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holy hell, is this what society has come to? That a game developer can't just code in "M+F+kids" for a "family" in a city building game? That they literally need to code "M+F+Kids 98%" and "M+M .5%" and "F+F .5%" and "2F+2M .1%" and "transvestiteM + F .2%" and "ordinance to allow gay marriage?" "ordinance to allow civil unions" "ordinance to allow polygamy" etc.. etc.. etc.. etc.. etc.. etc.. etc... Screw this politically correct bullcrap and just make a game!!!

That this would even be a discussion and issue at CO / Paradox has made me lose a little faith in their development process.

Can't people be tolerant without having to go the extra mile to showcase their tolerance every chance they get?????
What the hell are you going on about. Why have "people" at all? Dots would be just fine wouldn't it? Why do they have to code male AND female? Why not just code unspecified gender. Right, because that's not realistic. Gay people exist whether you like it or not.
 

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holy hell, is this what society has come to? That a game developer can't just code in "M+F+kids" for a "family" in a city building game? That they literally need to code "M+F+Kids 98%" and "M+M .5%" and "F+F .5%" and "2F+2M .1%" and "transvestiteM + F .2%" and "ordinance to allow gay marriage?" "ordinance to allow civil unions" "ordinance to allow polygamy" etc.. etc.. etc.. etc.. etc.. etc.. etc... Screw this politically correct bullcrap and just make a game!!!

That this would even be a discussion and issue at CO / Paradox has made me lose a little faith in their development process.

Can't people be tolerant without having to go the extra mile to showcase their tolerance every chance they get?????

Yeah, there is more important stuff to do. *cough* bigger farms etc.
 

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What the hell are you going on about. Why have "people" at all? Dots would be just fine wouldn't it? Why do they have to code male AND female? Why not just code unspecified gender. Right, because that's not realistic. Gay people exist whether you like it or not.
Do you understand that it has nothing to do with gays per se? It's about the fact that Paradox, unlike Warhorse Studio, doesn't know or, in my opinion, chooses to be ignorant about, how to handle either SJWs or tradcons, so they decide to either censor or cut the "controversial" content that might "offend" someone's "feelings". There is a large chunk of gamers here, who are neither, and we don't like either the devs being forced to remove stuff or the publisher pander to these people. We simply want to play the fcking game being developed to its full extent, as originally intended by the devs.
 
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There is a large chunk of gamers here, who are neither, and we don't like either the devs being forced to remove stuff or the publisher pander to these people. We simply want to play the fcking game being developed to its full extent, as originally intended by the devs.

This.
It's almost a matter of principle.
 

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It's certainly a policy that I would never have thought of, but first reading it in this thread I thought 'that's pretty cool' not because I'm anti-homo (i'm quite the opposite..Darling), but because it gave an insight in to the level of control one can exercise over their city. Other policies mentioned here would also throw an interesting dynamic in to the game. Got a crime policy? Enact a guy ban, enforce a curfew, zero-tolerance policy, mandatory punishments. Then see the overall effect on growth, jobs, public attitudes.

But hearing that paradox has said, 'scrap them' makes me wonder what other elements that add depth and complexity to the simulation, will also be removed.
The feedback from the videos released so far has been (IMO) very positive, and so long as the game is far more functional than CIM2, then why not include as many tweaks as possible.
Yeh you could argue that it's not fair or conducive to equal opportunities, but demolishing someone's house at a whim because you want to put a freeway in isn't fair either.
The world we rule isn't a democracy, they're minions who will do as we ask and pay the tax rate we tweak with on a daily basis without judicial oversight or community consultation.
Gay marriage ordinances should be included as part of our rule.
 

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Do you understand that it has nothing to do with gays per se? It's about the fact that Paradox, unlike Warhorse Studio, doesn't know or, in my opinion, chooses to be ignorant about, how to handle either SJWs or tradcons, so they decide to either censor or cut the "controversial" content that might "offend" someone's "feelings". There is a large chunk of gamers here, who are neither, and we don't like either the devs being forced to remove stuff or the publisher pander to these people. We simply want to play the fcking game being developed to its full extent, as originally intended by the devs.
The opinion you just posted is exactly the OPPOSITE of what I was responding to. And no-one is being "forced" to do anything to "pander", stop using this ridiculous language. Paradox just feel it would be best not to include that option from a business or gameplay standpoint and I happen to agree that it's a bad idea for them to include it. I don't class myself as either of the things you just mentioned, and I still think it's a bad idea to include this in the game.
 
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The opinion you just posted is exactly the OPPOSITE of what I was responding to. And no-one is being "forced" to do anything to "pander", stop using this ridiculous language. Paradox just feel it would be best not to include that option from a business or gameplay standpoint and I happen to agree that it's a bad idea for them to include it. I don't class myself as either of the things you just mentioned, and I still think it's a bad idea to include this in the game.

