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We're not doing that great here in the States either. I mean unemployment, the real unemployment numbers (U-6) the DoL doesn't tabulate is rather staggering at 22% or 40-45 million people. More people are on one form of Welfare or another and its gone up over the past eight years. States and cities here are going bankrupt. Yes, you read that right. States and cities. Arizona for example was so broke that they had to sell their state capital buildings to private investors. The list goes on.

How we avoided this price increase while Canada didn't is beyond me. I mean people here just aren't buying stuff. Which, ya know, is kinda bad for a consumer driven system...
Oh, so that could be why you (by "you" I mean an American and an Australian in this thread) repeatedly think that a video game is a luxury item. "Game as luxury" is a totally puzzling concept for someone like me with 15-ish years of experience in Paradox gaming.
 

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How we avoided this price increase while Canada didn't is beyond me. I mean people here just aren't buying stuff. Which, ya know, is kinda bad for a consumer driven system...

You avoided the price hike for the same reason the Eurozone avoided it but Norway didn't. The price hike is against "minor" currencies. The "baseline" currencies didn't change because then the price hike would be called out for what it is - a straight increase. By only applying to "minor" currencies, one can pretend it is somehow about exchange rates or purchasing power.

That's obviously tosh as there were no price decreases, despite the fact that some economies have shrunk and purchasing powers diminished.

Quite how Paradox didn't predict a PR disaster for regional price hikes on a 3 year old game is beyond me.
 

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I just found out about this thing (I've been in an information vaccuum for some time) and I must say that this is extremely shady and greedy. Increasing the price of old games like this, particularly in lower income regions, is very poor business practice. I mean, this is some EA-level crap.

I won't stop playing Paradox games, but this will seriously affect my thought process when considering to buy future Paradox titles.

Sincerely, a customer
 

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Price increase for CK2 in UK and Russia. This game is over five years old. FIVE. 5! I don't know who is responsible for PR in Paradox, but damn... their office must be on fire right now.
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This is so stupid it baffles me that the brass at paradox collectively thought it was a good idea.

They could simply have increased the price of new games as they are released instead of jacking up the whole catalogue.
 

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Quite how Paradox didn't predict a PR disaster for regional price hikes on a 3 year old game is beyond me.

The worst part of this disaster is they made no announcement what so ever and let the community manager take the heat alone with no info to provide. This is where i would expect the CEO or Sales VP to jump in and defend / explain their move with actual info rather than PR-Speak.
 

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The worst part of this disaster is they made no announcement what so ever and let the community manager take the heat alone with no info to provide. This is where i would expect the CEO or Sales VP to jump in and defend / explain their move with actual info rather than PR-Speak.

Someone pointed out that they doubled the price in Russia... then released the Russia DLC.
*facepalm*
 

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Ok, I am getting this news just now as I am browsing through steam, I am in India and suddenly every product's price is doubled. I mean it basically has crippled my ability to buy at least any DLCs (endless and overpriced dlc being a different issue altogether).

I don't buy the purchasing power thing at all, I mean seriously who did the calculation? Things in India are supposed to be around 2.5 times cheaper (which includes wages/salary/income) than US (According to PPP), as it currently stands, without discount HOIIV is pricced at $40 in US while currently as around $25 in India but if we are going by the logic of ppp, shouldn't it be around $16? Which would had meant a price increase of about 20-25% and not this ridiculous 100%.

Not that there is a big market in India for Paradox games, so they are hardly going to pay attention to this region (which is understandable btw) but with this pricing and dlc policy I don't see any potential future either meanwhile whatever little fan base is here, we are indeed very very disappointed.
 

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I think the price increases are already affecting sales in Brazil. The Hearts of Iron and EU4 new dlcs are number 56 and 57 on the top sellers list of the Brazilian Steam Store at the moment , just above Age of Empires II. EU4, even with a 75% discount is number 43 and Hearts of Iron IV (50% off) is number 22.
 

