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We understand that this isn't ideal and some markets have seen a greater increase than others but you need to understand that this isn't something we've just done willy nilly, it's a process that has been in the works for a long time. We've not adjusted our prices for several years and it was time for us to do so.

Again, we know this isn't the news you want, alas it is what what it is and I'm afraid it's here to stay.

This is not ideal for anyone, not for consumers and for Paradox. I know you have no time to read this but I have to write this anyway.

Paradox bussiness model relies heavily on sale of DLCs. You make a game and then you keep selling expansions for next decade or so. In the end if someone bought all of the expansions at once it would cost him hundreds of dollars. BUT since individual DLC's are relatively cheap you can get away with it. Because no one will purchase all DLCs at once and see the price tag.

Instead they will buy one expansion, and another few weeks later and so on. But if you raise prices too much you get to point where people no longer see your DLC's as cheap and instead of buying one each month, they start buying them once every six months. Since they will feel like it's a large purchase and they need think about it.

Now I don't think you are there yet, except for Brazil and Russia, but if you get there your revenue will go down and eventually so will your profits, because first thing your accountants will recommend are cuts and layoffs and those almost never work.

Please think about this.
 
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To think I considered this company to be fan oriented. That they understood what the true deal was: getting support from the people all over the world wanting to play their game. Turns out it's all about a quick cash grab on those who can afford to pay. Feels like someone spat in my face. There's no coming back from this, Paradox, I hope you make enough money from this to make up for all the disappointed long term fans.

That is how i feel, even tho i am from the US, i still feel for those countries with less. As a fan who supported this company, i am ashamed of "PARADOX". I would like to exercise my purchasing power in the future as well.
 
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Paradox bussiness model relies heavily on sale of DLCs. You make a game and then you keep selling expansions for next decade or so. In the end if someone bought all of the expansions at once it would cost him hundreds of dollars. BUT since individual DLC's are relatively cheap you can get away with it. Because no one will purchase all DLCs at once and see the price tag.

Instead they will buy one expansion, and another few weeks later and so on. But if you raise prices too much you get to point where people no longer see your DLC's as cheap and instead of buying one each month, they start buying them once every six months. Since they will feel like it's a large purchase and they need think about it.

Now I don't think you are there yet, except for Brazil and Russia, but if you get there your revenue will go down and eventually so will your profits, because first thing your accountants will recommend are cuts and layoffs and those almost never work.

I agree with you.

I apologize if I sounded a bit harsh. It s just a bit too disappointed for me when I have tried actively promoting PDX products among my friends for a long time.

The other thing I have to add is we, paradox fans, have already accepted that PDX dlcs generally dont have much in its contents, even if grudgingly, esp. now with eu4 dlc, you have both the main dlc like The mandates of heaven and its content pack which should be included in the dlc. Let's be honest, content-wise, it would take at least 3 or 4 eu4 DLC to make it into a normal expansion like that of EU3 or other more normal and less greedy game like Witcher 3(Blood and Wine cost about 60% of the base game), Fallout: New Vegas(all their main dlcs are quite worth it), Civ 5(BNW and GK cost about the same of the same game), or even Pillars of Eternity, a game PDX publishes and couldnt escape the fate of price hiking. Each part of White March of PoE cost about 52% of the base game. And we can all agree these are only a few examples of how expansion should be properly done.

Current pricing at steam
Witcher 3: CNY 127
Witcher 3: Blood and Wine CNY 72
Hearts of Stone CNY 36
Expansion Pass CNY 78

Civ 5, GK, BNW : each at CNY 95
Pillars of Eternity: CNY 185 (originally CNY 122 before yesterday, it suffers since PDX published it, a 51% increase)
Both White March together: CNY 103 (originally CNY 78 before yesterday)
Each part individually: CNY 62 (originally CNY 48 before yesterday)

Now, however with EU4, if we add the least 3 essential dlcs together, the price would now go to CNY 246. if we add the accompanying Content Pack, it would go to CNY 345. Now if we add the least 4 together, it would go to CNY 454. I just dont find any way to justify this cost when I try to recommend your games to my friends, or even any justification for myself to continue any PDX product purchase on release or at all.