The very mention of it and this thread shows why it's a bad idea.

1. It's a distraction
2. It's unnecessarily diversive
3. It's gameplay effects would be debatable
 

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The very mention of it and this thread shows why it's a bad idea.

1. It's a distraction
2. It's unnecessarily diversive
3. It's gameplay effects would be debatable
Exactly. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I necessarily think that the blanket ban on "political" decisions is a good idea either, that seems overly broad and it would be a concern if they were cutting legitimate content, but I think in this instance that we know about it's very much a good idea to not include it. As I understand it, the policy aspect of the game will be quite moddable, so maybe that played into paradox's decision, they thought they might as well not stir up pointless controversy and allow modders to create the politically sensitive topics.
 

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The opinion you just posted is exactly the OPPOSITE of what I was responding to. And no-one is being "forced" to do anything to "pander", stop using this ridiculous language. Paradox just feel it would be best not to include that option from a business or gameplay standpoint and I happen to agree that it's a bad idea for them to include it. I don't class myself as either of the things you just mentioned, and I still think it's a bad idea to include this in the game.

When a publisher "asks" you to remove something, it doesn't imply having a choice. You either do it or have a problem.
It's not ridiculous language and no, I will not stop using it. Especially after Paradox have basically insulted their male fan-base on facebook, when they posted EUIV T-shirt with a girl with their "friendly reminder". At that point I was wondering what might come further.

"Paradox just feel it would be best not to include that option from a business or gameplay standpoint and I happen to agree that it's a bad idea for them to include it."

First off, someone's feelings are not the argument. Second, where's the proof to that? I want to know exactly why Paradox think it'd be better to remove some stuff from the game. The argument that it creates "buzz", or offending someone's feelings and doesn't make goody-feelings atmosphere doesn't count.

This.
It's almost a matter of principle.
Agreed. It's a shame that it has to be said outloud.
 

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Hi guys!

I wanted to make a few things clear.

The "Political Policies" category of Cities: Skylines contained the following: "Ban same sex marriages", "The rights to bear guns" and "Ban alligators". These were there for testing purposes only, and we found them to not work out in the game. They simply added nothing to the gameplay value. The decision to remove the Political policies was made before this preview was made live, and the opinions expressed in this thread has not impacted our decisions in the slightest.

And for the record: Paradox Interactive and Colossal Order supports http://diversi.nu/petition/ and everyones right to be what they want without harassment or persecution.
Our forum rules

Thank you for your interest in Cities: Skylines! The work to deliver the best city builder game ever continues!
 

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Gay people exist whether you like it or not.

So do female and male cows, and so do askew stop signs, and hermaphrodites and serial killers. Just because Gay people "exist" doesn't mean they need to be modeled in a city builder ffs. If this was a huge company and they were getting to that level of detail it would be cool, but they are obviously making cuts all over the place and you are being a completely politically correct hack if you think representing gay people in this game is at all any sort of priority.
 

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Indeed I should have specified politically controversial policies, and these really don't bring anything to the gameplay itself. The artists are a bit bummed out they won't be modelling armed bears though :D

Happy holidays to each and everyone of you!
 

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  • Magicka
  • Majesty 2
  • Majesty 2 Collection
  • For The Glory
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Naval War: Arctic Circle
  • Europa Universalis IV: Res Publica
  • Victoria: Revolutions
  • Rome Gold
  • Semper Fi
  • Ship Simulator Extremes
  • Sword of the Stars
  • Sword of the Stars II
  • Teleglitch: Die More Edition
  • Starvoid
  • Crusader Kings II: Sword of Islam
  • Ancient Space
  • Arsenal of Democracy
  • Cities in Motion
  • Cities in Motion 2
  • Crusader Kings II
  • Crusader Kings II: Charlemagne
  • Crusader Kings II: Legacy of Rome
  • Crusader Kings II: The Old Gods
  • Crusader Kings II: Rajas of India
  • Crusader Kings II: The Republic
  • Crusader Kings II: Sons of Abraham
  • Crusader Kings II: Sunset Invasion
  • A Game of Dwarves
  • Commander: Conquest of the Americas
  • Darkest Hour
  • Deus Vult
  • Dungeonland
  • Europa Universalis III
  • Europa Universalis III Complete
  • Divine Wind
  • The Showdown Effect
  • Europa Universalis IV: Conquest of Paradise
  • Europa Universalis IV: Wealth of Nations
  • Europa Universalis IV: Call to arms event
Okay. I see that my post did not change the course of this thread. This is a forum about an upcoming city builder game, not an arena for the same sex marriage debate. Thank you!
 
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