last thing I care about.

 

[Nicolas I]

Paradox games are still by very, very, very far the cheapest entertainment I can find.

A single night out at restaurant is 50-100$. A single live show or theatre play is 50-100$. That is still fun and entertaining, with sometimes good memories.

But for that price I can get hundreds hours of fun playing Paradox games. The fun per $ ratio is unbeatable !

 

[Mouts]

The fun per $ ratio is unbeatable !

This!

 

[Maizel]

Ok, I guess some here are gonna dislike what I'm about to say but there's something I'm missing and I have a hard time getting the grasp on it...

Seems like there's such an outrage about the price of this game/simulation, but seriously is this the kind of game that you just play for 20-30 hours or are you gonna love it for years? (assuming the quality is great)

My point is that the HOI series is my favorite and one of the very few game that I play for years and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

So let's say that I play an average of 3 hours/weeks x 52 weeks/years x 7 years = 1092 hours

So for something that I plan to spend more than 1000 hours, I really don't care about spending 90$ instead of 40$.

I could understand if it was some kind of ''Call of Duty'' with a new version every year but that's far, very far from it...

There's a lot of things I wish HOI4 would simulate, but the price is really the last thing I care about.

How do you know you're going to play this for a 1000 hours? How can you plan to spend a 1000 hours in a game you haven;t played yet.

Maybe you don;t care about spending more money, but I think it is really unwise to spend money on expansions you know nothing about.

 

[Nicolas I]

Once you have played one hundred hours, the game has already fully paid itself even if you value it at 1$ an hour.

 

[Mouts]

How do you know you're going to play this for a 1000 hours? How can you plan to spend a 1000 hours in a game you haven;t played yet.

That's based on my previous game, I thought it was obvious so I didn't specify.

Maybe you don;t care about spending more money, but I think it is really unwise to spend money on expansions you know nothing about.

You probably misread, I wrote: ''(assuming the quality is great)'' which I underlined in my first post.

 

[Maizel]

That's based on my previous game, I thought it was obvious so I didn't specify.



You probably misread, I wrote: ''(assuming the quality is great)'' which I underlined in my first post.

Ahh yes, very sorry. I totally missed that line. Apologies. It's late. xD

Still though. Assuming the quality is great, I'd have no problem buying the DLC either. That just underlines the fact that the season pass, or any pre-order season passes, for that matter, requires you to purchase something before anything about it;s content or quality is known.

 

[SpartanV15]

This is probably a bad example or comparison that im about to make but i like to compare the price of games to food. Looks at it this way, you go to a restaurant and spend 40 dollars on a quality meal. Your satisfaction lasts for the duration you ate your meal and and probably a few hours more , thats it. I bought the Field Marshal edition and thats 89 dollars and i most likely will play for 100's of hours just like other Paradox titles. So i guess you can say spread out through all those hours the price will add up. Most likely a crappy comparison i made but whatever

 

[Mouts]

oh I didn't pre-order yet, I'm waiting to see reviews first to determine which version I'm gonna get, in other words how much I'm gonna support Paradox.

If reviews are somewhat disappointing, I'll probably get the cheapest, just to try.

But I didn't mention pre-order in my first post.

I'd be surprised if HOI4 is a total disaster...

 

[Maizel]

This is probably a bad example or comparison that im about to make but i like to compare the price of games to food. Looks at it this way, you go to a restaurant and spend 40 dollars on a quality meal. Your satisfaction lasts for the duration you ate your meal and and probably a few hours more , thats it. I bought the Field Marshal edition and thats 89 dollars and i most likely will play for 100's of hours just like other Paradox titles. So i guess you can say spread out through all those hours the price will add up. Most likely a crappy comparison i made but whatever

I get your point, but comparisons like these are always bad.

Some people do not spend 40 euro's on restaurants, but spend those 40 euros on a week's groceries instead. I think there are many, many people who actually have to be very picky about the games they buy.