3 latest EU4 DLC combined without Content Pack: CNY 246 (originally CNY 204). 3 latest EU4 DLC with its CP: CNY 345 (originally CNY 291)
4 latest EU4 DLC combined without Content Pack: CNY 328 (originally CNY 272). 4 latest EU4 DLC with its CP: CNY 454 (originally CNY 384)

In short, I've put up with the absurd DLC policy for too long, and now the absudity just got worse.
 
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Now this is just disappointing. I wonder how this will affect the future DLC pricing in the regions.
Probably increased as well. I know that in the UK, Cities Skylines: Mass Transit was released yesterday with a £0.50 increase on the original preorder price.
 
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purchasing power ? ridiculous. nah. Actually I don't care what happened. But your response let me feel what I complained is correct. An old saying -- Brain is pretty nice, sadly you threw it.
EU4 is my first game of paradox, but also the last.
 
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So in Norway prices seems to be increased only slightly. Some editions like Stellaris basic not at all. Seems to be in the area of 1-2 dollar equivalent mostly. Seeing as we have had no price increase on PDS games for what? A decade? This is not bad. I fully understand it. Although for poorer regions the price probably shouldn't have been increased.

Food for thought:

Stellaris basic edition cost 270 NOK when released. Still do actually. Most new games on Steam at release cost 499 or more.
 
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I'm still going to buy most of the stuff that interests me on day one, but man, talk about a shitty way to kill off the goodwill you accumulated over the years.

In the meantime, Larian gives away free copies of D:OS's remaster to anyone who owned the original, offers ridiculously underpriced rewards in their Kickstarter for D:OS2, and to a certain point democratizes the development of their games. Now, that is a consumer-friendly development studio.
 
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I can understand the need to keep up with inflation, but this does feel opposite to what one would expect a company to do with pricing, particularly for older content.

I think pricing would be better suited to follow along with what Blizzard has done for World of Warcraft. It also has a base game and several expansions. Their new expansions are set at full price and the older ones gets subsequently discounted more and more as new content is released and finally - The old expansions get blended into the base game! The company gets full price when it's new, but you don't suffocate people who are late to the party or can't afford full price.

How many customers do you think wanted to buy EU4 but saw the Steam pricing for everything and were scared off? Looking at the page for EU4 the Downloadable Content section shows me:
CDN$ 353.05

Add all DLC to Cart

If I was a new player to the franchise, my eyes would widen and I'd probably second guess any decision to purchase. I've seen reddit threads where a new customer is debating a purchase but is absolutely overwhelmed with "What DLC do I need? I can't justify paying for all of it."

As this thread has shown, many people here around the world don't have the disposable income to drop on DLC's over and over but they want to support the company rather than go elsewhere.

For what it's worth, I've already skipped out on buying EUIV: Rights of Man and EUIV: Mandate of Heaven because they're $25.99CAD each and I don't feel that I'm getting $50 dollars worth of content for both of them. If they were 12.99 each, I'd have likely bought both of them at full price. I'm also considering forgoing my purchase of HOI4: Death or Dishonor and either waiting for the summer sale or not buying it at all. I can only "vote with my wallet" and so I have to put my foot down.
 
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I don't even know if I'm affected, but this is probably the most stupid thing you've done, on top of a DLC policy that, let's be honest, is excessive and frequently overpriced. You better know what you're doing.
 
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This is upsetting. I already had to cut out my gaming budget due to the economic troubles in my country and now we get a raise in prices.

Its a shame, I am not even upset. I guess that when you are from a poor country you just learn that you are not as valuable...

Thanks for all its worth, I really enjoyed the games but I fear I will not be able to purchase them anymore. Should just move to a more "valuable" country.
 
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I noticed Rainbow Six Siege by Ubisoft is now £12.99 and it's just over a year old, had free Expansions, compare that with Hearts of Iron III and it's what nearly 10 years old? and triple the price?

Doesn't make sense to me.
Well, a bad example is contagious, Ubisoft joins "Increased purchasing power" party. Apparently, Russia and other CIS countries are now the richest in the world, yay!

150% increase for a game from 2012 (600 ₽ -> 1500 ₽ )

https://steamdb.info/app/220240/

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