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... Is this all because they went Public a while ago?

Wow - I didn't realise that... may well explain a few things.
 

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I don't complain about these a lot, I also defended the DLC policy to some degree in past. But I won't buy or even play paradox games anymore. All of my friends are thinking the same way, some of them even started to talk like a pirate with yarrrs and parrots and all. I don't really blame them, because i won't buy a game which costs that much... it is a considerable amount. It is the same reason why i stopped playing WoW, because Blizzard insists on billing in euros.

Don't also forget that there will be a silent majority that will just stop paying without saying anything. This happened before, you might think that whole pdox community consists of this forum, but i'd imagine that most of the players never really joined this forums. Maybe they have accounts yeah, but how much of the accounts have <10 messages? Just some bug reports and off they go. Why? They probably don't care about forums, or they are busy working or studying that they cannot afford the time. But they could afford the game. Some of them can't now, and some of remaining won't but now because it is too pricey.

Why would i buy more dlc? To get less and less content for higher prices?

We, my friends and I, loved pdox because games were affordable. It is not anymore. I cannot bring new players to you anymore pdox. You didn't seem to understand this in Victoria 2 either. Pops won't buy luxury needs if they have to cut money from buying life needs. That only happens in Victoria 2, not in real life.
 

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So I am just thinking I have all the games in wargame series from eugene and now that eugene in partnership with Paradox has released "Steel Division Normandy" which I wanted to get but won't now because of this price thing. Reflecting back the price difference now is ridiculous (at least for my region) compared to the price I had paid for past eugene games in wargame series.

Frankly it would had been better at least for me if Eugene had published this game on their own. I know harsh but true even though generally paradox games are amazing.
 

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I agree whole heartedly with this comment.

This (histroy simulation) is still a niche and developing market, unlike the more mature/developed genre, such as First person shooter, moba, etc.

We, longtime paradox fans, have both witnessed and actively participated in the growth of the studio/company/market/player base, and are quite sad to see all this loyalty, respect and potential growth squander by this sudden and rushed decision to hike the prices across the boards in less fortunate countries, countries where systemic corruption is rampant and economy has been stagnant for years.

By actively participating I mean purchasing half completed and sometimes bug-ridden games/dlcs on release or at all, helping the devs improve the games and also promoting the games to friends and others.

Hell, HOI4 still feels unfinished and rushed after 1 year of release. despite this, many bought PDX games and dlcs on release or sales just to support the studio.

On the other hand, the devs 've also been very kind to the community, listening to complaints and suggestions, then implemented them or fixed bugs for the games, and also answered the community.

Now fast forward to the present, when many of the longtime fans have already been upset with the constant strains of half finished, serevely over priced dlcs/base games, PDX raised prices in poor countries without warning or any valid reason, in total disregard for the finacial conditions their fans are in. I can see why many regard this as the final straw.

I'm from China which is also heavily influenced by this change. Due to language barrier, you dont see many Chinese arguing against this unannounced, ridiculous price increase in the forum. Personally, I applauded fellow Russian players work in rationally arguing against it. Thanks.

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I totally agree with your statement and fully support the gamers in the other countries (i am american) it`s a slap in the face to us loyal customers, who helped make this company and i no longer care for "PARADOX" policies and am no longer a fanboy, this company is just like all the rest, any good will they had is gone in my eyes. It is not like they were not making a good profit. shame, shame, shame.
 

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The worst part of this disaster is they made no announcement what so ever and let the community manager take the heat alone with no info to provide. This is where i would expect the CEO or Sales VP to jump in and defend / explain their move with actual info rather than PR-Speak.

EA all the way, i think they want a reputation like EA, i really do.
 

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Quite how Paradox didn't predict a PR disaster for regional price hikes on a 3 year old game is beyond me.

I wonder to what degree this is a major PR disaster. I haven't read about it anywhere besides here and reddit. Though to be fair I only visit a limited amount of gaming news sites/blogs.
 
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