If reviews are somewhat disappointing, I'll probably get the cheapest, just to try.

If you like the reviews, I'd advice you just to get the base game. Since the Base game reviews will tell you nothing about the quality of the DLC

I'd be surprised if HOI4 is a total disaster...

Oh yes, I very much doubt this will be the case.
It would be a maaaaajor bummer if it were.

 

[SpartanV15]

Yea i am an impulse buyer. Instead of weighing the options or waiting for reviews on a product what ever it may be i just get it and find out for myself, minor financial risk i took i guess you can say

 

[JerkyJerry]

Dollar per hour value is high with the HOI series, very high. The new MP system for the series is going to bring the game to a new level of enjoyment for thousands of folks who never played HOI multi-player in the past. This in addition to the SP will have most of us playing for easily 1k hours and more over the next 2 or 3 years? Longer? The cost per dollar for my entertainment dollar is extremely well spent on HIO4. The financial risk is just so very microscopic that it is barely worth even calling a risk.

 

[BBBD316]

Well I have 700 hours up on EU4, 470 on DH, 240 on CK2, 180 on HOI3 and 22 on Stellaris. This excludes all the pre-steam games.

So I am pretty confident in my purchase.

Come on guys revel in the joy that is a free market, you are free to pay or not. Where is the issue?

 

[Maizel]

Come on guys revel in the joy that is a free market, you are free to pay or not. Where is the issue?

The choice to buy or not does not have too much bearing on the quality of a product or the practices used when selling said product.

'buy it or not' is not the smackdown of all arguments when discussing these things.

 

[Nicolas I]

The choice to buy or not does not have too much bearing on the quality of a product or the practices used when selling said product. 'buy it or not' is not the smackdown of all arguments when discussing these things.

It's much more funny and productive to discuss about a product you won't buy and insist other people don't buy it either even if they want to...

 

[BBBD316]

You can make your choice on buying the product or not, but my purchase is based of my previous experiences with this publisher.

You can not deny me my right as a consumer to purchase something based on my own experiences.

If I get burned then maybe next time I won't, but on past history I feel confident with my choice.

 

[Maizel]

It's much more funny and productive to whine about a product you won't buy and insist other people don't buy it either even if they want to...

I can already tell that you are biased by your choice of words. 'Whine' ? Come on man, don;t stoop so low.

Also, I bought the game, and I am not persuiding people not to buy it.

I just said that the 'buy it or not' has no bearing on a discussion of quality or business practices.

Nice reading comprehension, though.

You can make your choice on buying the product or not, but my purchase is based of my previous experiences with this publisher.

You can not deny me my right as a consumer to purchase something based on my own experiences.

If I get burned then maybe next time I won't, but on past history I feel confident with my choice.

I can not do any of those things, you are right,

But it is funny you are bringing up people inability to deny you things, when you are basically telling people to stop criticizing, because they have the option to buy or not.

If anything, your line of argument is geared towards denying people something.

 

[Mouts]

telling people to stop criticizing

Be sure that it wasn't the idea I had when I created this thread.

The thing is that if I have.. I don't know.. let's just say a hundred concerns about HOI4, you can be sure that the price is at the very end of the list.

It just annoyed me when I see all the outrage about the price.

Quality/content > $.

 

[Nicolas I]

...Also, I bought the game, and I am not persuiding people not to buy it. I just said that the 'buy it or not' has no bearing on a discussion of quality or business practices....

Then, wouldn't not buying have been a more appropriate (and powerful) way to convey your disapproval of this business practice than words ?

Now that they have your money why would they change their "winning" practice ?

 

[Bridger15]

How do you know you're going to play this for a 1000 hours? How can you plan to spend a 1000 hours in a game you haven;t played yet.

Maybe you don;t care about spending more money, but I think it is really unwise to spend money on expansions you know nothing about.

Paradox has earned my trust with the quality of support they have shown their other games that I own (EU4 and CK2 specifically).